You may want to join their Order....

[observer]

GTO said:

People dont truly understand Hiphop. Its more then just Music or a Calaboration. For example, I dont do music or dance. I do Graffiti. Hiphop from my oberservation is hard to define. The original definition no longer applies. Here is the best way I can explain it. Hiphop is the artistic and creative force of modern urban culture.

Right now im in the process of writing a web page explaining the relation between Hiphop and the Ancient Mystery System. HIphop is DEEP when you look at the culture as a Whole

GTO-
I'm interested to hear more of your ideas connecting hip hop to the Ancient Mystery System. Please elaborate.

[kAHANyAH]

the only mystery system hiphop resembles is the mystery of the reptilian [serpent] infiltration of modern urban culture.

GTO said:

People dont truly understand Hiphop. Its more then just Music or a Calaboration. For example, I dont do music or dance. I do Graffiti. Hiphop from my oberservation is hard to define. The original definition no longer applies. Here is the best way I can explain it. Hiphop is the artistic and creative force of modern urban culture.

Right now im in the process of writing a web page explaining the relation between Hiphop and the Ancient Mystery System. HIphop is DEEP when you look at the culture as a Whole

[BalkisII]

Atun-Re said:

Peace Madam, Lady of the Pharoahs...

Etymologically speaking, the word “cunning” comes from the Sanskrit word for knowledge, jcana. It is related to the Archaic Turkish word for SUN or DAY--Kun, Gun, Cun. In Mayan discourse, the same word (Kun, Gun) also means “sun” or “day.” ...As it was record, it wasn’t until after the breaking of the taboo, in the Gan, that the word itself (gan) and all of its derivatives (such as the word cunning and the Arabic word Jin) acquired negative overtones.

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Peace,

Thank you for the original breakdown of the word. As you know, my meaning is of the current use of it.

[DREAllah]

Don't call them "mystery" systems. Call them
the Rites of Passage. Graff Writing is related
to signs and symbols. B-boying/B-girling is
physical training and martial arts. DJ-ing
is hand eye coordination and organization.
and Rhyming is rhetoric and public speaking.
Beat boxing is creativity improvisation and
breath control.
Anybody listen to jungle music (drum and bass)?
Peace.

GTO said:

People dont truly understand Hiphop. Its more then just Music or a Calaboration. For example, I dont do music or dance. I do Graffiti. Hiphop from my oberservation is hard to define. The original definition no longer applies. Here is the best way I can explain it. Hiphop is the artistic and creative force of modern urban culture.

Right now im in the process of writing a web page explaining the relation between Hiphop and the Ancient Mystery System. HIphop is DEEP when you look at the culture as a Whole

[DREAllah]

He wasn't a 5%, he just heard about the 5%.
We are not terrorist and we do not commit
arson. We prevent arson. See: MLK Assination
fires prevented by "Five Percenters" in conjunction
with Mayor Lindsay.

observer said:

I find it interesting that with all the beef within and between Black spiritual, religious and fraternal organizations in this country today, hip hop seems to provide a forum that can bring members of these disparate organizations together. Real quick off of the top of my head I think of the collaboration between Brand Nubian and KMD as well as the Gravediggas group which contained a 5%er as well as a Nuwaubian. I find this interesting considering a recent post I read by a 5%er about how he helped attempt to burn down the Original Tents of Kedar Bookstore.

Anyone have thoughts on this? Any other hip hop groups or events come to mind?

[GTOM]

How did JUDAISM become TAINTED?
How did ISLAM become DILUTED?
How was CHRISTIANITY infiltrated?
How come Ancient Egypt is DEAD?

The answer to these questions is the same as to the reason why you think Hiphop is evil.

kAH said:

the only mystery system hiphop resembles is the mystery of the reptilian [serpent] infiltration of modern urban culture.

[Master-9]

[GTOM]

After I left the Nuwaubian Nation, I was on the verge of being an Atheist and didnt believe or have faith in shit. The only thing I knew in depth information on was Nuwaubian and Hiphop. I knew for years about the Spiritual connection in Hiphop with Ancient Cultures as far as the Rituals. It was not until I was going thru a book that had a diagram of the Solar System and I said to my self "Yo, This diagram looks just like a record".

I remember in the scriptures it speaks of the Hand of God. I knew the Kabalah and Freemasons called it YOD. God is the Creator of All Things. It just so happens that it was the DJ who was the Creator of Hiphop. I pictured the Hand of the DJ Moving the Record around just like God Keeping the Solar System in motion.

