Gender of Angels

[CoUrTnEy]

Bearing in mind that one believes in angels. I am reading this book that claims that angels are sexless and then points to the scripture Mathew 22:33 as proof. and i quote:

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Ok now, to me- that just means that they dont marry, not that they have no sex (gender). Otherwise, how could angels have come down and had sex with the daughters of men? Seems like they had to have some sort of sex organs. What do you think?

[kAHANyAH]

There is a class of "male" angels called sons of G-d [beni elohim] which have no appendages to engage in sex. When they come down to mate with "daughters of men" they do so by a process called possession - a form of incarnation. They possess the bodies of the husbands of these "bath-HaAdam" or daughters of men while the latter two engage in sex. That is how angels of that order [fallen angels] are able to have intercourse with humans, by possessing the bodies/hosts of those male mates at the time the act of sexual union occurs.

You wont get this info in the bible - explicitly. Extra-biblical sources which goes into mysticism and angelogy will explain it to you. Now regarding the angels of the resurrection that you speak of, thats another classificaton or order/rank within the hosts of heaven [armies of heaven]. There are different types of angels and these particular angels do not marry because they resurrect as "CHILDREN" [ref., luk 20.36 and Matt 19.14] ; pre-puberty.

CoUrTnEy said:

Bearing in mind that one believes in angels. I am reading this book that claims that angels are sexless and then points to the scripture Mathew 22:33 as proof. and i quote:

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Ok now, to me- that just means that they dont marry, not that they have no sex (gender). Otherwise, how could angels have come down and had sex with the daughters of men? Seems like they had to have some sort of sex organs. What do you think?

[chakatak]

IF THATS TRUE AND CORRECT WHAT SEX IS THE HOLY SPIRIT?

Bel said:

There is a class of "male" angels called sons of G-d [beni elohim] which have no appendages to engage in sex. When they come down to mate with "daughters of men" they do so by a process called possession - a form of incarnation. They possess the bodies of the husbands of these "bath-HaAdam" or daughters of men while the latter two engage in sex. That is how angels of that order [fallen angels] are able to have intercourse with humans, by possessing the bodies/hosts of those male mates at the time the act of sexual union occurs.

You wont get this info in the bible - explicitly. Extra-biblical sources which goes into mysticism and angelogy will explain it to you. Now regarding the angels of the resurrection that you speak of, thats another classificaton or order/rank within the hosts of heaven [armies of heaven]. There are different types of angels and these particular angels do not marry because they resurrect as "CHILDREN" [ref., luk 20.36 and Matt 19.14] ; pre-puberty.

[chakatak]

LET ME SHOW YOU SOME THINGS ...

ABOUT THE DAUGHTER OF THE GOD IN YOUR BIBLE AND WHY JESUS CAME TO TURN THINGS AROUND WITH THE PHARASEES OF THAT DAY THEY WERE THE SCHOLORS OF THAT TIME LIKE THE TEACHERS AND DR.S IN THE COLLEGES OF THIS DAY.


Definition
daughter [Show phonetics]
noun [C]
your female child:

Definition
Phi Beta Kappa [Show phonetics]
noun [C or U]
a national organization in the US whose members are elected because they have achieved a very high level in their studies at colleges or universities, or a member of this organization

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male (SEX) [Show phonetics]
adjective
describes men or boys, or the sex that fertilizes eggs, and does not produce babies or eggs itself:
male students
a male giraffe
IT is very much a male-dominated industry.
What percentage of the adult male population is unemployed?
The male parts of the flower are the stamens and the anthers.
See also masculine (MALE). Compare female (SEX).

male [Show phonetics]
noun [C]
The male of the species is less aggressive.
Among the bodies are two unidentified British males.

maleness [Show phonetics]
noun

(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)


DO ME A FAVOR AND LOOK AT WHAT IT SAYS FOR DAUGHTER IT SAYS FEMALE CHILD..

NOW IM SURE YOUR SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHERE IM TAKING THIS.

WHEN SOMONE IS SELECTED INTO A FRATERNITY WHAT DO THEY DO TO THE ELECTEE THEY PLACE THEM INTO SUBMISSION...ARE ALL INDUCTEES FEMALE?

