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Post by BalkisII on Oct 17, 2004 0:13:45 GMT -5
Just a question. Not attacking anyone. I am just curious does the man even owe child support? I mean all them baby mammas and none of them went to the state on him? This same person gave a $20,000 donation to the Atlanta's children's fund -maybe to look 'good' in the publics' eye, and won't support his own unless forced! |
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Post by Master-9 on Oct 17, 2004 10:04:09 GMT -5
This same person gave a $20,000 donation to the Atlanta's children's fund -maybe to look 'good' in the publics' eye, and won't support his own unless forced! Is that what really pissed you off Balkiss, I thought so...All about the money  |
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Post by ELTRUTH on Oct 17, 2004 11:31:08 GMT -5
IF i was a parent and my partner gave $$$ to build a FAKE image and got little one at home wrapped in a towel cause they dont by pampers i may be PISSED to - rightfully so. its not about making a baby- but being a PARENT and supporting and nurturing- physically AND monitarily
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Post by Master-9 on Oct 18, 2004 18:40:46 GMT -5
IF i was a parent and my partner gave $$$ to build a FAKE image and got little one at home wrapped in a towel cause they dont by pampers i may be PISSED to - rightfully so. its not about making a baby- but being a PARENT and supporting and nurturing- physically AND monitarily Maybe if the nother parent was alittle patiant she could have reap the benifits of what he was doing in the long run, but that's spilt milk now. |
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Post by BalkisII on Oct 18, 2004 21:19:37 GMT -5
Well I guess they were not patient enough for the first 30 YEARS, so now they should wait around another 30 MORE YEARS, just to see some benefits IN THE LONG RUN???
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Post by ELTRUTH on Oct 18, 2004 21:21:55 GMT -5
what does PATIENCE have to do with RAISING and taken REPONSIBILTY for the children you bring in the worl?  if a baby is born they need milk NOW- now when they enter grade school- that baby will STARVE to death.  how can someone AFFORD to give $20k to any place BEFORE making sure THEIR responsibility as PARENT is taken care of??? do u feed someone off the street before you MAKE sure your children are feed? and what about the other children on the land? why was some mothers FORCED to give thier NEWBORN baby RICE WATER and some mothers gave their child milk? how do u think that effects that growing NEWBORN? why in brooklyn impetigo and ring worm a common word in the kids house? people shouldnt have to live like that ALL in the sake of sacrifice and being 'PATIENT'. over 30 years promises of better living quaters- over 30 years people living like roaches... WERE was the imporvement? why was woman and children LITTERALLy living WITH sewer? that is harmful and unhealthy. why on the HOLY LAND- did one of docs wives contracted out of 'osmosis' hepetitis a?"...Hepatitis A is a disease of poor personal hygiene, bad sanitation, poverty, overcrowding - Third World scenario. Even well-groomed, well-fed junkies are not high risk for Hepatitis A. They're more apt to get Type B. Medline indicates the lack of sewers in Third World locales as the biggest contributor to Hepatitis A. Again from the journal Pediatrics we find that: "The major method for prevention of HAV infections is improved sanitation and personal hygiene" Bottom line here: Hepatitis A is not common in most of the United States.