All Elements in a Solar System come from the Sun. The Sun is represented on the Label on the Record. The Record Label explains "chemical elements" that are on the records, just like all planets are composed of chemical elemets from the Sun. The Records is BLACK the only part with light is the Label. Much like our solar system.

A Record on a Turntable is a CIRCLE ON TOP OF A SQUARE.

A DJ uses 2 NEEDLES on top of 2 SQUARES like an Architect

The 2 Records represent the Spirutal and Physical Realm since both records are "vibrating" on same yet different wave patterns.

the DJ also represents the Foundation : EARTH because the EARTH is a SPHERE with a CORE like a RECORD.

the BREAK-BOY represents : WIND because of their movements. Also B-Boys wore WIND+BREAKERS.

The MC represents : FIRE because a REAL MC spits it.

THE WRITER represents : WATER because with out it being the primary element in their Cans or Markers, they can not express / relay text / bring things ( like walls) to life.


Like AUSAR AND AUSET and the VIRGIN Birth of HERU. Hiphop also was brought to life by a BROTHER ( Kool Herc) and SISTER ( Cindy Campbell) thru a VIRGIN BIRTH

Just like ISIS, The FRUIT she GAVE BIRTH TO was the SUN, CINDY was the PRIMARY Cause for the BIRTH of HIPHOP, if she did not ask HERC to throw her a party in 1971, who knows what would have happen

3 YEARS LATER in 1974 is recognized as the OFFICAL BIRTH of HIP HOP in CEDER PARK between the 2 PROJECT BUILDINGS ( THE BOAZ AND JACHIN )

And JUST LIKE JESUS in his day and time " a PROPHET is NEVER LOVED in his HOME." ( BLING BLING ). GO anywhere across the WORLD and you will see MORE TRUE SCHOOL HIP HOP then here in AMERICA.



Im in the process of starting the IHS or the INTEL HIPHOP SOCIETY. Its an Philosophical society that makes Positive Hiphop, Better.

The Society is something like a cross bred of Temple of Hiphop and Rosicrucians.

The Society has 3 CHAMBERS Each Chamber has either 3 , 5 or 7/9 Degrees. One must aspire to be a "SHEEPSKIN" / PEACEMAKER or a "BOMBER" / WARRIOR. Here is just an explanation of the 1st Chamber

DEGREE : 0
THE SHELLTOE ADIDAS . Walking in the Path of Light

PSALM 119:105 "“Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path”<br>
DEGREE : 1
THE NAME BUCKLE : ISAIAH 11: 5 “Righteousness shall be the belt of His loins, and faithfulness the belt of His waist”<br>
DEGREE: 2
The Bermuda Kangol : Ecclesiastes 9:13 “This wisdom I have also seen under the sun, and it seemed great to me” a KANGOL resembles a SUN on the Horison, In Ancient Egypt, the Pharoahs head Mame represented the Lion because of its color which was like the SUN. the Sun represents knowledge.

DEGREE: 3
The Cazal : Provers 22:12 "“The eyes of the LORD preserve knowledge, but He overthrows the words of the faithless” The Cazals were 2 Squares = 720 or Spiritual and Physical knowledge.

I do believe that Hiphop is from GOD and since CULTURE and RELIGION since ancient times were ONE. I have come to the conclusion that HIPHOP is MY RELIGION. LIKE a PHEONIX rising from the ASHES of HELL, HIPHOP was born in the MOST BURNT DOWN PLACE in AMERICAN in the 1970's : THE BRONX. From out of nothing, these KIDS created the MOST INFLUENTUAL MOVEMENT IN THE WORLD TODAY.

BELIEVE, HOPE and FORGIVNESS , 3 Virtues taught by FREEMASONS. It just so happens that the first letter in each B H and F also represents BAM, HERC and FLASH.


The Kabalahist 3 Suns


My 3 Suns


IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD... WORD? WORD !

The 7th Annual Hiphop Appreciation Week - ATLANTA
www.hhaw.com

observer said:

GTO-
I'm interested to hear more of your ideas connecting hip hop to the Ancient Mystery System. Please elaborate.

[theman]

GTO said:

After I left the Nuwaubian Nation, I was on the verge of being an Atheist and didnt believe or have faith in shit. The only thing I knew in depth information on was Nuwaubian and Hiphop. I knew for years about the Spiritual connection in Hiphop with Ancient Cultures as far as the Rituals. It was not until I was going thru a book that had a diagram of the Solar System and I said to my self "Yo, This diagram looks just like a record".

