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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 26, 2004 21:58:47 GMT -5
Here's the thing and I agree with Knaxem about Adam in the first chp. being called ZAKAR. Zakar (as well as Adam) is both name proper and adjective
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Post by 1dell on Mar 26, 2004 22:02:43 GMT -5
Dayum bro, lol, then how do you justify everything that is male and everyone that is male, the hebrew word Zakar is being used for them? I wish yall would stop trying to be so deep and mystical when we are dealing with plain as the nose on your face type of stuff. Here's the thing and I agree with Knaxem about Adam in the first chp. being called ZAKAR. Zakar (as well as Adam) is both name proper and adjective |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 26, 2004 23:08:55 GMT -5
1dell, the contxt. it is being used in. Dayum bro, lol, then how do you justify everything that is male and everyone that is male, the hebrew word Zakar is being used for them? I wish yall would stop trying to be so deep and mystical when we are dealing with plain as the nose on your face type of stuff. |
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Post by KnaxemDead on Mar 26, 2004 23:14:07 GMT -5
That's exactly right Kah, you was intune with me. You spoke my words for me. 1dell obviously insinuated more than what I stated. I stated "we" cannot just stay within the hebrew meaning. That's all nothing deep 1dell.
Derek wrote:
"...we can not just stay within the hebrew meaning 'MALE', ignoring an earlier usage of Zakar"
to further perplex the situation Genesis 5:2
Gen 5:2
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
To set this straight, Adam here means 'Earthlings'.
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Post by KnaxemDead on Mar 27, 2004 0:00:48 GMT -5
Adam dwelled amongst the Elohim in the Garden of Eden. At the time Nekaybaw was pregnant still the Elohim evicted both Zakar and her from the Garden. She later had two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel, before she could have Seth. Nekaybaw appointed[/] (Shiyth) her son Seth (Genesis 4:25)
This goes right back to answer the question stated early on in this thread 'Creation Account', that
Bara-Shiyth , Shiyth in hebrew implies 'assignment or appointment'. So on each of those days was not that he created it, but appointed and assigned the functions for filling (Bara) of the Earth. Once chapter 1&2 of Genesis is abridged concluding with chapter 5, does the reader understand how Seth was Appointed as HEAD Chief (Ra-shiyth) for the tribe of Adamites. That power of authority was invested in Nekaybaw not Zakar.
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Post by 1dell on Mar 27, 2004 2:20:07 GMT -5
i see what you cats are saying i think, and yeah derek i agree with you that the garden was like Los Angeles, or City of Angels so to speak, I can even get down with the Zakar Neqakabah thang, but not really. We have words to reckon, Zakar / Neqakabah, Ish and Ishah. Its' been my experience with Ibry that Zakar speaks of male as in plural form as well as Neqakabah. Ish and Ishah speak of man/male and female/woman in singular form denoting gender. It sounds like you cats are up in here making it seem like we talkin about different people 'n things It's your mic derek...the mic is hot... That's exactly right Kah, you was intune with me. You spoke my words for me. 1dell obviously insinuated more than what I stated. I stated "we" cannot just stay within the hebrew meaning. That's all nothing deep 1dell. Derek wrote: "...we can not just stay within the hebrew meaning 'MALE', ignoring an earlier usage of Zakar" to further perplex the situation Genesis 5:2 Gen 5:2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. To set this straight, Adam here means 'Earthlings'. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 27, 2004 2:24:59 GMT -5
Another thing bro, we cannot put words and append meanings to thing beyond what the author intended to communicate. Seeing beyond the veil is one thing, but flat out putting words in a person's mouth is another That's exactly right Kah, you was intune with me. You spoke my words for me. 1dell obviously insinuated more than what I stated. I stated "we" cannot just stay within the hebrew meaning. That's all nothing deep 1dell. Derek wrote: "...we can not just stay within the hebrew meaning 'MALE', ignoring an earlier usage of Zakar" to further perplex the situation Genesis 5:2 Gen 5:2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. To set this straight, Adam here means 'Earthlings'. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 27, 2004 2:41:58 GMT -5
Actually thats the tricky situation bro where the translators translated that word one too many times. I'll show you what I am talking about soon 1dell, not to take up for Knaxem but come on mang! he can flip it on you and say 1dell says Adam is Adam's name. Thats it thats all. Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man [adam]: I guess all their names were Adam too.  |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 27, 2004 6:14:09 GMT -5
no man!! don't show me ish 'cause what ever you gone show me Knaxem can use the same argument. Save the drama fo yo mama! you got caught out there! wasn't paying attn and I had to come from behind and WOOOSHHHH!!! did a rock bottom, then a jesse the body ventura and on tops of that, a superfly jimmy shnooka move on ya!  Actually thats the tricky situation bro where the translators translated that word one too many times. I'll show you what I am talking about soon |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 27, 2004 6:33:26 GMT -5
