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Post by BalkisII on Oct 21, 2004 10:02:35 GMT -5
I can TRULY relate to the "in the name of SACRAFICE and PATIENCE". However, there IS a limit to everything under the sun! As you pointed out, as henious as the sexual molestation that was done to the children, it IS the MENTAL and EMOTIONAL DAMAGE that was DONE to ALL THESE CHILDREN , AND some of the grown folks! People would be very FORTUNATE indeed, if they are able to fully recover and heal themselves or their families. A whole lot of families are torn apart, or people just don't know how to blend back into society as "normal' people anymore. A whole lot of phycological damage was done. What's even sadder to me, even as all this is finally in the open, the control El Truth speaks about is STILL going EVEN AS WE 'SPEAK'!!!! thats what people dont get- its not JUST about the molestations stuff- though very henious. but his whole mentality of running a community was all manipulation and power control. how people lived- all in the name of SACRAFICE and PATIENCE. funny things is people will talk all that SHIT about follow the lamb- but NEVER moved in- so they never FULLY followed him and sacrifced- becasue he always taught to come inside the 'gates' and be counted- YES they WERE better off- but from the religious/doctrine stand point they PICKED and CHOOSED what part of what he taught to follow. but REAL followers who BELIEVED (or conned by this man) he was teaching the right thing came in, sacrificed, was patience, worked there ass off in ANY condition- there was a time UPSTATE new york- DEAD of winter- and we were in the budlah nubi days ( indian 'silk' outfits) and a machine had to be fixed- we had to continue to work in the office and PRETEND not to be cold - since they had to call and outsider- the white man- the 'devil' to fix a machine. we wasnt alowed to were jackets, coats, sweaters, socks not even long johns- in the new york mountains in the WINTER in an office with NO HEAT! it was too the point that he tried to seperate the new people from people who was there for allong time for fear they would SCARE them away with the REAL TRUTH about stuff. if he brought a woman in from the dr york erra was was trying to BAG he used to send a message for NO ONE to tell them if he had any other wives and DONT tell them he has kids- it was like if they found out he was the kids father - he wanted to know WHO TOLD- so they would be in TROUBLE. then he souped these womans heads up have them thinking they the shit and anyone who tried to warn them - its only going to last about 3 or more months - was made to seam like they are jealous, then when there time was 'up' and they found out they were litteraly 'one in a million'- they bugged out, etc etc. what ever YOU need to get what HE wants- he will do it. he would give new girls or woman jewlery and tell everyone else- they will soon have to 'pay up' for it- and he dont give NOTHING for free. he talked about his congregation like they were the dumbest rock heads, and so gulible, he BRAGGED how he can make some shit up- make it sound spooky and he congragation just EAT it up- becasue HE said it. he knew the control he had on people and he USED it to his advantage. |
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Post by Master-9 on Oct 21, 2004 18:17:43 GMT -5
I can TRULY relate to the "in the name of SACRAFICE and PATIENCE". However, there IS a limit to everything under the sun! As you pointed out, as henious as the sexual molestation that was done to the children, it IS the MENTAL and EMOTIONAL DAMAGE that was DONE to ALL THESE CHILDREN , AND some of the grown folks! People would be very FORTUNATE indeed, if they are able to fully recover and heal themselves or their families. A whole lot of families are torn apart, or people just don't know how to blend back into society as "normal' people anymore. A whole lot of phycological damage was done. What's even sadder to me, even as all this is finally in the open, the control El Truth speaks about is STILL going EVEN AS WE 'SPEAK'!!!! How many self help cult books are yall reading now....LOL Yall some asell out niggers who now got so much to say...say it to the family in person |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Oct 21, 2004 21:21:58 GMT -5
I pray that all you and your families are healed and blessed many times over.. you have already received the blessing of being delivered from what you went thru "on the land".
