How Much Does York Owe in child Support?

[CoUrTnEy]

What does it have to do with the message?? It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Ever heard the saying "Consider the source" or to take someones words "with a grain of salt" ? That is something one should always do. Are you going to trust a crack head to give an honest answer when you ask "Are drugs bad for you?" (I certainly hope you wouldn't). You have to consider whether or not the source has something to gain by being dishonest .. You have to decide if it is possible for one to have alterior motives - money, sex, etc. As far as prophets go - there has been one and only one that was perfect - Jesus Christ. Period.

Nehisi said:

I am trying to think 'yall, but I don't recall any prophets that were true to the bone. Maybe it is a man thang. Maybe he is just Hue-man. I conscentrate on the message of truth that is sent through him. There is no faith in man!!! Doc was the first to say "God is a Woman". He took us all the way back to our roots. Our real roots. I am not saying what he has done pertaining to his children is not wrong. I am not trying to make any excuses for him being a dead beat Father. I am just saying, what that got to do with the Message?
When I go to website U.N.N.M., I read conflicting stories to the allegations that I read here. Did he put a gun to their heads to make them stay? Did he put them in a trance? Because they seem like a very happy family that truly miss BaBa. What he is going through is what he prepared us for. We should check out the "STRENGTHS" in him during this journey, not his weaknesses which we all have.

I don't know, maybe there is alot of perfectionists on this tread. I ain't skerd!!

[CoUrTnEy]

Brainwashing.. it's not unheard of and obviously the case in this situation. I think there are a couple here that actually lived on the land that can describe it for you better than I. Also, you can't say what you might've done if you were never there. You may have reacted in just the same way.

Nehisi said:

Did he put a gun to their heads to make them stay? Did he put them in a trance? Because they seem like a very happy family that truly miss BaBa.

[1dell]

Thats extremely true Courtney. Just as we look at the pasts and presents of our President elects. We want to know what manner of men they are so we look at their track records. Whats coming out of their mouths. What they have done and what might their motives be.

You can tell a tree by the fruit it bares. The greatest deceivers lace their lies with some truth as to draw in the masses. And what we find is that many of the things york has taught either can't be proven, were plagiarized from other authors, or just out right lies. If credit bureaus are going to say I am not credible because of the way I conduct my affairs. Then York's is not exempted. The agencies in this world judge you by your actions - The fruits you bare.

As far as listening to the Messenger. Heck york aint the only messenger out there. There are others moor accurate than him who have been out longer than him.

You cannot let sit here and make a criminal out to be a saint. I am sure Charles Manson has some pretty enlightening things to say. But that don't mean we follow him.

Leaders should be flawless and blameless thats the standard they should live up. How does one look when they teach you not to do something yet they do the very same thing? It's like a judge sending you to jail from prostitution when he himself moonlights as a male prostitute. See the Judge uses a law as a measuring stick. He did not author the law, he just studied it and uses it as a measure by which he should execute judgments. Same with York, he is not the progenitor of this information. Anyone can find this info. He just marketed it for his own purposes. Perhaps his intentions were pure in the beginning. But I am sure just like celebrities who reach stardom, once you see people worshipping you and treating you like you are a god, then that has an affect on the pscyhology of a person. They start to become haughty and greedy.

So Like I said, york can't teach me ANYTHING about being a father until he starts taking care of his own kids. Otherwise he is just regurgitating information he has heard somewhere else. Now the information remains credible but york as a vessel isn't. But then you might ask, 1dell doesn't that prove my point that we should not pay attention to the messenger just the message? Not not necessarily. I say that because Those who have the GREATEST power in teaching and conveying their message are those who walk the path of their own teachings. Those who teach and don't do lack a certain savvy in their teachings. They lack the conviction and those who are able to discern know the difference. I am sit and listen to a man and look at his body language and listen to the tones in his voice and tell whether he is practicing what he preaches. There would be since or urgency and sincerity to what he says. He will not force anything on you or belittle you for not accepting his views. He knows just like he had to learn you too must and WILL learn by experience.

CoUrTnEy said:

What does it have to do with the message?? It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Ever heard the saying "Consider the source" or to take someones words "with a grain of salt" ? That is something one should always do. Are you going to trust a crack head to give an honest answer when you ask "Are drugs bad for you?" (I certainly hope you wouldn't). You have to consider whether or not the source has something to gain by being dishonest .. You have to decide if it is possible for one to have alterior motives - money, sex, etc. As far as prophets go - there has been one and only one that was perfect - Jesus Christ. Period.