Im'a give you yo credit Knaxemdead, you done did alot of homework and we can definitely build wit ya. A'ight lets deal with what you're saying here. I am wit you so far. And I can see the parallelism between Elohim's creation - " Barashiyth" and Neqabah's appointment - " shiyth". Lets not stop and further dissect... Elohim seem to focus more on the masculin [genesis], supporting my theory genesis 2nd. chp rep. castrasting the phallus [emasculating] and genesis 1st. If you look at the word Barashiyth , you have " Bar" which is to say SON [bar-jesus, bar-mitsvah, etc...]. However, this element is negated from the "appointment" [shiyth] of Neqabah. As if to say, the appointment of the woman is flawed ; lackin the son. Taking us back to the word "Tsela" [rib]... The woman was made from Adam's Tsela. Tsela is akin to Zelaph which means to "wound". So the appointment of Neqabah was not a divine plan nor an holy undertaking. And understand this, holiness and divinity relating to elohim's ber'shiyth. I want to now take apart the word Neqabah. Neqabah -> Neka + Abba = Kill the father. Nekabah embodies the story of SET [au'SET] who kills father Ausir [Isa]. Nekabah ushered in the MATRI ARCH. This further substantiates the two genesis tales. One inside the garden and the other outside. Gen 1 chp. deals wit outside the garden and it deals with the reproducing thru sex - geneologies. THAT IS EXCLUSIVE FEMALE RIGHT/RITE. It is her APPOINTMENT [ANOINTMENT]. Adam dwelled amongst the Elohim in the Garden of Eden. At the time Nekaybaw was pregnant still the Elohim evicted both Zakar and her from the Garden. She later had two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel, before she could have Seth. Nekaybaw appointed[/] (Shiyth) her son Seth (Genesis 4:25)
This goes right back to answer the question stated early on in this thread 'Creation Account', that
Bara-Shiyth , Shiyth in hebrew implies 'assignment or appointment'. So on each of those days was not that he created it, but appointed and assigned the functions for filling (Bara) of the Earth. Once chapter 1&2 of Genesis is abridged concluding with chapter 5, does the reader understand how Seth was Appointed as HEAD Chief (Ra-shiyth) for the tribe of Adamites. That power of authority was invested in Nekaybaw not Zakar. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 27, 2004 7:23:12 GMT -5
KnaxemDead, the pregnancy was the "they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons in the garden. It was proof Adam and the Woman had eaten the fruit of Da'ath and they've now borne this proof [pregnancy]. The fruit is creating thru sex. And just as a minor who disobeys her parents and engages in sexual activity, becoming pregnant and gets kicked out of the house, the woman [and Adam] get evicted from the gan of eden. Sexual creation is designed for the outter gan. It is now understood why Neqabah was appointed to have SETH. Seth is the aeiptian SET who castrates Ausir in order to bring in the matriarch - Auset raising Her-u in her likeness and image. Women establish the matri archy in the outter gan, hence they are called CHAVAH or HAWAH [y- HWH], that is to say mother of all living [chaiy]. Adam dwelled amongst the Elohim in the Garden of Eden. At the time Nekaybaw was pregnant still the Elohim evicted both Zakar and her from the Garden. She later had two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel, before she could have Seth. Nekaybaw appointed[/] (Shiyth) her son Seth (Genesis 4:25)
This goes right back to answer the question stated early on in this thread 'Creation Account', that
Bara-Shiyth , Shiyth in hebrew implies 'assignment or appointment'. So on each of those days was not that he created it, but appointed and assigned the functions for filling (Bara) of the Earth. Once chapter 1&2 of Genesis is abridged concluding with chapter 5, does the reader understand how Seth was Appointed as HEAD Chief (Ra-shiyth) for the tribe of Adamites. That power of authority was invested in Nekaybaw not Zakar. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 27, 2004 11:44:50 GMT -5
AW Hell naw!!! Nah Punk you can't have Jesse AND Jimmy Snooka!!! I thought I done told yall I got Jimmy Supa Fly Snooka on reserve, yall can't use him!!!! I am sure derek would be estatic to know that he finally has a fan, but dude, this info we are covering, we can debate,build or whatever you wanna call it in the Tome Cypher because this is where we start, Genesis Chapter 1. Like I said before typing this stuff twice is for the birds. But for those who think you can interchange Adam and man so easily, have less than an amateur knowledge of hebrew, Because when Humanity is being discussed using the name Adam, the conjugation of wording is different then when the word is being used speaking of a specific person. I thought you knew better bro. It'll all come out in the wash, ne'er you fret yo selph none. You should try interjecting Derek's logic instead of being turned to and fro by every wind of new doctrine. "For us to apprehend the meaning of Adam's name Zakar, we can not just stay within the hebrew meaning 'MALE', ignoring an earlier usage of Zakar in Akkadian version of The
Enuma Elish Tablet 1:3 ..."Zakrat" a stative form of the verb
"Zakaru"- to 'Speech, Speak, Pronounce, to Name'.