...."she DIDNT come into the community with it. it was kept hush, hush on the land because their are cases that the eare should have been QUARENTEENED. |
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Post by BalkisII on Oct 19, 2004 11:26:52 GMT -5
You are right, when a baby needs food, you don't tell it 'hush little baby, just be patinet, I'll give you some food when daddy decides that mommy deserves to reap the benefit of long hard work, in the masters' plan' How pathetic to 'give' $20 g's, just to show you are a "good and outstanding citizen, who shares his wealth with the poor and needy"!!! While in the mean time, they are babies and children just about starving or with inadequate nutrition, surviving as best as they could on the "holy land"! Towels for diapers, rice water for milk, sewege coverd floor for carpet, people STEALING stale frezer burned carob covered chocolates (AND GETTING IN TROUBLE FOR DOING THAT), just to have something to eat during some saviours' days, while chicken stay in the cooler and spoil, because those in "charge" was too busy in the masters' face to take care of their responsibilities, and instead of distributing the food to the houses, left it to spoil, and just bought more if they needed it to sell in the food stands on the land. Oh wait, not buy, but have people DONATE this food, that they in turn sell back to them! |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Oct 19, 2004 12:50:31 GMT -5
If that was what the conditions were like then that is a sad state of affairs. What is the child supposed to do in the mean time? Starve and hold in his waste? It makes absolutely no sense. Should the mother of the child take on 100% of the responsibility when it was a 50/50 deal when creating the child? I fully believe one should take care of their own "backyard" (children) before worrying about anything else. Regardless of how I feel about this man's doctrine - this kind of treatment and living conditions for his own flesh and blood is just horrible. If I knew of a Chrisitian pastor behaving the same way I would think it just as discusting. You are right, when a baby needs food, you don't tell it 'hush little baby, just be patinet, I'll give you some food when daddy decides that mommy deserves to reap the benefit of long hard work, in the masters' plan' How pathetic to 'give' $20 g's, just to show you are a "good and outstanding citizen, who shares his wealth with the poor and needy"!!! While in the mean time, they are babies and children just about starving or with inadequate nutrition, surviving as best as they could on the "holy land"! Towels for diapers, rice water for milk, sewege coverd floor for carpet, people STEALING stale frezer burned carob covered chocolates (AND GETTING IN TROUBLE FOR DOING THAT), just to have something to eat during some saviours' days, while chicken stay in the cooler and spoil, because those in "charge" was too busy in the masters' face to take care of their responsibilities, and instead of distributing the food to the houses, left it to spoil, and just bought more if they needed it to sell in the food stands on the land. Oh wait, not buy, but have people DONATE this food, that they in turn sell back to them! |
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Post by Master-9 on Oct 19, 2004 18:18:53 GMT -5
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Post by BalkisII on Oct 19, 2004 19:57:06 GMT -5
Let me clarify this here to you Courtney, I was not posting something that happened to me and my child as far as the towel and rice water. It was the wife of a member that was/is in good standing to this day with york and within the community. His wife was so meek and not ruffling any feathers, that she just did without for her child, a young baby boy at the time. They did not provide what he the baby needed in the house where she lived, at that time, but provision was made for other babies his age that lived in other more "favorable" house. Mind you this particular sister worked so hard, she was bone tired just about all the time, but she was not "rewarded" for her hard work, so her child suffered. I was blessed by the time I had my last child, and things were getting real bad with Sills and them, she the child had an income due to her disability, and she never was in need for anything. I even used to buy food and diappers for some of the other infants, when the office did not provide it for them, yet had money to fill the request for some birthday party and gifts for grown sisters, and not fill out the request to feed and put diapers on the babies. If that was what the conditions were like then that is a sad state of affairs. What is the child supposed to do in the mean time? Starve and hold in his waste? It makes absolutely no sense. Should the mother of the child take on 100% of the responsibility when it was a 50/50 deal when creating the child? I fully believe one should take care of their own "backyard" (children) before worrying about anything else. Regardless of how I feel about this man's doctrine - this kind of treatment and living conditions for his own flesh and blood is just horrible. If I knew of a Chrisitian pastor behaving the same way I would think it just as discusting. |