I remember in the scriptures it speaks of the Hand of God. I knew the Kabalah and Freemasons called it YOD. God is the Creator of All Things. It just so happens that it was the DJ who was the Creator of Hiphop. I pictured the Hand of the DJ Moving the Record around just like God Keeping the Solar System in motion.

All Elements in a Solar System come from the Sun. The Sun is represented on the Label on the Record. The Record Label explains "chemical elements" that are on the records, just like all planets are composed of chemical elemets from the Sun. The Records is BLACK the only part with light is the Label. Much like our solar system.

A Record on a Turntable is a CIRCLE ON TOP OF A SQUARE.

A DJ uses 2 NEEDLES on top of 2 SQUARES like an Architect

The 2 Records represent the Spirutal and Physical Realm since both records are "vibrating" on same yet different wave patterns.

the DJ also represents the Foundation : EARTH because the EARTH is a SPHERE with a CORE like a RECORD.

the BREAK-BOY represents : WIND because of their movements. Also B-Boys wore WIND+BREAKERS.

The MC represents : FIRE because a REAL MC spits it.

THE WRITER represents : WATER because with out it being the primary element in their Cans or Markers, they can not express / relay text / bring things ( like walls) to life.


Like AUSAR AND AUSET and the VIRGIN Birth of HERU. Hiphop also was brought to life by a BROTHER ( Kool Herc) and SISTER ( Cindy Campbell) thru a VIRGIN BIRTH

Just like ISIS, The FRUIT she GAVE BIRTH TO was the SUN, CINDY was the PRIMARY Cause for the BIRTH of HIPHOP, if she did not ask HERC to throw her a party in 1971, who knows what would have happen

3 YEARS LATER in 1974 is recognized as the OFFICAL BIRTH of HIP HOP in CEDER PARK between the 2 PROJECT BUILDINGS ( THE BOAZ AND JACHIN )

And JUST LIKE JESUS in his day and time " a PROPHET is NEVER LOVED in his HOME." ( BLING BLING ). GO anywhere across the WORLD and you will see MORE TRUE SCHOOL HIP HOP then here in AMERICA.



Im in the process of starting the IHS or the INTEL HIPHOP SOCIETY. Its an Philosophical society that makes Positive Hiphop, Better.

The Society is something like a cross bred of Temple of Hiphop and Rosicrucians.

The Society has 3 CHAMBERS Each Chamber has either 3 , 5 or 7/9 Degrees. One must aspire to be a "SHEEPSKIN" / PEACEMAKER or a "BOMBER" / WARRIOR. Here is just an explanation of the 1st Chamber

DEGREE : 0
THE SHELLTOE ADIDAS . Walking in the Path of Light

PSALM 119:105 "“Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path”<br>
DEGREE : 1
THE NAME BUCKLE : ISAIAH 11: 5 “Righteousness shall be the belt of His loins, and faithfulness the belt of His waist”<br>
DEGREE: 2
The Bermuda Kangol : Ecclesiastes 9:13 “This wisdom I have also seen under the sun, and it seemed great to me” a KANGOL resembles a SUN on the Horison, In Ancient Egypt, the Pharoahs head Mame represented the Lion because of its color which was like the SUN. the Sun represents knowledge.

DEGREE: 3
The Cazal : Provers 22:12 "“The eyes of the LORD preserve knowledge, but He overthrows the words of the faithless” The Cazals were 2 Squares = 720 or Spiritual and Physical knowledge.

I do believe that Hiphop is from GOD and since CULTURE and RELIGION since ancient times were ONE. I have come to the conclusion that HIPHOP is MY RELIGION. LIKE a PHEONIX rising from the ASHES of HELL, HIPHOP was born in the MOST BURNT DOWN PLACE in AMERICAN in the 1970's : THE BRONX. From out of nothing, these KIDS created the MOST INFLUENTUAL MOVEMENT IN THE WORLD TODAY.

BELIEVE, HOPE and FORGIVNESS , 3 Virtues taught by FREEMASONS. It just so happens that the first letter in each B H and F also represents BAM, HERC and FLASH.


The Kabalahist 3 Suns


My 3 Suns


IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD... WORD? WORD !

The 7th Annual Hiphop Appreciation Week - ATLANTA
www.hhaw.com

Sound very familair to what York did to all the religions we practiced. Tied them all together.

Isn't this how sectism starts? make shit up because this shit is made up, not divine revelation. No disrespect.

[GTOM]

There is a Difference.

