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Post by Ralph on Feb 6, 2004 15:00:55 GMT -5
I think you are misinterpreting the quote. This very statement (don't believe me check it out) puts you in the public domain. Knowledge is external, which is the realm of DOCTRINE. However, truth is internal. I hope this helps. Damn, So if I steal someone elses shit, is that all I have to say? Don't believe me check it out?   That is nothing more than ZERO scholarship. He stole Atun-Re, my brother and that aint kool..... Have you ever done an original research paper, that you spend hours, days and months researching? I had it happen to me, and I was not too please about it. If that person who stole from me would have said, Don't believe me check it out, my old self would have checked him right on the spot. It is stealing my brother and there is not way around it..... |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Feb 6, 2004 15:01:36 GMT -5
Like i just said.. you are suggesting that it is ok to copy someone else's work word for word and pass it off as my own- justifying it by saying "dont believe me-check it out" .. blah blah blah.. I think you are misinterpreting the quote. This very statement (don't believe me check it out) puts you in the public domain. Knowledge is external, which is the realm of DOCTRINE. However, truth is internal. I hope this helps. |
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Post by NAR on Feb 6, 2004 15:18:50 GMT -5
I respect your opinion...  Damn, So if I steal someone elses shit, is that all I have to say? Don't believe me check it out? That is nothing more than ZERO scholarship. He stole Atun-Re, my brother and that aint kool..... Have you ever done an original research paper, that you spend hours, days and months researching? I had it happen to me, and I was not too please about it. If that person who stole from me would have said, Don't believe me check it out, my old self would have checked him right on the spot. It is stealing my brother and there is not way around it..... |
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Post by NAR on Feb 6, 2004 15:25:16 GMT -5
A true prophet (nebu) takes the divine expressions and in turn expresses them to his/her kemunity. Nebu Atun Re Like i just said.. you are suggesting that it is ok to copy someone else's work word for word and pass it off as my own- justifying it by saying "dont believe me-check it out" .. blah blah blah.. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Feb 6, 2004 15:38:15 GMT -5
You are still missing the point.. he is still not giving credit where it is due.. you can play on words however you like .. its not right and it's dishonest.. and a " dont believe me-check it out" is not sufficient.. some man spends 50 years on research.. writes a paper/book on it.. another man comes along and copies it word for word and ends it with " dont believe me-check it out" .. do you seriously think that man that did the original work is going to be ok with that? I think not. Those who are following this man- how can they check it out (based on what your reasoning is) if he doesnt list his sources?? They wouldn't know where to go to find it.. and more often than not would not locate that original source to know that it was COPIED!! To me the phrase "dont believe me-check it out" is telling the reader that there are other sources with similar information.. it isn't letting the reader know that he copied someone else's hard work and research.. i dont care how you spin it.. what words you try to twist around.. dishonesty is dishonesty- no two ways about it. A true prophet (nebu) takes the divine expressions and in turn expresses them to his/her kemunity. Nebu Atun Re |
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Post by SatiyaH on Feb 6, 2004 16:20:26 GMT -5
Plagiarism is when someone uses another's idea, opinion, or theory in a way that would benefit them, without giving the originator credit. In the Holy Tablets there are pictures, ideas, theories, and verbatim text STOLEN from other writers!
The information can be heard, seen, explained, etc... it doesn't really matter how you acquire it, if someone fabricated it before you did, it's not yours, and you have no rights to claim it as such!
If he would have simply said "Robert Bauval had an interesting idea, however I would like to expound on it" it would have solved a whole lot of issues--however, York liked to take all the credit for himself claiming "76 trillion years of knowledge".
