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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 27, 2004 17:14:17 GMT -5
ok im breaking my silence and i want to say i agree with 1dell.. irregardless of the semantics and intended message we all should have the big picture about God, Jesus and his message (no matter what names they are called by).. in the end- or should i say by the end we will all know what was fact and what was fiction.. nuff said.. now how bout the bible study 1dell my snookems?? dont forget about posting the rules and regulations of that thread  I can respect that bro. I can respect what you been thru. But dude, the ONLY people I listen to are those who have studied this book THOROUGHLY!! Not some lukewarm nikka who got a problem with the book!! I want to listen to those who devoted their life to studying this book open mindedly. Hell I still have much to master regarding the writings of the hebrews fuck, the sumerians and egyptians. There is so much right here to learn. Not only that Kah really bro, who is telling the dayum truth? was you there during creation? was I? Hell no!!! none of us were so we are wasting time going back and forth over bullshit we can't prove beyond a dayum book. So what is the bible REALLY about?? it's about CONDUCT, it's about WORSHIP towards the God IHaWaH, it's about his SON and about Eternal life. So all this garbage we are going back and forth over don't even scratch the surface of what this book is about and it stretching it out of purpose. So nigga that got his foots in sumer, a toe in egypt and a pinky toe in the bible can't tell me shit! Sorry but thats how it is. Especially when all they do is mixing drinks and mingling seeds. All that ish does is breeds confusion. I can respect a man who has an alternative view, but this cat is flat out saying the bible is wrong and plagiarized and mistake laden. Thats just flat out incorrect and inaccurate. Side with who you must bro, as for me and Mine House, we shall serve IHaWaH |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 27, 2004 17:15:10 GMT -5
and kah- like Tupac said- I aint mad atcha- i got luv for ya |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 27, 2004 17:18:44 GMT -5
well goddang!! can i call a GROUP HUG SESSION or what! y'all making me feel like we wuz all mad at each other . [[[[GROUP HUG]]]]]  and kah- like Tupac said- I aint mad atcha- i got luv for ya |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 27, 2004 17:19:29 GMT -5
i'M proud of you derek, that was beautiful broham. No joke. The Actual Six Days of Creations are just a fraction of the Book of Genesis (Barashiyth). Thus OT writers did not want us to focus on the intricacies of creation, such as development of our solar systems to molecular cells. Rather the premise itself was to show how Patriarchs fashioned this family into a Nation. T'nakh is merely a Charter of Man's Mission in this world. It's a guide to their faith and pratice, with Sovereign Eloh as Elyown El. (Most High). It shows a link of authority of 'appointing' Adam then Seth onto Abraham the TENTH patriarch, whose ordination begin with 10 first utterances of Elohim. So it's an everlasting Covenant! Sanctified in this world and in the next. |
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Post by KnaxemDead on Mar 27, 2004 17:32:34 GMT -5
To further clear up misunderstanding concerning who appointed Seth.
When I translated then paraphrased
Wife of Adam (Hawwah) begat a Son called Seth, Elohim appointed him ‘Chief’ over the Tribe of Adamites, to replace Abel who Cain had murdered.
Paraphrased by Derek Hodge
You see a difference in my translation that I showed it was actually the Elohim, not Nekaybaw (Hawwah)who 'appointed' SETH. When I first used the quote I went from Authorized KJV which has written...
Gen 4:25 "For God, [said she], hath appointed me another seed ..."
Thus it gives the impression that the wife of Adam, had appointed Seth, Chief. So out of all the other sons and daughters, the OT writer again brings our attention to SETH's lineage as the correct link back, because it was the ELOHIM who gave him that position.
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Post by KnaxemDead on Mar 27, 2004 17:46:18 GMT -5
Don't be so heisty to disregard what I am saying. As I stated before all these creation stories, whether Sumerian, Egyptian, Babylonian or even Hebrew's account has a common link, were they copied it from. For lack of a better word, Umm Kitab. Chapter 5 of Genesis for instance admits to have been taken from a Chepher (Sifer) which is Scroll or Papyrus called Toledah of Adam.
This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 27, 2004 17:48:35 GMT -5
knaxemDead, the way the KJV scripture is understood, the woman naming of the child was the benediction. The elohim did not come down and say here, this is the child to all people. Rather they worked thru the woman who envoked their name when she confessed and proclaimed Seth as head [rosh] of the people. Sorta like a mouth piece for them [elohim]. That doesn't come across as a poor translation. Its only a different perspective in translation. But the underlieing meaning remains the same. Seth is the THEME. To further clear up misunderstanding concerning who appointed Seth. When I translated then paraphrased Wife of Adam (Hawwah) begat a Son called Seth, Elohim appointed him ‘Chief’ over the Tribe of Adamites, to replace Abel who Cain had murdered.
