Gender of Angels

[kAHANyAH]

There was no attitude coming from her end. Her words were very cordial and respectful. She just didnt understand what you were talking 'bout. Neither did I . Probably what you are saying has bearing on the thread topic. It's just your communication/writing skills may not be up to par at effectively getting your thoughts across. I am sorry to say but it isnt anyone's fault for not being able to de-cipher your words. You are just too cryptic if you ask me.

To be honest chakatak, the only person with a Bit*h attitude is you. I was going to stay out of this but my conscience bade [plus 1dell gave me a lil nudge since he chimed in] me say something. Of course CoUrTnEy is well equiped to express herself and set the record straight. She doesnt need any of our help. PLUS SHE AN ADMIN HERE - incase you didnt know.

chakatak said:

I DIDNT LIKE THE ATTITUDE THROUGH THE POST ITS THE BITCH ATTITDUE AND I GOT THAT SAME ATTITUDE SO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TWO BITCHES GOT AN ATTITUDE SOMEONES EAR GETS BIT OFF, YOU KNOW LIKE MIKE TYSON.

[chakatak]

SHUT UP TALKING TO ME TRYING TO CORRECT ME DONT DO IT BUB DONT EVEN TRY, YEAH IM A BITCH THATS WHY IT TAKES A BITCH TO KNOW A BITCH....

KISS MY ASS .

Bel said:

There was no attitude coming from her end. Her words were very cordial and respectful. She just didnt understand what you were talking 'bout. Neither did I . Probably what you are saying has bearing on the thread topic. It's just your communication/writing skills may not be up to par at effectively getting your thoughts across. I am sorry to say but it isnt anyone's fault for not being able to de-cipher your words. You are just too cryptic if you ask me.

To be honest chakatak, the only person with a Bit*h attitude is you. I was going to stay out of this but my conscience bade [plus 1dell gave me a lil nudge since he chimed in] me say something. Of course CoUrTnEy is well equiped to express herself and set the record straight. She doesnt need any of our help. PLUS SHE AN ADMIN HERE - incase you didnt know.

[1dell]

B.S. Lin Lin. Courtney is a sweet person. She will not openly strike until provoked. Your intuition seems to be filtered thru your own person interpretation of things. Courtney said NOTHING to you offensive or deserving of you coming at her like you did.

It's not a bitch attitude, what it is is you can't seem to let a grudge go. I mean from day 1 you came at Courtney wrong for NO appearant reason! the ONLY reason you had a problem with Courtney is because You THOUGHT she had some interest in Kahanyah. I'm like JESUS CHRIST woman, Is there a pill on earth that you can take to get OVER that marriage and move on??? Why on EARTH do you torture yourself trying to re-live it every day??

Life is too short and the earth is too full of moor enjoyful things to focus on then trying to haunt a man for a marriage that you yourself played a part in ruining. You can't get those years back and TRYING to torment him and embarass him will be recompense enough. All you are going to do is magnify the misery and keep your mind on it, which will tear your body apart with affliction and you are doing it to yourself. the body can't withstand such negativity.

chakatak said:

I DIDNT LIKE THE ATTITUDE THROUGH THE POST ITS THE BITCH ATTITDUE AND I GOT THAT SAME ATTITUDE SO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TWO BITCHES GOT AN ATTITUDE SOMEONES EAR GETS BIT OFF, YOU KNOW LIKE MIKE TYSON.

[CoUrTnEy]

Thank you both, Kah and 1dell. Kah was right, I had no malice, just trying to figure out what you meant. I am all for learning and knowlege, but it's hard for me to learn if i dont understand where you are coming from or the point you are trying to make. I did attend college and I have a degree, but honestly that has not a thing to do with intelligence (which is where i believe you were going with that question). And I may not be Einstein, but I have a good head on my shoulders- that you can be sure. I see and have seen your attitude with kah, and I think 1dell expressed the same thoughts that i had. Take it from one woman to another, you can't hold on to resentments, it only gets in the way of the blessings that God has in store for you. And trust me, the only person you are making miserable is you.

[chakatak]

oh you seam like a wise ole owl hoot hoot.

CoUrTnEy said:

Thank you both, Kah and 1dell. Kah was right, I had no malice, just trying to figure out what you meant. I am all for learning and knowlege, but it's hard for me to learn if i dont understand where you are coming from or the point you are trying to make. I did attend college and I have a degree, but honestly that has not a thing to do with intelligence (which is where i believe you were going with that question). And I may not be Einstein, but I have a good head on my shoulders- that you can be sure. I see and have seen your attitude with kah, and I think 1dell expressed the same thoughts that i had. Take it from one woman to another, you can't hold on to resentments, it only gets in the way of the blessings that God has in store for you. And trust me, the only person you are making miserable is you.