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Post by ELTRUTH on Oct 22, 2004 0:03:39 GMT -5
How many self help cult books are yall reading now....LOL Yall some asell out niggers who now got so much to say...say it to the family in person if you was REALLY 'family' u would KNOW for a FACT that MANY of what is being said today , on this board, in the court house has been said BEFORE. but it goes to show u how really ignorant or OUT OF THE LOOP u are. and whats funny- is that some of the 'family' pretending to be down now- is some of the MAIN ones who would complain ALSO or SPREAD some of the 'rumors' going on. so who is more hypocritical- the people who sat and complain or the people who complained and when it fell on deaf ears- DID something about it. differnt people wake up and differnt times, but i see that u are waking up- SLOWLY- but surley... just the mere fact that even AFTER u post a threat 'your last post on the site...' that u still come back, becasue u are DIGESTING the FACTS- and DEEP in your heart- u KNOW the deal, u KNOW whats right, u just still trying to sort things out- hey take your time- i still got lots of family still caught up in that bullshit- and blinded, but then i have LOTS that woke up as well.  |
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Post by 1dell on Oct 22, 2004 9:19:30 GMT -5
I'll tell you one thing and I'll say it boldly. If a man preaches that one should be a responsible human and father yet he can't set the example by being a responsible human and father. Then he is a hypocrite and I couldn't follow him 5 feet let alone accept him as my Master and leader. Unless I myself had a skewed view of morality and was a pimp, playa at heart.
I know some brothers who would salute york for being able to have 100+ kids and not have to pay child support. Not me, I would spit on this man's grave for doing this.
I don't know if Kodesh/Tama Re was supposed to be the haven for his kids or not and that was supposed to suffice. Maybe the REAL reason Kodesh exists is as support for all them baby mommas And if they came to live there, then good, if not the aliby would have been "well I had a place for them to come but they chose not to come to the promised land. What does that say of them your Honor?"
You can tell a tree by the Fruit it bares. I Thank Alah for that bit of wisedumb. I saw the fruit on this tree long ago.
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Post by BalkisII on Oct 22, 2004 9:42:03 GMT -5
Surely it was not "LOL" when your "6 finger cousin" was molesting the children in your family, you wanted to do him harm, if you recall? But it's good to see that you acknowledge that we need "many self help cult books" . However, true healing can only beggin once you have the courage and the love in your heart to forgive another for the wrong that they have done to you. Ultimately, this can not be given until first the perpetrator first admiting their wrong, (plea) and then this person MUST ask to be forgiven. This in the ONLY way that they both (yes I said both) parties can move on with their lives!!!! How many self help cult books are yall reading now....LOL Yall some asell out niggers who now got so much to say...say it to the family in person |
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Post by BalkisII on Oct 22, 2004 10:06:17 GMT -5
I pray that all you and your families are healed and blessed many times over.. you have already received the blessing of being delivered from what you went thru "on the land". Thank you Courtney for your prayers and good wishes. It is TRULY a BLESSING, everyday to know that we are no longer subjected to that type of living, and to finally come to the realization, however brutal that it was, to the 'REAL' deal in there, and to able to leave. We pray for those still subjected, into thinking that there is nothing wrong with what was going on. Fortunately for the other children, they will be speared from such behavior. All Praises is due to The Most High!!!! |
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Post by BalkisII on Oct 22, 2004 10:19:25 GMT -5
Agreed, one should practice what they preach. Imagine giving out guidelines for your followers for them to uphold, yet, you do the total opposite. This has been going on like that in there for yrs. and yrs. During the Ansaars' days, he york, used to tell us, that he does not have to pray, that he was a Hebrew, and the islaamic laws does not pertaint to him. He puts out a 'Family guide book', telling you not to break the law of the country, yet, I guess that does not pertain to him, just the followers??? When he first had to pay child support, he did have the nerve to say, that the community is there for the children, so the mother was wrong to seek child support instead of coming to live in the community. However, that is as bogus as you can get, when they fully know that the children are not treated equal, and if you were on his bad side, well, the