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Post by BalkisII on Oct 19, 2004 20:22:27 GMT -5
The $20,000.00 didn't come from him, it came from Al Mahdi Shrine. We have given to many charities. It seems that you are just hung up on the money M9, should in case you did not know, I'VE WORKED IN THE BUSINESS OFFICE MANY TIMES FROM IN BROOKLYN. I say that to say, I KNOW HOW THE MONEY IS HANDLED! And you as well as I KNOW, that IF you all had ANY money that is was your "OWN" - the Lodges', you or whomever was/is in "charge" can NOT donate that kind of money WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE "CHEIF". IT WAS NOT YA'LLS DINERO COMPADRE! Now you may wish to go back and forth with this, amuse yourself, I know the deal, it's just the people on the outside that does not know how things operated. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Oct 20, 2004 10:42:13 GMT -5
That is just horrible. What goes around comes around! You allow people to live in poverty while you live in luxury.. now who is living in deplorable conditions? Our God is a just God that is for sure. Let me clarify this here to you Courtney, I was not posting something that happened to me and my child as far as the towel and rice water. It was the wife of a member that was/is in good standing to this day with york and within the community. His wife was so meek and not ruffling any feathers, that she just did without for her child, a young baby boy at the time. They did not provide what he the baby needed in the house where she lived, at that time, but provision was made for other babies his age that lived in other more "favorable" house. Mind you this particular sister worked so hard, she was bone tired just about all the time, but she was not "rewarded" for her hard work, so her child suffered. I was blessed by the time I had my last child, and things were getting real bad with Sills and them, she the child had an income due to her disability, and she never was in need for anything. I even used to buy food and diappers for some of the other infants, when the office did not provide it for them, yet had money to fill the request for some birthday party and gifts for grown sisters, and not fill out the request to feed and put diapers on the babies. |
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Post by ELTRUTH on Oct 20, 2004 11:02:00 GMT -5
im GLAD m9- that u did NOT TRY to dispute the conditions- nor his WIFE contracting hepetitus!- as for the money- there were MANY times doc did something for SHOW- the CHRISTMAS toys he got and gave out throught the eatonton book store- there were HIS kids and OTHER kids on the land- still being deprived of things - and some of them - becasue they were not favored got like a 99 cent wistle- when other kids got 10 gifts- now is that right? why show kids your that side if its sopposed to be a COMMUNITY? back in the day when SISTER had SOME control over the kids house- when gift giving festivities came around ALL KIDS got equal or the kids ROOM got the gifts - that meant they ALL had to be shared. but that was back when his wife zubaida- rip- KNEW how money foolish he was and would give him a ALLOWANCE out of the money that came in - as sopposed to how he ran it - he took all big bills BEFORE bills were paid, before food was gotten- heck before the products money was put beack to RE-UP on the products that GAVE him the money. so the office was stuck trying to figure out how replenish the products and THEN they showed him house request of things needed and he approved or disapproved if they got it.
and YES courtney that is how it was on the land- in brooklyn in the childrend house- impetigo and ring worm was as common as a common cold. the kids food was sometimes served ON THE FLOOR or on a BED SHEET on the FLOOR inside or outside. nubia people lived piled up in about 4 double wide trailer homes- the same one that was taken to the land were people were PILED up AGAIN in those old double wide trailer houses. one of the kids house had a big hole in the kitchen, and one shower was so warped a child FELL THROUGH TO THE BOTTOM while trying to take a shower. a mouse one time went into the hot cereal - it was mearly taken out and the cereal FED to the kids- becsue there was NO MORE to make another pot. ALL this and MUCH MUCH more - doc KNEW about. he even told a group of people one time during a saviors day- we should be HAPPY he starves us or we would look like the 'fat bitches' in the congregation- and pointed to up the hill were a bunch of sisters people who came to the land to VISIT for his birthday/saviors day celebration. they were in the african garbs becasue that was 'in' at the time. and u just say to your salf daymn- if people REALLY knew how he saw them, talk about them, felt about them- they wouldnt even look at him the same.
***plus look at those pics- those are all RECENT pics- as in within the time during and after his arrest** of course it would be in his BEST intrest to try to CLEAN up his image.