[chakatak]

IM NOT ALIGNING MYSELF WITH ANY OF THEM THEY DONT TIE ME OR BIND ME IM NOT IN IT....I WOULD SAY READ READ READ BUT YOU MUST HAVE A COUPLE BAD EYES .........AS FOR THE LITTLE GIRL THING YOU MADE A FROIDIAN SLIP?



LET ME SHOW YOU SOME THINGS ...

ABOUT THE DAUGHTER OF THE GOD IN YOUR BIBLE AND WHY JESUS CAME TO TURN THINGS AROUND WITH THE PHARASEES OF THAT DAY THEY WERE THE SCHOLORS OF THAT TIME LIKE THE TEACHERS AND DR.S IN THE COLLEGES OF THIS DAY.


Definition
daughter [Show phonetics]
noun [C]
your female child:

Definition
Phi Beta Kappa [Show phonetics]
noun [C or U]
a national organization in the US whose members are elected because they have achieved a very high level in their studies at colleges or universities, or a member of this organization

Definition
male (SEX) [Show phonetics]
adjective
describes men or boys, or the sex that fertilizes eggs, and does not produce babies or eggs itself:
male students
a male giraffe
IT is very much a male-dominated industry.
What percentage of the adult male population is unemployed?
The male parts of the flower are the stamens and the anthers.
See also masculine (MALE). Compare female (SEX).

male [Show phonetics]
noun [C]
The male of the species is less aggressive.
Among the bodies are two unidentified British males.

maleness [Show phonetics]
noun

(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)


DO ME A FAVOR AND LOOK AT WHAT IT SAYS FOR DAUGHTER IT SAYS FEMALE CHILD..

NOW IM SURE YOUR SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHERE IM TAKING THIS.

WHEN SOMONE IS SELECTED INTO A FRATERNITY WHAT DO THEY DO TO THE ELECTEE THEY PLACE THEM INTO SUBMISSION...ARE ALL INDUCTEES FEMALE?


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Bel said:

I honestly dont know what youre gettin at. I mean the scriptures hide many mysteries. There are different levels and mysteries in the bible. Sooooo which mystery youre referring to ? Are you talking bout grown men having sex with little girls ? Yes that is a mystery in the bible and it entails the worship of MOLECH. Are you referring to women priestess who were initiated by divine beings [sons of g-d] ? Yes that is also another mystery in the bible and it entails the worship of LILITH [LEAH]. I can cite numerous mysteries but I dunno which one youre aligning yourself with.

Sooooo where you wanna go wit this ?

[chakatak]

;)I KNOW ITS ANOTHER SAYING BY AN EGO TESTICLE MANIAC MALE THAT I DO KNOW JUST LIKE THAT LINETTE YOUR LILTH REINCARNATED BULL SHIT YOU USED TO SAY ....

Bel said:

FREUDIAN SLIP ? LOL!! Do you even know what it means. I doubt it cause youre using it in the wrong contxt.

[kAHANyAH]

To add on to my initial response in this thread...



It is forbidden for the angels of the resurrection to marry. Therefor its safe to say they do not have sex. After all, the act of sex is consecrated within marriage [ref., heb 13.4]. Outside marriage, sex is unholy and of course these angels are holy.

Now to go along with your line of reason, the angels having gender. There is absolutely no other reason for the creation of gender except to pro-create. The word denotes this - "gendering" or to "generate" [propagate] from which we derive the word GENERATION. The etymology of the word is as follow ; from the middle english gendren, from the middle french gendrer, from the latin generare where we get "generation".

If in fact they are gendered creatures then the law of G-d would dictate that they "be fruitful and multiply". But G-d forbids them to be married. Would G-d contradict his own creation ? Not at all. One would then have to ask under what circumstance would G-d deny marriage and sex to creatures he creates with gender ? The only circumstance under which G-d denies marriage to his gendered creatures is childhood. Children have sexual parts but do not engage in sex. Children of pre-puberty age.

This is why the angels of the resurrection are raised in children like bodies. Very much like the Adam and Eve state in the garden. The pre-pubescent state of being.

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

CoUrTnEy said:

Bearing in mind that one believes in angels. I am reading this book that claims that angels are sexless and then points to the scripture Mathew 22:33 as proof. and i quote:

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Ok now, to me- that just means that they dont marry, not that they have no sex (gender). Otherwise, how could angels have come down and had sex with the daughters of men? Seems like they had to have some sort of sex organs. What do you think?

