Was Malachi Coerced into a gulity plea?

[CoUrTnEy]

you ever heard that saying that "even the devil tells partial truth".. that is in order to fool you into believing him.. then he's "got" you.. you cant use a few extraneous things to make up the entire character of a person.. it's the overall picture you need to look at.. that is like cigarettes.. some people claim they calm there nerves (which is a good thing) however in the end a majority of the time they damage the body and even kill people.. so would one say that cigarettes are good just for the small fact that it does calms some peoples nerves? no - i dont think so.. that's just my take on it.. not tryin to get a another big debate started.

kAH said:

Please sistah BalkisII do not get me wrong. I am not trying to disclaim the allegations made by you or anyone else with a stake in this trial. My position at this point and time is I have no right as an outsider to pass judgment. I did so before but I already explained my alterior motives for it. I was wrong and moved on.

As far as the "leader" title well no matter what, he did LEAD MANY and MANY can and have attested to a positive learning experience from following him. I only said leader because that is how he is viewed by those who adhere to his teachings. I dont want you to think I was giving him some type of accolade as if he did something for me (the man was never my master or righteous teacher). I was merely acknowledging him from what has been said on his behalf by his followers willing to confirm and substantiate his leadership. Sorta like a reporter who reports on leaders of hamas killed by Israelis. The reporter refers to these hamas heads as spiritual leaders. Not to say they were spiritual leaders of the reporter. Rather they were spiritual leaders accepted as such by those who followed them.

peace sistah

[BalkisII]

CoUrTnEy said:

you ever heard that saying that "even the devil tells partial truth".. that is in order to fool you into believing him.. then he's "got" you.. you cant use a few extraneous things to make up the entire character of a person.. it's the overall picture you need to look at.. that is like cigarettes.. some people claim they calm there nerves (which is a good thing) however in the end a majority of the time they damage the body and even kill people.. so would one say that cigarettes are good just for the small fact that it does calms some peoples nerves? no - i dont think so.. that's just my take on it.. not tryin to get a another big debate started.

Excellent comparison!

It's ALL good getting some responses going up in here. ;D

[CoUrTnEy]

why thank you *bowing*

BalkisII said:

Excellent comparison!

It's ALL good getting some responses going up in here. ;D

[ELTRUTH]

Master-9 said:

Just look at these young boys, do they looked abused to you?

those boys at the bottom are not living on the land, and those black and white pics of the kids WAS not taken by outsiders - those are people living on the land personal pictures- so STOP FRONTING

[TumRe]

Hotep kah,

Now you see when you are impartial and you do say the right thing, the calvary turns on you.

[SatiyaH]

The title "leader" gets misunderstood. York was a leader in a sense of leading a cause. HE had a mission, and he led that mission--he didn't lead a people. He ran a business-strictly business with free labor. That was said in trial on the part of his own defense attorney and accountant. He had oppurtunity to call it a church, religion or school but he told his accountant--this is a business. That should have said much to all of you!
Ansaaruallah Inc., Holy Tabernacle Ministries Inc. etc.


As far as Kah's statement. I truly recognize the position your line of work puts you in, but as a parent--if you were driving my child and he/she came home and said you "touched" her or fondled her, kissed her, groped her, had sex with her---it will take all my might not to show up on your bus and kill you...however, I am a strong person and I will more than likely call the police and my attorney and start the wheels of justice turning.
The wheels of justice are on the favor of the accused---York was innocent until proven guilty by way of mouth and trial. The burden of proof is upon the prosecution to show evidence which they did. I would like to reiterate the most compelling statement for me:
During the trial a young man took the stand and went into explicit detail. The prosecution hit it on the nose--what young man would stand up in front of a group of people and "admit" that happend to him! He admitted that he was sodomized--can you imagine how shamed he felt! Can you imagine how hard it is to tell that to people? Would you? Right now, if you walked down the street and was snatched into and alley and got butt fucked would you come on here tomorrow and say "hey, guess what happend to me yesterday!" Hell nah...and you probably wouldn't even call the police until it ate at you for so long that you just couldn't take it anymore!

[CoUrTnEy]

sati- i see what you mean about the title of leader.. and i guess one must explain what is meant when using that word because of the general connotation of the word that is understood.. to me when i read that i thought of "right", "just", "righteous" in relation to that word- which of course i dont think applies to York. But Tum no one has turned on Kah.. or anyone else for that matter.. just reacting to his statement.. and of course there are those on here directly affected by York and they would naturally respond in such a way if they feel that York is being put up on a pedestle that he doesnt deserve.