[gamaliel]

Hey Courtney good to see U in charge again. This forum waz dead in your abscence. I posted sum things but without U here they went bellyup. Welcome back.

When my daughter asked me about angels, I knew I had to crush that Eurocentric image of angels forced on us from day 1. U know in those Bible stories theyre all blonde, blue-eyed with white robes with the standard 2 wings. I told her angels in their original appearence do not look human, but will appear in an image that we are comfortable with when delivering a mesage to us. As for UFO's, I kept it simple and told her they are bad angels who no longer dwell in Heaven and serve God. After that she had no more questions about them except do we become angels when we die. I told her no.

[1dell]

Do we become angels when we die? hmmm Some of us do some of us don't.

BLASPHEME 1dell!!! how dare you say that!!! where does the bible teach that?



YAWN, behold my exergesis on John the disciple of Ishua's angel worshipping fetish

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


NOw how is this person that John is about to worship?

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

From verse 17:1 to the place we found john falling down to worship, It's the same vision that this Angel is 17:1 is showing John. So anytime we see "he said" or "He showed..." Then it's refering to this angel who is showing John this vision that lasts for 3 chapters.

Who is this angel? Well in 17:1 he is described as an angel who possessed one of the 7 vials and a revealer of visions to John. Dayum, he is one of 7 which means he hold pretty high rank. He possesses one of the vials of God's wrath. Thats not something ANY old body is entrusted with. This is how John describes him. But how does the angel describe himself?

1) I am thy fellowservant
-He is a fellowservant so they have the same master yet perform different duties for this master.

2) and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God:
-WHOAH!!!! hold up!!! This angel of among the 7 that possess the vials of God's wrath is of John's brethren? what does that mean? John is a hebrew so to be of his brethren would mean that at one time this angel was a hebrew. And what is this angel doing with the Testimony of Jesus? That would have to mean that this angel was also at one time a preacher of the gospel? If that is the case then he was at one time an earthling who was a hebrew and a preacher of Jesus and to be a preacher of the gospel he would have had to have been a disciple (remember Ishua had moor than 12, he had hundreds) Before Ishua died he did say that he was leaving to prepare a place in his father's house for his disciples. Wow looked like this brother was employed right away.

3) for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
- hmmm Here we have the "Testimony of Jesus" defined for us. It's the spirit of prophecy. Meaning this angel is of the prophetic order just as John is.

I don't think many are very much interested in me completing this exergesis so I tried to keep it short.

But all in all what have we learned girls and boys? That John was about to worship an angel who was at one time an earthling.

Since the scripture is teaching this who then must we refashion our thinking? It goes like this, there is a certain angelic order made up of former humans.

Besides, what is an angel anyway? The hebrew word for Angel is M'lekh or spelled Malach. Do you see what I see? put an I on the end and you have Malachi which in hebrew means my Angel or My Messenger. oops I got ahead of myself. the word Malach/M'lekh means messenger. So when one had a message from God he was considered a M'lekh. I divine messenger. heck Prophets did that all the time which is no surprise this angel says "I am among your brethren who hold the testimony of jesus and the testimony of jesus is the spirit of prophetcy"

Oh back to what I was saying before. Malachi is also the name a religious leader chose for himself. So everytime a Nuwaubian says Malachi Z york. or Malachi Zodok York. They are really saying My angel of righteousness/truth/justice from the york family.

Which is why I will never call that man Malachi again. He is NOT my angel or my messenger of righteousness/justice and god KNOWS not truth.

gamaliel said:

Hey Courtney good to see U in charge again. This forum waz dead in your abscence. I posted sum things but without U here they went bellyup. Welcome back.

When my daughter asked me about angels, I knew I had to crush that Eurocentric image of angels forced on us from day 1. U know in those Bible stories theyre all blonde, blue-eyed with white robes with the standard 2 wings. I told her angels in their original appearence do not look human, but will appear in an image that we are comfortable with when delivering a mesage to us. As for UFO's, I kept it simple and told her they are bad angels who no longer dwell in Heaven and serve God. After that she had no more questions about them except do we become angels when we die. I told her no.

[kAHANyAH]

Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David [shall be] as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

[Zandor]

Nice!

1dell said:

Do we become angels when we die? hmmm Some of us do some of us don't.

BLASPHEME 1dell!!! how dare you say that!!! where does the bible teach that?



YAWN, behold my exergesis on John the disciple of Ishua's angel worshipping fetish

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


NOw how is this person that John is about to worship?

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

From verse 17:1 to the place we found john falling down to worship, It's the same vision that this Angel is 17:1 is showing John. So anytime we see "he said" or "He showed..." Then it's refering to this angel who is showing John this vision that lasts for 3 chapters.