child would suffer, like in not being able to see him, or to be included in other activities that he may conceed to the children of those he found "favor" in. So many of his blood children have some many complexes dealing with how they were treated in the mosque, some HE DID NOT EVEN RECOGNIZE AS HIS OWN, and the child would have to stand around and see him being approached by some of his other children, while they had to stay in the background. I'll tell you one thing and I'll say it boldly. If a man preaches that one should be a responsible human and father yet he can't set the example by being a responsible human and father. Then he is a hypocrite and I couldn't follow him 5 feet let alone accept him as my Master and leader. Unless I myself had a skewed view of morality and was a pimp, playa at heart. I know some brothers who would salute york for being able to have 100+ kids and not have to pay child support. Not me, I would spit on this man's grave for doing this. I don't know if Kodesh/Tama Re was supposed to be the haven for his kids or not and that was supposed to suffice. Maybe the REAL reason Kodesh exists is as support for all them baby mommas And if they came to live there, then good, if not the aliby would have been "well I had a place for them to come but they chose not to come to the promised land. What does that say of them your Honor?" You can tell a tree by the Fruit it bares. I Thank Alah for that bit of wisedumb. I saw the fruit on this tree long ago. |
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Post by ELTRUTH on Oct 23, 2004 0:54:25 GMT -5
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Post by Master-9 on Oct 23, 2004 8:30:11 GMT -5
the thing is to, doc KNEW and ACKNOWLEDGED treating eve HIS own kids differntly- he used to say all the time that is why Iyub- (ONE his son who is in jail.... AGAIN....like father , like son    ) is the way he is- becasue he wasnt rasied like SOME of docs chidlren with prevlages- and that he was reffered to as his MOTHER child and not DOC child so he did ANYTHING for attention, doc used to say he was a good kid besides that - but he just wanted attention from doc as a father and copared how the zubaiyda kids RIP, was treated like royalty they could do no wrong, and his OTHERS kids he wouldnt even see!. even within zubaida' RIP - little clan of children from him- he had a CASTE SYSTEM.  How is Jacob doing? |
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Post by BalkisII on Oct 23, 2004 22:37:45 GMT -5
I thought ya'll did a video with him??? Or was it just an audio interview |
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Post by Pablo on Oct 24, 2004 8:47:32 GMT -5
Where is the Jacob video- on unnm?
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Post by BalkisII on Oct 24, 2004 14:42:34 GMT -5
Where is the Jacob video- on unnm? I read somewhere on UNNM, some brother had seen Jacob and that he interviewed him. Since M9 mentioned him, I was wondering what became of this "interview" or if it was done at all??? |
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Post by Nehisi on Oct 24, 2004 18:57:11 GMT -5
How many self help cult books are yall reading now....LOL Yall some asell out niggers who now got so much to say...say it to the family in person I am trying to think 'yall, but I don't recall any prophets that were true to the bone. Maybe it is a man thang. Maybe he is just Hue-man. I conscentrate on the message of truth that is sent through him. There is no faith in man!!! Doc was the first to say "God is a Woman". He took us all the way back to our roots. Our real roots. I am not saying what he has done pertaining to his children is not wrong. I am not trying to make any excuses for him being a dead beat Father. I am just saying, what that got to do with the Message? When I go to website U.N.N.M., I read conflicting stories to the allegations that I read here. Did he put a gun to their heads to make them stay? Did he put them in a trance? Because they seem like a very happy family that truly miss BaBa. What he is going through is what he prepared us for. We should check out the "STRENGTHS" in him during this journey, not his weaknesses which we all have. I don't know, maybe there is alot of perfectionists on this tread. I ain't skerd!! |
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Post by DREAllah on Oct 25, 2004 6:24:36 GMT -5
He (york) didn't really acknowledge some crazy shit like that. If he did, then he would not continue to fill the position as head blood sucker in charge. That was just some shit to say to get more blind deaf and dumb females to join his organization so they could "feel good" about themselves while still being robbed while him and junior slave makers of the poor lived luxury, selling you the "dream...." Doc was the first to say "God is a Woman". He took us all the way back to our roots. Our real roots. |
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