You dont see me calling my self "God of this Movement"

You dont see me claming that "I am Right and You are Wrong"

You dont see me "Having sex with little kids ( ah man I had to throw that one in )"

My Problem with YORK was not the Majority of the Doctrine, It was his SO CALLED DIVINITY. He kept Nuwaubians SPOOKED the FUCK OUT about who HE was which in RETURN gave the MEMBERS a FALSE PRECEPTION on WHO THEY were ( LU LU AMELU )

This is MY DIVINE REVELATION: Either you LIKE It or you DONT. There are OTHER PATHS to ENLIGHTMENT. REMEMBER, its not the SYMBOL thats IMPORTANT, but rather the message the Symbol relays to Man. I choose Hiphop as my Symbols. What is Your Culture in this DAY and TIME?

theman said:

Sound very familair to what York did to all the religions we practiced. Tied them all together.

Isn't this how sectism starts? make shit up because this shit is made up, not divine revelation. No disrespect.

[theman]

GTO said:

There is a Difference.

You dont see me calling my self "God of this Movement"

You dont see me claming that "I am Right and You are Wrong"

You dont see me "Having sex with little kids ( ah man I had to throw that one in )"

My Problem with YORK was not the Majority of the Doctrine, It was his SO CALLED DIVINITY. He kept Nuwaubians SPOOKED the FUCK OUT about who HE was which in RETURN gave the MEMBERS a FALSE PRECEPTION on WHO THEY were ( LU LU AMELU )

This is MY DIVINE REVELATION: Either you LIKE It or you DONT. There are OTHER PATHS to ENLIGHTMENT. REMEMBER, its not the SYMBOL thats IMPORTANT, but rather the message the Symbol relays to Man. I choose Hiphop as my Symbols. What is Your Culture in this DAY and TIME?

I identify with the egyptian culture because most of the things we do today come from it so I try and stick with the original.
I respect what u are trying to do and hopefully others will catch on and hiphop can make a 180 degree, becauseright now it is in the tubes.

[GTOM]

Hiphop as well as all cultural phenomons are extentions of the Ancient Egyptian Culture, But to say you identify with Ancient Egyptian Culture would not be right and exact. If you did a comparison with the way you do things and the way the ancient egyptians did things, you would find many differences.
For example: Do you wear pants? Do you wear wool? Do you speak their language or just english. Do you live in an adobe Clay Home? Will you be burried in a Pryamid? It really doesnt matter, Its all Our Culture.

Just like METU NTR , I know people today who still cant read the writing on the walls.

"The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls"

theman said:

I identify with the egyptian culture because most of the things we do today come from it so I try and stick with the original.
I respect what u are trying to do and hopefully others will catch on and hiphop can make a 180 degree, becauseright now it is in the tubes.

[chephren]

HipHop is prophetical especially the Old School. GrandMaster Melle Mel penned a rap in the tune 'Beat Street Breakdown" more prophetical than books of The Bible! Here's a sample:

"A newspaper burns in the sand, and the headlines say.."Man destroys Man"
Extra! Extra! Read all the bad news on the war for peace that everybody would lose
The rise and fall, the last great empire, the sound of the whole world caught on fire
The game that left the whole world in shambles
The cheats, the lies, the alibis
And the foolish attempt to conquer the skies
Lost in space and what is it worth?
The President just forgot about Earth
Spending multi billions and maybe even trillions
The cost of weapons ran into zillions
There's gold in the street, and diamonds under feet
And the children in Africa don't even eat
Flies on their faces they're living like mice
And the houses even make the ghetto look nice
The water tastes funny..It's forever too sunny
And they work all month and don't make no money
A fight for power, a nuclear shower
And people shout out in the darkest hour
Of sights unseen and voices unheard
And finally THE BOMB gets THE LAST WORD
Christians killed Muslims and Germans killed Jews
And everbody's BODIES are used and abused
Minds are poisoned and souls are polluted
Superiority complex is deep rooted
Leeches and lice and people GOT PRICES
EGOMANIACS control the self righteous
NOTHING IS SACRED AND NOTHING IS PURE
So the REVELATION OF DEATH IS OUR CURE
Hitler and Caesar, Custer and Reagan
Napoleon, Castro, Mussolini, and Begin
Ghenghis Khan and the Shah of Iran
MIXED WITH BLOOD OF THE WEAKER MAN
The people's in terror, THE LEADERS MAKE ERROR
And now they can't even look in the mirror
Cause we gotta SUFFER while things get Rougher
And that's the the reason why we got to get tougher
To learn from the past and work for the future
And don't be a SLAVE to no COMPUTER
Cause the children of Man inherits THE LAND
And the future of the world is in your hands
So just throw your hands in the air And wave'em like you just don't care
And if you believe that you're the future
Scream it out and say OH YEAH!!!