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Post by Ralph on Feb 6, 2004 16:43:49 GMT -5
Plagiarism is when someone uses another's idea, opinion, or theory in a way that would benefit them, without giving the originator credit. In the Holy Tablets there are pictures, ideas, theories, and verbatim text STOLEN from other writers! The information can be heard, seen, explained, etc... it doesn't really matter how you acquire it, if someone fabricated it before you did, it's not yours, and you have no rights to claim it as such! If he would have simply said "Robert Bauval had an interesting idea, however I would like to expound on it" it would have solved a whole lot of issues--however, York liked to take all the credit for himself claiming "76 trillion years of knowledge". With all that knowledge, can he think how to get out of Sills House? |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Feb 6, 2004 16:47:04 GMT -5
yes and his followers explain it away by saying that he ended it with " dont believe me, check it out for yourself".. Plagiarism is when someone uses another's idea, opinion, or theory in a way that would benefit them, without giving the originator credit. In the Holy Tablets there are pictures, ideas, theories, and verbatim text STOLEN from other writers! The information can be heard, seen, explained, etc... it doesn't really matter how you acquire it, if someone fabricated it before you did, it's not yours, and you have no rights to claim it as such! If he would have simply said "Robert Bauval had an interesting idea, however I would like to expound on it" it would have solved a whole lot of issues--however, York liked to take all the credit for himself claiming "76 trillion years of knowledge". |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Feb 6, 2004 17:21:53 GMT -5
I wasnt aware of this. I will do the necessary investigation and get back at you on this one Atun Re. And it aint over till the jeho so fat! sings!!!  Peace Everyone, The same year (AD 1995) that the First Holy Tablets came out is the same Year that the URANTIA foundation LOST ITS COPYRIGHT to the URANTIA book. www.watchman.org/profile/urantiapro.htm |
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Post by ~Black Lotus~ on Feb 6, 2004 22:22:31 GMT -5
A copyright is a protection of the author against others copying their work....what are you talking about? It's the same thing with music, the copyright protects you from people "copying" your songs with out the "right" or your permission thus you have the "right" to sue. I know that the book is plagiarized, you know the book is plagiarized stop the games.... HTP Black Lotus peace BL, Ralph Blum was granted the legal RIGHT to COPY. Hence, the term copyright. So, where did Ralph Blum get (copy) his outformation? A copyright legally grants the writer(s) to plagiarise and to usurp what was already common knowledge. It is like the story of the Hindoo dyaus-nahusha and the Tolteca quetzalcoatl. |
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Post by ~Black Lotus~ on Feb 6, 2004 22:29:07 GMT -5
Exactly, here's a prime example: E.A. Wallis Budge's translation of the Book of Coming Forth By Day. The copyright has beenexpired and now there are numerous reprints by publishing companies basically using his translation and putting it in a new cover. Black Lotus Peace to you Atun-Re.. putting the technicalities aside.. what about SITING THE SOURCES?? when you use other's work for research you are supposed to site ALL your sources and give them credit for all of their work that was used.. as I think Kah said.. that is what the important thing here.. that and taking someone's ENTIRE book or publication and passing it off as your own is a little more than using something as a "reference".. it's like comparing a papercut to heart bypass surgury.. and back to the technicalities.. as far as congress securing the copyright for a "limited time".. ok i grant you that.. but lets consider integrity.. hypothetically someone could have copywritten something a 100 yrs ago and their copyright has since expired.. and joe blow can come along in 2004 and plagerize that person's work passing it off as their own.. yes legally they can do that.. but what's more important is that morally it's wrong.. and it's dishonest.. and i CERTAINLY would not follow someone that demonstrates those sort of qualities on such a large scale.. yes we are human and fallible.. but gimme a break.. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Feb 6, 2004 22:31:15 GMT -5
thank you black lotus.. i was at wit's end trying to reason with this person.. but you can't reason with the unreasonable.. A copyright is a protection of the author against others copying their work....what are you talking about? It's the same thing with music, the copyright protects you from people "copying" your songs with out the "right" or your permission thus you have the "right" to sue. I know that the book is plagiarized, you know the book is plagiarized stop the games.... HTP Black Lotus |
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Post by ~Black Lotus~ on Feb 6, 2004 22:36:26 GMT -5
 No problem.... Truth is truth, right? Black Lotus thank you black lotus.. i was at wit's end trying to reason with this person.. but you can't reason with the unreasonable.. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Feb 6, 2004 22:45:09 GMT -5
that's what im screamin!!  but he keeps double talking and trying to justify the unjustifiable by technicalities and semantics.. nuwaubians do that alot.. try to point out the original use of the word to back up some sort of shakey point.. fact is ... there are more important things to think about.. and besides.. this is 2004.. what we say today and what we said back in jesus' time is two entirely different things.. and besides ALL THAT .. like you said.. truth is truth.. i dont care if he said " dont believe me... blah blah blah".. fact remains that NO SOURCES WERE SITED.. that's just an empty excuse to explain the injustice away.. no matter how you slice it.. he has lied, he has plagarized, he has been dishonest all around. No problem.... Truth is truth, right? Black Lotus |
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Post by BalkisII on Feb 7, 2004 8:36:35 GMT -5
Very true Courtney, truth IS truth. He hears you alright, but either he's just  , OR just COVERING what he knows to be TRUE SHAMEFULL   that's what im screamin!! but he keeps double talking and trying to justify the unjustifiable by technicalities and semantics.. nuwaubians do that alot.. try to point out the original use of the word to back up some sort of shakey point.. fact is ... there are more important things to think about.. and besides.. this is 2004.. what we say today and what we said back in jesus' time is two entirely different things.. and besides ALL THAT .. like you said.. truth is truth.. i dont care if he said "dont believe me... blah blah blah".. fact remains that NO SOURCES WERE SITED.. that's just an empty excuse to explain the injustice away.. no matter how you slice it.. he has lied, he has plagarized, he has been dishonest all around. |
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