[Master-9]

1dell said:

Thats extremely true Courtney. Just as we look at the pasts and presents of our President elects. We want to know what manner of men they are so we look at their track records. Whats coming out of their mouths. What they have done and what might their motives be.

You can tell a tree by the fruit it bares. The greatest deceivers lace their lies with some truth as to draw in the masses. And what we find is that many of the things york has taught either can't be proven, were plagiarized from other authors, or just out right lies. If credit bureaus are going to say I am not credible because of the way I conduct my affairs. Then York's is not exempted. The agencies in this world judge you by your actions - The fruits you bare.

As far as listening to the Messenger. Heck york aint the only messenger out there. There are others moor accurate than him who have been out longer than him.

You cannot let sit here and make a criminal out to be a saint. I am sure Charles Manson has some pretty enlightening things to say. But that don't mean we follow him.

Leaders should be flawless and blameless thats the standard they should live up. How does one look when they teach you not to do something yet they do the very same thing? It's like a judge sending you to jail from prostitution when he himself moonlights as a male prostitute. See the Judge uses a law as a measuring stick. He did not author the law, he just studied it and uses it as a measure by which he should execute judgments. Same with York, he is not the progenitor of this information. Anyone can find this info. He just marketed it for his own purposes. Perhaps his intentions were pure in the beginning. But I am sure just like celebrities who reach stardom, once you see people worshipping you and treating you like you are a god, then that has an affect on the pscyhology of a person. They start to become haughty and greedy.

So Like I said, york can't teach me ANYTHING about being a father until he starts taking care of his own kids. Otherwise he is just regurgitating information he has heard somewhere else. Now the information remains credible but york as a vessel isn't. But then you might ask, 1dell doesn't that prove my point that we should not pay attention to the messenger just the message? Not not necessarily. I say that because Those who have the GREATEST power in teaching and conveying their message are those who walk the path of their own teachings. Those who teach and don't do lack a certain savvy in their teachings. They lack the conviction and those who are able to discern know the difference. I am sit and listen to a man and look at his body language and listen to the tones in his voice and tell whether he is practicing what he preaches. There would be since or urgency and sincerity to what he says. He will not force anything on you or belittle you for not accepting his views. He knows just like he had to learn you too must and WILL learn by experience.

Master York has a greater job to do than you 1dell, he has to bring in the seven thunders

[Master-9]

CoUrTnEy said:

As far as prophets go - there has been one and only one that was perfect - Jesus Christ. Period.

Sorry to burst your fake bubble, but the socalled man name Jesus(yashua) was far from perfect. Remember he was baptised for the remission of his sins. Remember him saying no one is good but the father(NOT EVEN HIM).

York is our savior for this day in time, you can accept him like they did 2000 years ago or reject him like peter

[Master-9]

1dell said:

Leaders should be flawless and blameless thats the standard they should live up.

Are you a leader 1dell?

[CoUrTnEy]

He was without sin. His baptism was a symbol. Please see the below for the full explanation why he was baptised:

Why was Jesus Baptized?


What is baptism? Baptism is the washing with water in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. It signifies and seals our ingrafting into Christ and partaking of the benefits of the covenant of Grace and our engagement to be His.
Quite simply, Jesus was baptized so he could enter into the Melchizedek priesthood so He could be the High Priest and offer Himself as a sacrifice for our sins.
In Matthew 3:13-15 it says, "Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. But John tried to deter him, saying, iI need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?' Jesus replied, 'Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.'" Jesus got baptized to fulfill all righteousness.
Exodus 29:1-7, "This is what you are to do to consecrate them, so they may serve me as priests: Take a young bull and two rams without defect. And from fine wheat flour, without yeast, make bread, and cakes mixed with oil, and wafers spread with oil. Put them in a basket and present them in it -- along with the bull and the two rams. Then bring Aaron and his sons to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and wash them with water. Take the garments and dress Aaron with the tunic, the robe of the ephod, the ephod itself and the breast piece. Fasten the ephod on him by its skillfully woven waistband. Put the turban on his head and attach the sacred diadem to the turban. Take the anointing oil and anoint him by pouring it on his head."
Oil is a type of the Holy Spirit: "But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth...As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit -- just as it has taught you, remain in him," (1 John 2:20,27).
The Holy Spirit descended from heaven as a dove and rested upon Jesus (Matt. 3:16).
Jesus was baptized because He had to fulfill the legal requirements for entering into the priesthood. He was priest after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 5:8-10; 6:20). Priests offered sacrifice to God on behalf of the people. Jesus became a sacrifice for our sin (1 Pet. 2:24; 2 Cor. 5:21) in His role as priest.
To be consecrated as a priest, He had to be:
- washed with water (Lev. 8:6; Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:16).
- Anointed with oil (Lev. 8:12; Exodus 29:7; Matt. 3:16).
Both of these were bestowed upon Jesus at His baptism.
Additionally, He may have needed to be 30 years old - (Num. 4:3)


Exodus 29:1 - "This is what you are to do to consecrate them, so they may serve me as priests: Take a young bull and two rams without defect."
Exodus 29:4 - "Then bring Aaron and his sons to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and wash them with water."
Exodus 29:7 - "Take the anointing oil and anoint him by pouring it on his head."


"Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets," (Amos 3:7).

York may be your savior - but he certainly isn't mine. As I have said time and time again - York couldn't touch a hair on Jesus' head with a ten foot pole. Someday you will realize this and repent of such an unequal comparison.

Master-9 said:

Sorry to burst your fake bubble, but the socalled man name Jesus(yashua) was far from perfect. Remember he was baptised for the remission of his sins. Remember him saying no one is good but the father(NOT EVEN HIM).

York is our savior for this day in time, you can accept him like they did 2000 years ago or reject him like peter

[CoUrTnEy]

Also, Jesus was God incarnate - so yes He was perfect.

Jesus said the Father was greater than He not because Jesus is not God, but because Jesus was also a man and as a man he was in a lower position. He was ". . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . ." (Heb. 2:9). Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus "emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men . . ."
Jesus has two natures. Jesus was not denying that He was God. He was merely acknowledging the fact that He was also a man. Jesus is both God and man. As a man, he was in a lesser position than the Father. He had added to Himself human nature (Col. 2:9). He became a man to die for people.
A comparison can be found in the marriage relationship. Biblically, a husband is greater in position and authority than his wife. But, he is no different in nature and he is not better than she. They share the same nature, being human, and they work together by love.
So, Jesus was not denying that He was God. He was simply acknowledging that He was also a man and as a man, he was subject to the laws of God so that He might redeem those who were under the law; namely, sinners (Gal. 4:4-5).

But Jesus is not the issue in this thread - or even in this forum. York is. The fact is he (and his followers) purport that he is the Savior. If so then he should be able to "practice what he preaches" - and he has done exactly the opposite more than once. Besides ALL THAT, surely the least a savior could do is take care of his own flesh and blood. But instead, York has allowed them to live in less than human conditions and treated them unequally. This is something he will have to explain to God when judgement day comes.

A REAL TRUE LEADER (SAVIOR) SHOULD NOT ONLY PRACTICE WHAT HE PREACHES - BUT PERSONIFY IT

[Nehisi]

Master-9 said:

Are you a leader 1dell?

YEH!!!

[ELTRUTH]

Nehisi said:

I am trying to think 'yall, but I don't recall any prophets that were true to the bone. Maybe it is a man thang. Maybe he is just Hue-man. I conscentrate on the message of truth that is sent through him. There is no faith in man!!! Doc was the first to say "God is a Woman". He took us all the way back to our roots. Our real roots. I am not saying what he has done pertaining to his children is not wrong. I am not trying to make any excuses for him being a dead beat Father. I am just saying, what that got to do with the Message?
When I go to website U.N.N.M., I read conflicting stories to the allegations that I read here. Did he put a gun to their heads to make them stay? Did he put them in a trance? Because they seem like a very happy family that truly miss BaBa. What he is going through is what he prepared us for. We should check out the "STRENGTHS" in him during this journey, not his weaknesses which we all have.

I don't know, maybe there is alot of perfectionists on this tread. I ain't skerd!!