Paraphrased by Derek HodgeYou see a difference in my translation that I showed it was actually the Elohim, not Nekaybaw (Hawwah)who 'appointed' SETH. When I first used the quote I went from Authorized KJV which has written... Gen 4:25 "For God, [said she], hath appointed me another seed ..." Thus it gives the impression that the wife of Adam, had appointed Seth, Chief. So out of all the other sons and daughters, the OT writer again brings our attention to SETH's lineage as the correct link back, because it was the ELOHIM who gave him that position. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 27, 2004 17:53:12 GMT -5
You say Mars, I say Aries. In fact Genesis is made up of at least 5 scrolls. But I'll get into this later. Don't be so heisty to disregard what I am saying. As I stated before all these creation stories, whether Sumerian, Egyptian, Babylonian or even Hebrew's account has a common link, were they copied it from. For lack of a better word, Umm Kitab. Chapter 5 of Genesis for instance admits to have been taken from a Chepher (Sifer) which is Scroll or Papyrus called Toledah of Adam. This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 27, 2004 18:01:15 GMT -5
Knaxem, that isn't quite accurate. Though the book you mentioned may exist it doesn't mean the genesis 5th chp. was taken from it. The word in question is "cepher" which is translated as BOOK. However, the hebrews tabulated geneologies and they considered it books [book keeping]. The root of the word, where it stems from is "caphar' which means to count. In essence, the scripture can be re-translated this way... GEN 5.1, This [is] the number of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; When you continue reading, you will see the tallying [number] of generations from Adam - seth - Noach. Don't be so heisty to disregard what I am saying. As I stated before all these creation stories, whether Sumerian, Egyptian, Babylonian or even Hebrew's account has a common link, were they copied it from. For lack of a better word, Umm Kitab. Chapter 5 of Genesis for instance admits to have been taken from a Chepher (Sifer) which is Scroll or Papyrus called Toledah of Adam. This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 27, 2004 18:59:28 GMT -5
Lets look at this objectively guys. There were 4 people we know of Adam/EVe/Qayin the elder/Abel the younger. The birth right should belong to Qayin but as far as we know, Qayin is not Adam's son Just take a look at his Geneology in Chapter 4, Adam is not named. Then you have Abel who is murdered. Leaves us with 3 people. Qayin gets a wife (  ) How do hell dat happen? lol. Then he starts his nation. Adam is 130 years old by time he begets Set. God only knows how many years passed after Abel's death that Set is conceived. But Qayin is building a strong nation, that is far ahead of Adam's progeny in technology and arts and sciences. Then Set is born, next thing you know he HAS to be the head of the children of adam. He begat SONS and daughters, set did. But as with all geneologies, they focus on one child who begets another child that leads to the purpose of the geneology. And in this case this geneology ends at Noach. But Set as other offspring that are not mentioned.... Dayum, lunch is over back to work knaxemDead, the way the KJV scripture is understood, the woman naming of the child was the benediction. The elohim did not come down and say here, this is the child to all people. Rather they worked thru the woman who envoked their name when she confessed and proclaimed Seth as head [rosh] of the people. Sorta like a mouth piece for them [elohim]. That doesn't come across as a poor translation. Its only a different perspective in translation. But the underlieing meaning remains the same. Seth is the THEME. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 27, 2004 22:44:17 GMT -5
i HAVE BEEN given this some thought, the phones have died down a bit and it's slow at work so I think now is a good time to brang this up
We have established that Qayin's progeny had been breeding and flourishing while Adam and Khawah were just at a stand still.
I am reminded of what the most High told N'kash/the serpent:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Most christians will tell you that this is the first prophecy of Christ, sorta kinda but I want to focus on the feud between Qayin and Abel. It is legended that the N'kash seduced Eve and thereby impregnated her And Qayin is his seed, which is why Adam doesn't appear in Qayin's geneology nor does Qayin appear in Adam's. And abel was actually the seed of Adam. And this was the fulfillment of this verse, that Qayin being the Head (first born) and Abel being the Heel (2nd born) And there was enmity between the 2 brothers.
Even Ishua even said:
Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The devil was the Murderer from the beginning? what beginning? You are of your father the devil? how is the devil their father?
By following and doing the actions of a person they become a father over you.