[1dell]

"Let us create man in OUR image...."

Thusly Man is created in the Image or likeness of the God Race, just, we're made from clay and decay into dust. But for the most part we are lower clones.

Then into what has man been made? Male and Female.

There are male and female Angels.

Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, [Art] thou for us, or for our adversaries?

Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but [as] captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?


Then there are female:

Zec 5:9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind [was] in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

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You made a good point with the angels having sex with the daughters of Adam. In modern day venacular it would be similar to alien abductions. If you want to believe that, I prefer to keep it simple. When the bible speaks of these angels marrying the daughters of Adam, they bible also says the daughters of adam bore them offspring, hmm, Let me just call up the scriptures and let them speak for themselves:

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

These angels had an appetite for humans, they recognized the beauty of daughters of Adam (saw that they were fair) So obviously the were arouseable and held within them the capacity for desire. it was the BEAUTY of the B'not HaAdam that motivated them to marry them. That being said very much sounds like sexual satisfaction was the very thing these angels were after. It's funny because whenever the bible speaks of marriage, copulation is involved. So these angels very much copulated with these women. Just take a look:

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

the B'not HaAdam bore offspring to these Sons of God, you have to have sex in order to do something like that the last time I checked you needed sex to do that. and we can tell that there was some mating going on because the children that were born to the sons of God were very much different than the sons of adam.

the only other acceptable theory is that these were aliens that abducted these women and did some gene splicing and semenal implantations, and birth inductions yada yada.

---

There are some angelic beings that animal like in appearance. Others moor humanlike. Others a combination of both.

But I don't for one minute believe that God has an angel making machine. And so I believe God made them the same way he made everything else "with the seed inside of itself" Meaning the potention for multiplication exponentially.

WE know that there are myriads and myriads of angels. How did they get there? Did God just turn on an angel making machine and spit them out? or did he give them the abiliity to reproduce. I believe the later.

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Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

well there are some particulars we have to pay attention to here notice the words that have been bolded.

First of all what does In the REsurrection mean? Does it mean the same thing as "in the here after" or "in the eternity"? or is "in the resurrection" a certain time and lasts for a certain amount of time or is it JUST a particular event. Like when we all resurrect on a particular day? I tend to believe that last statement offered.

Next is as as in similar to.

Next is angels of God in Heaven Hmmm, speaks of a particular rank of angels. There are angels of earth, angels of the firmament, then angels given to police the creations, the universe, but these are spoken of specificially not only are they angels of GOD but they are ALSO in Heaven Which would indeed be a moor elite form of Angel indeed.

When the bible speaks of angels it gives certain clues to to which angel order it speaks of. For christians who use this verse to speak of all angels in sweeping generalities they do so to their error, because it's speaking of a particular order and on a particular day.

What since really does it make for the bible to contradict itself like that, because we find that those who resurrect are to be MARRIED to the Lamb. So this is OBVIOUSLY not speaking of a lasting state.

I am open for questions

[CoUrTnEy]

Thank you for your input Kah, that makes it a little more clear to me now. I think the book i was reading should've elaborated a little more for me to have that same understanding Anyone else? Hey Linette, you lost me- are you referring to this thread or something else? Also, those quotes you were quoting didnt come from this thread ..

[kAHANyAH]

those quotes she has are from me. She kina pulled me into something I really wish I didnt play into. To keep the integrity of your thread, I deleted my responses to her.

CoUrTnEy said:

Thank you for your input Kah, that makes it a little more clear to me now. I think the book i was reading should've elaborated a little more for me to have that same understanding Anyone else? Hey Linette, you lost me- are you referring to this thread or something else? Also, those quotes you were quoting didnt come from this thread ..

[CoUrTnEy]

I gotcha.. i was wondering where all that came from.

Bel said:

those quotes she has are from me. She kina pulled me into something I really wish I didnt play into. To keep the integrity of your thread, I deleted my responses to her.

[CoUrTnEy]

I think it's funny that this book strictly about angels makes such a sweeping generalization like that, kinda makes me question the rest of it. I just keep my bible handy while i am reading through it for when i come to passages like that that trouble me.

1dell said:

"Let us create man in OUR image...."