Now that's prophecy that's 20 years old and relevant!
Of relevance:

"A FIGHT FOR POWER, A NUCLEAR SHOWER"
"AND PEOPLE SHOUT OUT IN THE DARKEST HOUR"
"OF SIGHTS UNSEEN AND VOICES UNHEARD"
"AND FINALLY THE BOMB GETS THE LAST WORD"

There was a hyper-technical Nuclear War in the days of the ANCIENTS in Egypt and Sumeria the reason so many Ancient cities have been unearthed...Unlike nowadays the ANCIENTS knew how to clean up the atmosphere after such sophisticated weaponry use...We're headed that way Melle Mel just disguised this with Hip-Hop moor on this later! Respects...

[BalkisII]

I would like to thank you both for some excellent informations that I will be passing on to my son, who now at 18, is begining to search for knowledge, and also is interested in Hip Hop. It is good to know that there is some good information he can look into, something that this generation can understand.

This is especially good, since his only reference point is the gold and black book put out by york, which I've told him he can read for information, however to be aware that there is much more information out there.

Now at least, I can point him in the way of some good information, and I've been sending him the links that are posted here by the both of you and others on this board that leads to some excellent and indept knowledge, that would help him along his path in life.

Again, much thanks and respect to ALL of you on this board!!!!

[GTOM]

DAMN this is so PROPHETICAL! I never really listen to the words in that Rhyme. ( I think i was too distracted wondering why Suger Hill put Punk Rock Looking Homos to replace Members of the Furious Five who left )

I THink MELLE MEL was an MAHDI PATCH WEARING ANSAAR also.

chephren said:

HipHop is prophetical especially the Old School. GrandMaster Melle Mel penned a rap in the tune 'Beat Street Breakdown" more prophetical than books of The Bible! Here's a sample:

"A newspaper burns in the sand, and the headlines say.."Man destroys Man"
Extra! Extra! Read all the bad news on the war for peace that everybody would lose
The rise and fall, the last great empire, the sound of the whole world caught on fire
The game that left the whole world in shambles
The cheats, the lies, the alibis
And the foolish attempt to conquer the skies
Lost in space and what is it worth?
The President just forgot about Earth
Spending multi billions and maybe even trillions
The cost of weapons ran into zillions
There's gold in the street, and diamonds under feet
And the children in Africa don't even eat
Flies on their faces they're living like mice
And the houses even make the ghetto look nice
The water tastes funny..It's forever too sunny
And they work all month and don't make no money
A fight for power, a nuclear shower
And people shout out in the darkest hour
Of sights unseen and voices unheard
And finally THE BOMB gets THE LAST WORD
Christians killed Muslims and Germans killed Jews
And everbody's BODIES are used and abused
Minds are poisoned and souls are polluted
Superiority complex is deep rooted
Leeches and lice and people GOT PRICES
EGOMANIACS control the self righteous
NOTHING IS SACRED AND NOTHING IS PURE
So the REVELATION OF DEATH IS OUR CURE
Hitler and Caesar, Custer and Reagan
Napoleon, Castro, Mussolini, and Begin
Ghenghis Khan and the Shah of Iran
MIXED WITH BLOOD OF THE WEAKER MAN
The people's in terror, THE LEADERS MAKE ERROR
And now they can't even look in the mirror
Cause we gotta SUFFER while things get Rougher
And that's the the reason why we got to get tougher
To learn from the past and work for the future
And don't be a SLAVE to no COMPUTER
Cause the children of Man inherits THE LAND
And the future of the world is in your hands
So just throw your hands in the air And wave'em like you just don't care
And if you believe that you're the future
Scream it out and say OH YEAH!!!

Now that's prophecy that's 20 years old and relevant!
Of relevance:

"A FIGHT FOR POWER, A NUCLEAR SHOWER"
"AND PEOPLE SHOUT OUT IN THE DARKEST HOUR"
"OF SIGHTS UNSEEN AND VOICES UNHEARD"
"AND FINALLY THE BOMB GETS THE LAST WORD"

There was a hyper-technical Nuclear War in the days of the ANCIENTS in Egypt and Sumeria the reason so many Ancient cities have been unearthed...Unlike nowadays the ANCIENTS knew how to clean up the atmosphere after such sophisticated weaponry use...We're headed that way Melle Mel just disguised this with Hip-Hop moor on this later! Respects...