how can u go by the unnm website when they took over a MONTH to update with the january trial? enought time for them to situate what ever lies they was going to put together. they DID say they had a TAPED confession of jacob- however otehr video and audio tapes are there - how come not that one IF they REALLY had it? what message of HIS- not plagerized, stolen, or souped up- that is more IMPORTANT and holds MORE weight than him being a dead beat dad, a liar, a con artists, a ADMITTED and CONVICTED child molester, a THEIF- becasue not only did he used to BRAG about all the stuff they used to steal back in the day for the community- he TAKES peoples HARD earned money and POCKETS it. have not only HIS children but children of other families who were working hard for him in the sake of belief and nuwaubu - living in houses FILLED with OVERFLOWING feces? people without BASIC nessesaties as simple as a maxi pad? people over crowded in double wide messed up trailers or barns converted into housing for 2- as many as 75 would occupy those places- in the sake of being 'faithfull' when u can go and PICK up a book that he wrote almost VERBATIM- gives NO CREDIT to the REAL author- but LIES to the congregation and says HE is the author. who STOLE symbols and pictures from masonic text- to the point were they threatned to SUE- that is why the application for aeo cover CHANGED over 5 years ago. yet he will stand before u and cry - the 'white' man stole from me. no one is saying ANYONES perfect- yet he is FULL of lies, and even when he TELLS the truth- u pick and choose that he is under duress- he said from JANUARY that he would withdraw the guilty plea HE entered in the state case - becasue he was 'under duress' yet to date he has not? why? at this point- what would he REALLY have to loose? he plead guilty to about 78 counts out of the 200- of CHILD MOLESTATION, and AGREVATED child molestation- - so what about that? and when u have certain control over a people- u almost wont even have to put a litteral GUN to their head- but he DID THREATEN people- habiba - who he was trying to BRIBE to be his witness- when she wasked to leave and he said no- he BEAT HER UP IN ATHENS!!!!- people their SAW her with bruises and black & blue marks (even thought he TRIED to hide her upstairs afterwards) - so NO he didnt put a gun to her head- but that is just ONE example of him using FORCE PHYSICALLY and sometimes it was mental and VERBAL force. threats, scare tactics, etc etc. even on the unnm- anyone who posted anything different from what they are trying to convey and paint- they call them names, delete it, block their ip, or just rearage the website and have everyone reregister so THEY can pick and choose who writes on their- its not like here were people can state differnt things and we talk/argue/debate about it. unnm is just onesided- and its THEIR side of what they WANT u to hear and belive. but ANYONE could have gone to the court house and sat and LISTEN to the trail with their OWN ears and watch the monitor with their OWN eyes and make their OWN judgement. people could have come to court the day HE himself ADMITTED to the crimes done- but then he didnt want people their that is why every OTHER trail/court date was advertised but that one.

[ELTRUTH]

Master-9 said:

Sorry to burst your fake bubble, but the socalled man name Jesus(yashua) was far from perfect. Remember he was baptised for the remission of his sins. Remember him saying no one is good but the father(NOT EVEN HIM).

York is our savior for this day in time, you can accept him like they did 2000 years ago or reject him like peter

so wait!?!?! is he jesus... AGAIN!?!?! first he says he is, then he says hes not-which is it?

(im not targeting u m9- ANYONE - PLEASE feel free to answer that question )

[1dell]

Bring the 7 thunders? Well he should have busy himself with that rather than pulling down little girls and boys pants and molesting them. unless that some how is instrumental in bringing forth the 7 thunders. And unless he is working for the devil, pulling down little kids pants and molesting them is not a requirement for bringing the 7 thunders. And why is that necessary is beyond me.

And since he is incarcerated, how will he do it now?

Master-9 said:

Master York has a greater job to do than you 1dell, he has to bring in the seven thunders

[1dell]

Dude, this is where moor study is required. Because Ishua wasn't baptized for the remission of sins. He took the Mikwah because "it was for him to fulfill all manner of righteousness" If you studied the mikwah it was a necessary requirement for priesthood. Not to wash away sin but as an initiation into the Priesthood right. IHukhanan was a Levite who better to goto to have a mikwah/immersion/baptizm performed by.

The Mikwah/Baptizm didn't start with John, it can be read about waaayyy back in the book of Shimot/Exodus.

But then again, are you familiar with what is Hebraicly perfect?

Master-9 said:

Sorry to burst your fake bubble, but the socalled man name Jesus(yashua) was far from perfect. Remember he was baptised for the remission of his sins. Remember him saying no one is good but the father(NOT EVEN HIM).

York is our savior for this day in time, you can accept him like they did 2000 years ago or reject him like peter

[1dell]

I am a leader, In some capacities yes. RE ask that question and ask if I am a leader of thousands of people who depend on me for their very salvation the way nuwaubians did to york and I will say no and I will say apples and oranges. I lead my household big difference than leading a cult of thousands of people worldwide. One's responsibilities is magnified above the other.

Master-9 said:

Are you a leader 1dell?

[Master-9]

1dell said:

I am a leader, In some capacities yes. RE ask that question and ask if I am a leader of thousands of people who depend on me for their very salvation the way nuwaubians did to york and I will say no and I will say apples and oranges. I lead my household big difference than leading a cult of thousands of people worldwide. One's responsibilities is magnified above the other.

We are not a cult, you are insulting the intelligents of 1,000 of nuwaubians to say we apart of something that causes harm.

If you haven't walk in his(York) shoes please leave your views on him to yourself