Ishua also went around calling himself the Son of Man. We translated that term but it should be left alone B'nei Adam = Son of Adam. And he makes a distinction as to who his relatives are:
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
So we are seeing a division of families here as it was in the beginning. The seed of the Serpent/"devil" and the seed of the Woman (whose name was also Adam because of Genesis 5:2.
And what makes this so important that Set was created in the Image of Adam is because Qayin wasn't adam's son and must have been in the image of N'kash, of mixed seed. With that in mind Set replacing Adam's son Abel, would give Eve a ray of hope in defeating fulfilling the prophecy of defeating the oppressive seed of the serpent. That is to what Office Set was Appointed to.
We see this war ALL throughout the Scripture, if one looks closely they will see it.
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Post by KnaxemDead on Mar 28, 2004 0:37:55 GMT -5
Power to 'Appoint' was invested and originated with the Command from the Elohim, thus Nekaybaw on her own accord could not have made it so. This is why I presented and explained BOTH 'KJV' and my paraphrased translation. I better convey what the hebrew text is really saying. You as readers have to read what I wrote already, and stop half steppin and going off on a tangent. This doesn't have to do with liken me or not. That is mute, however, your wrestling not with me, but with The TRUTH.
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 28, 2004 0:44:58 GMT -5
Okaaaaay. If you say so homie  Power to 'Appoint' was invested and originated with the Command from the Elohim, thus Nekaybaw on her own accord could not have made it so. This is why I presented and explained BOTH 'KJV' and my paraphrased translation. I better convey what the hebrew text is really saying. You as readers have to read what I wrote already, and stop half steppin and going off on a tangent. This doesn't have to do with liken me or not. That is mute, however, your wrestling not with me, but with The TRUTH. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 31, 2004 16:13:25 GMT -5
1dell dahhhhhhlink.. i posed this question to christians on another message board.. this is the response i got: Becaue the writer's intent is to introduce the lineage of Seth from Adam. Thst is made clear as one reads the following chapters. Cain was now the cursed seed. His seed would be cut off in the flood of Noah. Abel had no seed. Seth then was the remnant branch of the human family tree. The writer is setting the stage to show the apsotacy of Seth's descendants By Cain's lineage and the preserved remnant in Noah... thus beginning a common theme inspired by the Spirit through out scripture ... tracing the lineage of Messiah and highlighting it's perseverane in spite of almost overwhelming odds at times.
God promised a man to Eve that would bruise the serpent... and that Man came through Seth's lineage ... he was the God-man Jesus.whatcha think? Lets look at this objectively guys. There were 4 people we know of Adam/EVe/Qayin the elder/Abel the younger. The birth right should belong to Qayin but as far as we know, Qayin is not Adam's son Just take a look at his Geneology in Chapter 4, Adam is not named. Then you have Abel who is murdered. Leaves us with 3 people. Qayin gets a wife ( ) How do hell dat happen? lol. Then he starts his nation. Adam is 130 years old by time he begets Set. God only knows how many years passed after Abel's death that Set is conceived. But Qayin is building a strong nation, that is far ahead of Adam's progeny in technology and arts and sciences. Then Set is born, next thing you know he HAS to be the head of the children of adam. He begat SONS and daughters, set did. But as with all geneologies, they focus on one child who begets another child that leads to the purpose of the geneology. And in this case this geneology ends at Noach. But Set as other offspring that are not mentioned.... Dayum, lunch is over back to work |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 31, 2004 16:25:19 GMT -5
Qayin's descendants survived the flood sweety, so part of that is mute. Even then that doesn't explain why you do not see Adam as the beginning of Qayin's geneology, there is no rule that if you are cursed you don't make it in a geneology, because in truth, Adam and Eve were both cursed as well 1dell dahhhhhhlink.. i posed this question to christians on another message board.. this is the response i got: Becaue the writer's intent is to introduce the lineage of Seth from Adam. Thst is made clear as one reads the following chapters. Cain was now the cursed seed. His seed would be cut off in the flood of Noah. Abel had no seed. Seth then was the remnant branch of the human family tree. The writer is setting the stage to show the apsotacy of Seth's descendants By Cain's lineage and the preserved remnant in Noah... thus beginning a common theme inspired by the Spirit through out scripture ... tracing the lineage of Messiah and highlighting it's perseverane in spite of almost overwhelming odds at times.
God promised a man to Eve that would bruise the serpent... and that Man came through Seth's lineage ... he was the God-man Jesus.whatcha think? |
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