SatiyaH said:

The title "leader" gets misunderstood. York was a leader in a sense of leading a cause. HE had a mission, and he led that mission--he didn't lead a people. He ran a business-strictly business with free labor. That was said in trial on the part of his own defense attorney and accountant. He had oppurtunity to call it a church, religion or school but he told his accountant--this is a business. That should have said much to all of you!
Ansaaruallah Inc., Holy Tabernacle Ministries Inc. etc.


As far as Kah's statement. I truly recognize the position your line of work puts you in, but as a parent--if you were driving my child and he/she came home and said you "touched" her or fondled her, kissed her, groped her, had sex with her---it will take all my might not to show up on your bus and kill you...however, I am a strong person and I will more than likely call the police and my attorney and start the wheels of justice turning.
The wheels of justice are on the favor of the accused---York was innocent until proven guilty by way of mouth and trial. The burden of proof is upon the prosecution to show evidence which they did. I would like to reiterate the most compelling statement for me:
During the trial a young man took the stand and went into explicit detail. The prosecution hit it on the nose--what young man would stand up in front of a group of people and "admit" that happend to him! He admitted that he was sodomized--can you imagine how shamed he felt! Can you imagine how hard it is to tell that to people? Would you? Right now, if you walked down the street and was snatched into and alley and got butt fucked would you come on here tomorrow and say "hey, guess what happend to me yesterday!" Hell nah...and you probably wouldn't even call the police until it ate at you for so long that you just couldn't take it anymore!

[SatiyaH]

Master9--name just ONE business headed by York that truly reached outside of the Nuwaubian community to bring money in. Let me explain--he had a record company, but the music and theme was geared toward Nuwaubians. He had clothing line (Kin to Ben York etc.) but that was also geared toward Nuwaubians. The bookstores--geared toward Nuwaubians. Who was buying all the stuff? Nuwaubians and a handfull of so-called "outsiders" or regular folk. There were no restaurants owned by him (some Nuwaubians may have had some, but I'm talking about him). The apartment building he owned was rented to Nuwaubians. Sounds great---but it's stupid. It's like this: say you have 500 members total (I'm sure there are more, but I want to explain this as simply as possible). All 500 members come to Tamare and stand outside--York comes out and says "I gotta great way to make money---check out this shiny necklace--it cost $50.00!" All ya'll rush up to buy it. What happend? Well, York just made: $25,000.00. It was a great way for HIM to make money. He made money of of Nuwaubians--he didn't reach out to bring money in and keep it in--he reached only to you all!
But lo, I doubt you'll ever see it.....
Hey, did your house on Tamare ever go up?

[ELTRUTH]

i think also as PERENTS if u are around your childrend ona day to day basis- as u should be- u get to know your child what they are capable of what they are not, and if u have open and honest relastionship with your child they will have one back with u. if u 'censor' what you have them say- they will 'censor' what they say. and no 2 people are alike- i think that is very baised to say that 'girls usally lie' about stuff like that- that is like a few years ago reading an article that stated there was more males being raped- but males are more ashamed to admit it. and to say the girls are normally lieng- sends a message to sick bastards like doc who feel he can do what he want and get away with it- becasue of his reputation. no one is doubt what little 'truths' there was in the books- but its just that it wasnt his own it was plagerized, and he didnt write them book on his own. he just use the knowlegde that balck people dont read combined with his charismatic nature to manipulate people. he always said it was about the banjamis. so if someone was to steal milk from a baby and give it to u when your hungry- does it make them good since they quenched your thirst- even thought it was STOLEN from another?or what about the many teachers, priests, proffesors, and 'dominante' figures using there power to manipulate and abuse and sexual abuse others- is it okay becasue of their tittle? that doesnt take away from the crime done- IT MAKES IT WORSE!.this is a board for debate and voicing ones own opions and sharing their own stores- so there really isnt a need to 'defend' someone else belife- they can do it themselves- so its seems to me that 'tumre' is acting as the devils advocate to incite something that isnt there. if u aggree with kah- then so be it- but there is not need to incite something.
ther are times when childrend lie- sometimes they are told to- good example is when elijah got up on the stand and was running his 'story' so fast they had to tell him to SLOW down. do u realy think in this day and time and with all this publicity going- that a cop is going to put a 'gun in babies face to stop them from crying'? PLUS if a baby doesnt know about guns ro the harm in guns - why would the 'site of it make them stop' and why would the 'take their food' they get lunch- unlike the adults there on the land- that part made it sound so silly.

[kAHANyAH]

Peace TumRe.

Hey I aint got no beef against the sistah/s on the board who are involved with the case in a personal way. And I can understand their position. I am just expressing mine, thats all.

TumRe said:

Hotep kah,

Now you see when you are impartial and you do say the right thing, the calvary turns on you.