Thusly Man is created in the Image or likeness of the God Race, just, we're made from clay and decay into dust. But for the most part we are lower clones.

Then into what has man been made? Male and Female.

There are male and female Angels.

Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, [Art] thou for us, or for our adversaries?

Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but [as] captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?


Then there are female:

Zec 5:9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind [was] in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

---

You made a good point with the angels having sex with the daughters of Adam. In modern day venacular it would be similar to alien abductions. If you want to believe that, I prefer to keep it simple. When the bible speaks of these angels marrying the daughters of Adam, they bible also says the daughters of adam bore them offspring, hmm, Let me just call up the scriptures and let them speak for themselves:

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

These angels had an appetite for humans, they recognized the beauty of daughters of Adam (saw that they were fair) So obviously the were arouseable and held within them the capacity for desire. it was the BEAUTY of the B'not HaAdam that motivated them to marry them. That being said very much sounds like sexual satisfaction was the very thing these angels were after. It's funny because whenever the bible speaks of marriage, copulation is involved. So these angels very much copulated with these women. Just take a look:

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

the B'not HaAdam bore offspring to these Sons of God, you have to have sex in order to do something like that the last time I checked you needed sex to do that. and we can tell that there was some mating going on because the children that were born to the sons of God were very much different than the sons of adam.

the only other acceptable theory is that these were aliens that abducted these women and did some gene splicing and semenal implantations, and birth inductions yada yada.

---

There are some angelic beings that animal like in appearance. Others moor humanlike. Others a combination of both.

But I don't for one minute believe that God has an angel making machine. And so I believe God made them the same way he made everything else "with the seed inside of itself" Meaning the potention for multiplication exponentially.

WE know that there are myriads and myriads of angels. How did they get there? Did God just turn on an angel making machine and spit them out? or did he give them the abiliity to reproduce. I believe the later.

---

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

well there are some particulars we have to pay attention to here notice the words that have been bolded.

First of all what does In the REsurrection mean? Does it mean the same thing as "in the here after" or "in the eternity"? or is "in the resurrection" a certain time and lasts for a certain amount of time or is it JUST a particular event. Like when we all resurrect on a particular day? I tend to believe that last statement offered.

Next is as as in similar to.

Next is angels of God in Heaven Hmmm, speaks of a particular rank of angels. There are angels of earth, angels of the firmament, then angels given to police the creations, the universe, but these are spoken of specificially not only are they angels of GOD but they are ALSO in Heaven Which would indeed be a moor elite form of Angel indeed.

When the bible speaks of angels it gives certain clues to to which angel order it speaks of. For christians who use this verse to speak of all angels in sweeping generalities they do so to their error, because it's speaking of a particular order and on a particular day.

What since really does it make for the bible to contradict itself like that, because we find that those who resurrect are to be MARRIED to the Lamb. So this is OBVIOUSLY not speaking of a lasting state.

I am open for questions

[chakatak]

YES IM REFEREING TO THIS THREAD BUT ON THE ILLUMINATED AVENUE, THE ONE THAT DEALS WITH THE SECRET SOCIETY AND THAT GOD.

DO YOU GO TO COLLEGE COURT-KNEE?

CoUrTnEy said:

Thank you for your input Kah, that makes it a little more clear to me now. I think the book i was reading should've elaborated a little more for me to have that same understanding Anyone else? Hey Linette, you lost me- are you referring to this thread or something else? Also, those quotes you were quoting didnt come from this thread ..

[1dell]

dAYUM Lin Lin, why you trying to start with Courtney now? All over again.

chakatak said:

YES IM REFEREING TO THIS THREAD BUT ON THE ILLUMINATED AVENUE, THE ONE THAT DEALS WITH THE SECRET SOCIETY AND THAT GOD.

DO YOU GO TO COLLEGE COURT-KNEE?

[chakatak]

I DIDNT LIKE THE ATTITUDE THROUGH THE POST ITS THE BITCH ATTITDUE AND I GOT THAT SAME ATTITUDE SO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TWO BITCHES GOT AN ATTITUDE SOMEONES EAR GETS BIT OFF, YOU KNOW LIKE MIKE TYSON.

1dell said:

dAYUM Lin Lin, why you trying to start with Courtney now? All over again.