Who is this angel? Well in 17:1 he is described as an angel who possessed one of the 7 vials and a revealer of visions to John. Dayum, he is one of 7 which means he hold pretty high rank. He possesses one of the vials of God's wrath. Thats not something ANY old body is entrusted with. This is how John describes him. But how does the angel describe himself?

1) I am thy fellowservant
-He is a fellowservant so they have the same master yet perform different duties for this master.

2) and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God:
-WHOAH!!!! hold up!!! This angel of among the 7 that possess the vials of God's wrath is of John's brethren? what does that mean? John is a hebrew so to be of his brethren would mean that at one time this angel was a hebrew. And what is this angel doing with the Testimony of Jesus? That would have to mean that this angel was also at one time a preacher of the gospel? If that is the case then he was at one time an earthling who was a hebrew and a preacher of Jesus and to be a preacher of the gospel he would have had to have been a disciple (remember Ishua had moor than 12, he had hundreds) Before Ishua died he did say that he was leaving to prepare a place in his father's house for his disciples. Wow looked like this brother was employed right away.

3) for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
- hmmm Here we have the "Testimony of Jesus" defined for us. It's the spirit of prophecy. Meaning this angel is of the prophetic order just as John is.

I don't think many are very much interested in me completing this exergesis so I tried to keep it short.

But all in all what have we learned girls and boys? That John was about to worship an angel who was at one time an earthling.

Since the scripture is teaching this who then must we refashion our thinking? It goes like this, there is a certain angelic order made up of former humans.

Besides, what is an angel anyway? The hebrew word for Angel is M'lekh or spelled Malach. Do you see what I see? put an I on the end and you have Malachi which in hebrew means my Angel or My Messenger. oops I got ahead of myself. the word Malach/M'lekh means messenger. So when one had a message from God he was considered a M'lekh. I divine messenger. heck Prophets did that all the time which is no surprise this angel says "I am among your brethren who hold the testimony of jesus and the testimony of jesus is the spirit of prophetcy"

Oh back to what I was saying before. Malachi is also the name a religious leader chose for himself. So everytime a Nuwaubian says Malachi Z york. or Malachi Zodok York. They are really saying My angel of righteousness/truth/justice from the york family.

Which is why I will never call that man Malachi again. He is NOT my angel or my messenger of righteousness/justice and god KNOWS not truth.

[CoUrTnEy]

1dell please explain how there is more than 12 disciples.

[kAHANyAH]

Yes 1dell, the people demand to know

CoUrTnEy said:

1dell please explain how there is more than 12 disciples.

[1dell]

Do me a favor Courty, read the entire 4 gospels the ansaars await you. Read a couple of chapters a day if you need to do it like that but here

Luk 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.

We find that Ishua had another 70 disciples OTHER than his main 12. He sent the 12 out 2 by 2 into various parts of the region to teach, heal, perform miracles and cast out demons. He did the very same with these 70 you see here.

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Here after Ishua's life we see that collectively there were about 120 in one place for the celebration of Shavu'ot/pentacost:

Act 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

Act 1:16 Men [and] brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

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Ishua HAD moor than that but many left him because he got a lil too skrong for em:

Jhn 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Jhn 6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

Jhn 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard [this], said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

Jhn 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

Jhn 6:62 [What] and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.

Jhn 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Jhn 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Jhn 6:66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

I hope that ansaars the question If you need it put into moor logical order, let me know. It's just buckshots right about now

CoUrTnEy said:

1dell please explain how there is more than 12 disciples.

[CoUrTnEy]

I got it. It was clear to me by what you had written. Acutally I'm in the process of reading the Bible in it's entirety (in a year of course). I find myself getting stuck on things that are metaphorical and trying to figure out what 's literal and not. So i am going thru the first time taking it literally, then i am going to go back and take a more in-depth approach. Hey someone had mentioned angels being referred to as "stars" somewhere in the Bible. Do you know where that is? If you can tell me then i will tell you why it is that I ask.

[kAHANyAH]

A couple of references...

• Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
  
  
• Jdg 5:20 They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.
  

Also the dream of Yusef

CoUrTnEy said:

I got it. It was clear to me by what you had written. Acutally I'm in the process of reading the Bible in it's entirety (in a year of course). I find myself getting stuck on things that are metaphorical and trying to figure out what 's literal and not. So i am going thru the first time taking it literally, then i am going to go back and take a more in-depth approach. Hey someone had mentioned angels being referred to as "stars" somewhere in the Bible. Do you know where that is? If you can tell me then i will tell you why it is that I ask.

[yahshuahdotcom]

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.