[chephren]

York initially plead guilty and then had the right after the Judge thought the "plea deal" was too soft to recant his guilty plea rendering a trial! During the trial he had the opportunity to take the stand and rejected it and was found "guilty"! Now after all of this 1 recanted guilty plea, a guilty conviction, a guilty conviction plea by "spouse" Kathy Johnson, (we're up to 3 GUILTY's) he can still appeal eventhough the State of Georgia awaits York to be trialed! This is a huge burden to flip the script! To the Nuwaubian faithful (respects) how will York alter this tide of Guilty's!!!

[kAHANyAH]

The term "learder" is a generic term. Hitler was a leader. Stalin was a leader. Simyaza was a leader (leader of the renegade angelics). Jesus christ was a leader. MLK was a leader. Marcus Garvey was a leader. Our prez Bush is a leader ::: I say that with sarcasm :::. The definition ascribes no virtue to a leader. There are good leaders as well as bad leaders. Nonetheless, they lead.

MZYork was [and still is] a leader of a movement. That statement is a TRUTHFUL statement. Maybe you dont agree with his tactics maybe you do but at the end of the day you got to admit he is leading a flock.

peace.

[Ralph]

SatiyaH said:

The title "leader" gets misunderstood. York was a leader in a sense of leading a cause. HE had a mission, and he led that mission--he didn't lead a people. He ran a business-strictly business with free labor. That was said in trial on the part of his own defense attorney and accountant. He had oppurtunity to call it a church, religion or school but he told his accountant--this is a business. That should have said much to all of you!
Ansaaruallah Inc., Holy Tabernacle Ministries Inc. etc.


As far as Kah's statement. I truly recognize the position your line of work puts you in, but as a parent--if you were driving my child and he/she came home and said you "touched" her or fondled her, kissed her, groped her, had sex with her---it will take all my might not to show up on your bus and kill you...however, I am a strong person and I will more than likely call the police and my attorney and start the wheels of justice turning.
The wheels of justice are on the favor of the accused---York was innocent until proven guilty by way of mouth and trial. The burden of proof is upon the prosecution to show evidence which they did. I would like to reiterate the most compelling statement for me:
During the trial a young man took the stand and went into explicit detail. The prosecution hit it on the nose--what young man would stand up in front of a group of people and "admit" that happend to him! He admitted that he was sodomized--can you imagine how shamed he felt! Can you imagine how hard it is to tell that to people? Would you? Right now, if you walked down the street and was snatched into and alley and got butt fucked would you come on here tomorrow and say "hey, guess what happend to me yesterday!" Hell nah...and you probably wouldn't even call the police until it ate at you for so long that you just couldn't take it anymore!

Sounds to me that he was in the business of SHARECROPPING

[Ralph]

Atun-Re said:

Peace GTO,

We are all connected to something and we are all related in someway. The same idea can be applied to knowledge, which is external. The ability to stitch this knowledge is paramount to memory.

A copyright simply means “a right to copy,” “a power to imitate.” This is contrary to something original. This notion is liken to the dynam-ism of the genetic blueprint for life, DNA and mRNA. The genetic information contained in each living cell is like an encyclopedia of coded knowledge, with an infinite magical capacity to copy itself (recall that when a portion of a DNA molecule unzips, it is ready for copying, in which mRNA transcribes DNA within the nucleus and links up with tRNA to create growing chains (silsilah) of amino acids to stitch proteins, the building blocks of life). The subtle difference with DNA and mRNA is that in the latter, Uracil replaces Thymine. So you see there is a conscious sense of “plagiary” going on at the cellular level. Also, this same type of “plagiary” is on going through and through the quantum universe (quantum plagiary). Therefore, I ask: are the gods guilty of plagiary!?

...And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it... ---Gen 1 v 24-31

I am not saying that Malachi transcribed his information from the Urantia papers and into the original 1995 edition Holy Tablets (I was among the first ones to receive it at the age of twenty-five (2+5 = 7)). However, the faithful but not true are saying otherwise. If that is indeed true then you would have to asked yourself the intimate quest-ion: where did the author of the Urantia papers get his information? On a personal note, I am confident that the Holy Tablets is a divine inspiration from Great Spirit. Its dawning was necessary to speed up the brains of the Nawab (the successor, the deputies) at that instant in time (1995 = 24 = 888 = IESOUS) for a renewal had been under way. Like DNA, truth never leaves the nucleus.

Nebu Atun-Re (NAR)
Nine to the ninth power of nine
The Nubian number

Nar stated: "A copyright simply means “a right to copy,” “a power to imitate.”
Nar, I have watched your quotes here for the last few months, with this quote, you have got to be kidding me! Copyright covers your azz against those who may try and make money off your research. Where the hell did you get that definition from???

[BalkisII]

You are right Kah in that respect, he IS leading a flock, so therefore a leader in that right!