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Oct 20, 2004 12:28:37 GMT -5
That is so very sad. It grieves me that children would be treated in such a way when they never asked to be born into this world. We as parents have an obligation to our children to give them a decent environment in which to grow up. It is also sad that a father would not participate equally in his children's lives. That alone will scar those children for life. im GLAD m9- that u did NOT TRY to dispute the conditions- nor his WIFE contracting hepetitus!- as for the money- there were MANY times doc did something for SHOW- the CHRISTMAS toys he got and gave out throught the eatonton book store- there were HIS kids and OTHER kids on the land- still being deprived of things - and some of them - becasue they were not favored got like a 99 cent wistle- when other kids got 10 gifts- now is that right? why show kids your that side if its sopposed to be a COMMUNITY? back in the day when SISTER had SOME control over the kids house- when gift giving festivities came around ALL KIDS got equal or the kids ROOM got the gifts - that meant they ALL had to be shared. but that was back when his wife zubaida- rip- KNEW how money foolish he was and would give him a ALLOWANCE out of the money that came in - as sopposed to how he ran it - he took all big bills BEFORE bills were paid, before food was gotten- heck before the products money was put beack to RE-UP on the products that GAVE him the money. so the office was stuck trying to figure out how replenish the products and THEN they showed him house request of things needed and he approved or disapproved if they got it. and YES courtney that is how it was on the land- in brooklyn in the childrend house- impetigo and ring worm was as common as a common cold. the kids food was sometimes served ON THE FLOOR or on a BED SHEET on the FLOOR inside or outside. nubia people lived piled up in about 4 double wide trailer homes- the same one that was taken to the land were people were PILED up AGAIN in those old double wide trailer houses. one of the kids house had a big hole in the kitchen, and one shower was so warped a child FELL THROUGH TO THE BOTTOM while trying to take a shower. a mouse one time went into the hot cereal - it was mearly taken out and the cereal FED to the kids- becsue there was NO MORE to make another pot. ALL this and MUCH MUCH more - doc KNEW about. he even told a group of people one time during a saviors day- we should be HAPPY he starves us or we would look like the 'fat bitches' in the congregation- and pointed to up the hill were a bunch of sisters people who came to the land to VISIT for his birthday/saviors day celebration. they were in the african garbs becasue that was 'in' at the time. and u just say to your salf daymn- if people REALLY knew how he saw them, talk about them, felt about them- they wouldnt even look at him the same. ***plus look at those pics- those are all RECENT pics- as in within the time during and after his arrest** of course it would be in his BEST intrest to try to CLEAN up his image. |
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Post by ELTRUTH on Oct 20, 2004 22:08:52 GMT -5
thats what people dont get- its not JUST about the molestations stuff- though very henious. but his whole mentality of running a community was all manipulation and power control. how people lived- all in the name of SACRAFICE and PATIENCE. funny things is people will talk all that SHIT about follow the lamb- but NEVER moved in- so they never FULLY followed him and sacrifced- becasue he always taught to come inside the 'gates' and be counted- YES they WERE better off- but from the religious/doctrine stand point they PICKED and CHOOSED what part of what he taught to follow. but REAL followers who BELIEVED (or conned by this man) he was teaching the right thing came in, sacrificed, was patience, worked there ass off in ANY condition- there was a time UPSTATE new york- DEAD of winter- and we were in the budlah nubi days ( indian 'silk' outfits) and a machine had to be fixed- we had to continue to work in the office and PRETEND not to be cold - since they had to call and outsider- the white man- the 'devil' to fix a machine. we wasnt alowed to were jackets, coats, sweaters, socks not even long johns- in the new york mountains in the WINTER in an office with NO HEAT! it was too the point that he tried to seperate the new people from people who was there for allong time for fear they would SCARE them away with the REAL TRUTH about stuff. if he brought a woman in from the dr york erra was was trying to BAG he used to send a message for NO ONE to tell them if he had any other wives and DONT tell them he has kids- it was like if they found out he was the kids father - he wanted to know WHO TOLD- so they would be in TROUBLE. then he souped these womans heads up have them thinking they the shit and anyone who tried to warn them - its only going to last about 3 or more months - was made to seam like they are jealous, then when there time was 'up' and they found out they were litteraly 'one in a million'- they bugged out, etc etc. what ever YOU need to get what HE wants- he will do it. he would give new girls or woman jewlery and tell everyone else- they will soon have to 'pay up' for it- and he dont give NOTHING for free. he talked about his congregation like they were the dumbest rock heads, and so gulible, he BRAGGED how he can make some shit up- make it sound spooky and he congragation just EAT it up- becasue HE said it. he knew the control he had on people and he USED it to his advantage.
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