The name Zakar gives us fuller understanding as to why he Adam received this name. It tells us right in
Genesis 2:19 in part
brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.
He (Adapa/Adam) was taught how to 'rightly speak' by the Elohyim (Enqi). (Refer to Tale of Adapa)"Logically how does taking Zakar back to another language help us innerstand anything when in that language the word in that language supposedly means to speak, pronounce or name? Maybe I am missing something but we are talking about bisecting a species into 2 genders, one that is Male and the other that is female. So now we are saying that the males are really those who pronounce or those who are speakers? That doesn't even make sense. We are still talking about Genesis 1:27 aren't we? Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. So it should read... "speakers, prouncers namers and female created them?" Why does he just reconcile the word Zakar to another langauge and not Neqakabah? come on Dude, thats some ole Dr. York bull jank. That makes absolutely no sense. All that aint necessary. I agree with some of what he is saying and I didn't have to do all that diggin in the Enuma Elisha to do it. All one has to do is use what's there and read the rest of the book. Kah where are your scruples pal? Snap out of it. Here Bara-Shiyth, you and I both know this is not correct hebrew, it's a play on B'reshit made up of the article B' =in Rosh = First and the suffix -it. What makes it so dayum bad Kah is that "Seth" better spelled Set is Not even spelled Shiyth like derek is spelling it. I don't know where he got that from. lol. The word is spelled Sin Tau or ST with the phantom vowel -e- producing Set. So again we are just subjected to wrongness after wrongness. but hey yall deserve each other. Have fun, we aint making this no menage trois no man!! don't show me ish 'cause what ever you gone show me Knaxem can use the same argument. Save the drama fo yo mama! you got caught out there! wasn't paying attn and I had to come from behind and WOOOSHHHH!!! did a rock bottom, then a jesse the body ventura and on tops of that, a superfly jimmy shnooka move on ya! |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 27, 2004 13:01:46 GMT -5
Take yo beaten like a RICHARD SIMMONS HOMIE! now come back here and bend down dammit! I aint thru!. Now Lets peep the word B'reshith. preposition BA [in] + noun RESHITH [beginning]. 1dell you wrong bros. The word he cited is SHYITH which means "to set" [appoint] and is spelt SCHIN , YOD, TAU. Not no SCHIN, TAU. You forgot one letter [yod] homie. And the reason "yi" are placed in there is because the "Yod" is represented at times in the english with the "y" or "i" letter. A'ight I am thru now. And you took yo beating like a skank dick simmons!  LOL!!! Btw..., the scripture I gave you which used the word "man" in place of Adam. You still aint explaining why in hebrew it has ADM there since you wuz uptight and shizzle about the male [zekar] being found in other scripts. Youze forgot to make sure yo shizzle was covered cause man [adam] is also found in many scripts. You should have accepted my reasoning - hebraic words take on proper name and adjective forms at times, depending on the contxt. BALL IN YO COURT BUCKWHEAT! LOL!!! |
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Post by KnaxemDead on Mar 27, 2004 14:19:56 GMT -5
Genesis 4:25
Ben Qara Shem Sheth Elohim Shiyth Acher Zera Tachath Hebel Kiy Qayin Haraq
Wife of Adam (Hawwah) begat a Son called Seth, Elohim appointed him ‘Chief’ over the Tribe of Adamites, to replace Abel who Cain had murdered.
Paraphrased by Derek Hodge
What is important is to note that this scripture plays on the word Shiyth ‘to appoint, to set, to station’. Shiyth is the primitive root of the word SETH - ‘atone, compensate.’ When abridged with the word Bar-Shiyth, means Appointed Son, SETH. Whereas Adam and Hawwah had access to all the Elohiym in the garden. But having desecrated themselves, ‘Abel’ being murdered they offered up another son. Scripture tells us that Seth was after image and likeness of Adam, who is fashioned after the Elohiym. Seth than gave birth to Enosh – which is a 'mortal man'.
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 27, 2004 15:13:14 GMT -5
we're all over the board fellas. I think we need to slow down and deal with one specific word - B'RESHITH. KnaxemDead has made valid points referencing the following words BAR , SHIYTH => APPOINTED SON. And he went further, explaining SETH [from the prime root shiyth] as the consecrated [appointed] son which can be verified in Gen 4.25.
I have a question for you KnaxemDead. I recall somewhere you claiming the woman was chief [rosh] of the adamic clan because elohim appointed her. Is this correct ? Never mind. I found it in your post#169.
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