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Post by LadyC on May 4, 2004 15:14:58 GMT -5
isn't this disgusting? i'm so ashamed that kenny guinn is our governor.
Whereas, Nevadans of Muslim faith embrace the pioneering spirit of the Silver State and strive to promote the moral and spiritual aspirations that represent the American character; and
Whereas, the motto of the great State of Nevada, “All for our Country,” inspires Americans of Muslim faith, in our community, to articulate the responsibilities of patriotism, and encourage participation in the duties of citizenship; and
Whereas, the practice and teaching of traditional Islamic knowledge, defends and exhorts democracy, and upholds religious freedom and social justice; and
Whereas, each Muslim-American who adheres to the teachings of Islam and is living in an American society, will exhibit acts of compassion and charity in the name of the Beneficent, the Merciful; and
Whereas, through the ages, those who have faith and do righteous deeds in the mutual teachings of Truth, Patience and Constancy, experience greater happiness and are better equipped to promote a peaceful existence for all people; and
Whereas, Americans of Muslim faith in Nevada continue to instill health and vitality in the educational, cultural, economic and civic development of our community; and
Whereas, Nevada recognizes the many individuals and families of Muslim faith who have chosen our community as their home, and willingly share their rich traditions and culture with us;
Now, Therefore, I, Kenny C. Guinn, Governor of the State of Nevada, do hereby proclaim April 30th, 2004, as
MUSLIM FAMILY VALUE DAY IN NEVADA
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Post by CoUrTnEy on May 4, 2004 15:27:30 GMT -5
ok im tryin to chew on this but i am confused.. first of all the letter's syntax makes it confusing but what is the discusting part.. help me out here  isn't this disgusting? i'm so ashamed that kenny guinn is our governor. Whereas, Nevadans of Muslim faith embrace the pioneering spirit of the Silver State and strive to promote the moral and spiritual aspirations that represent the American character; and Whereas, the motto of the great State of Nevada, “All for our Country,” inspires Americans of Muslim faith, in our community, to articulate the responsibilities of patriotism, and encourage participation in the duties of citizenship; and Whereas, the practice and teaching of traditional Islamic knowledge, defends and exhorts democracy, and upholds religious freedom and social justice; and Whereas, each Muslim-American who adheres to the teachings of Islam and is living in an American society, will exhibit acts of compassion and charity in the name of the Beneficent, the Merciful; and Whereas, through the ages, those who have faith and do righteous deeds in the mutual teachings of Truth, Patience and Constancy, experience greater happiness and are better equipped to promote a peaceful existence for all people; and Whereas, Americans of Muslim faith in Nevada continue to instill health and vitality in the educational, cultural, economic and civic development of our community; and Whereas, Nevada recognizes the many individuals and families of Muslim faith who have chosen our community as their home, and willingly share their rich traditions and culture with us; Now, Therefore, I, Kenny C. Guinn, Governor of the State of Nevada, do hereby proclaim April 30th, 2004, as MUSLIM FAMILY VALUE DAY IN NEVADA |
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Post by LadyC on May 4, 2004 18:38:04 GMT -5
LOL, what part isn't disgusting? for one, while the concept of separation of church and state is so absolutely distorted by the ACLU and other far left organizations, there IS an establishment clause in the first ammendment preventing the government from establishing a law that endorses any religion over another. while this official declaration may not be a law, and may not recur anually, it is endorsing a particular religion. and it is endorsing it over other religions, since there are no christian family values day, no morman family values day, no jewish, no buddhist, no... oh heck, what other religions are there?
what also disgusts me is the oxymoronic nature of it to begin with! what family values is he promoting?
the family value of sending your women and children to be suicide bombers?
the family value of stoning your daughter to death if she objects to who daddy picks out for her to marry?
the family value of mutilating female infants genitals so that they won't grow up and find pleasure in sex?
islam is not a peace-loving religion... it's a very hate filled, intolerant religion.
granted, the ones who have grown up in america are probably much more peaceful than the ones living overseas, and they certainly don't stone or mutilate their daughters on american soil... but the family values defined by their culture and religion are anything but commendable by Christian standards...
and their patriotism? hey, the little store around the corner is run by a muslim, and i just love him to pieces. he's a really nice guy. but all those sleeper cells that are in this country waiting for their orders to fly another plane into another building and kill all the people in it doesn't strike me as patriotism!
and the practice and teaching of traditional Islamic knowledge, defends and exhorts democracy, and upholds religious freedom and social justice; certainly is an inaccurate portrait of what islam teaches!
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 4, 2004 18:49:17 GMT -5
Peace LadyC, let me first start off by saying everything in your missive is prejudicial. Okay... There is nothing wrong with a gov' making a proclamation. Theyre made all the time and does not infringe on constitutional separation of church and state. LadyC its obvious you have a "warped" view on islam. Why do I say warped ? Because youre spitting propaganda commonly heard from the hard right conservatives. Have you spoken to a moderate muslim ? They'd tell you different you know. Let me get this straight, its okay to celibrate the official NATIONAL CHRISTIAN HOLI-DAY called CHRISTMAS but you have a problem with a proclamation ? See any hypocrisy there ? Would you like me to continue ? Municipalities shutting down on Yom Kippur and Easter but I have yet to hear a muslim holy day that shuts down a city. Hmmm... something is wrong wit that dont you think ? Things that make one go Hmmm...  LOL, what part isn't disgusting? for one, while the concept of separation of church and state is so absolutely distorted by the ACLU and other far left organizations, there IS an establishment clause in the first ammendment preventing the government from establishing a law that endorses any religion over another. while this official declaration may not be a law, and may not recur anually, it is endorsing a particular religion. and it is endorsing it over other religions, since there are no christian family values day, no morman family values day, no jewish, no buddhist, no... oh heck, what other religions are there? what also disgusts me is the oxymoronic nature of it to begin with! what family values is he promoting? the family value of sending your women and children to be suicide bombers? the family value of stoning your daughter to death if she objects to who daddy picks out for her to marry? the family value of mutilating female infants genitals so that they won't grow up and find pleasure in sex? islam is not a peace-loving religion... it's a very hate filled, intolerant religion. granted, the ones who have grown up in america are probably much more peaceful than the ones living overseas, and they certainly don't stone or mutilate their daughters on american soil... but the family values defined by their culture and religion are anything but commendable by Christian standards... and their patriotism? hey, the little store around the corner is run by a muslim, and i just love him to pieces. he's a really nice guy. but all those sleeper cells that are in this country waiting for their orders to fly another plane into another building and kill all the people in it doesn't strike me as patriotism! and the practice and teaching of traditional Islamic knowledge, defends and exhorts democracy, and upholds religious freedom and social justice; certainly is an inaccurate portrait of what islam teaches! |
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Post by LadyC on May 4, 2004 19:20:07 GMT -5
my prejudice based on their traditional teachings is based on my readings (albeit limited readings) of portions of the qoran.... not on propaganda.
my prejudice of their defense of democracy is based on their cultural lifestyles and the islamic message boards i've perused where young women were talking about the horrors they would face if they dared to defy their parents on marriage partners.
my prejudice regarding their patriotism is based on the fact that it was radical islamists who waged a holy war on our country and killed three thousand individuals.
my prejudice against their traditional customs of mutilating females is based on world-wide reports of such mutilations... such that are reported both on right winged news outlets and left winged ones.
my prejudice against the actual individuals is non existant. as i said, i love the muslim shop owner around the corner to pieces, he's a wonderful human being! i also used to work for a muslim who was very kind, very thoughtful... and work WITH a muslim who was a lot of fun to be around.
christmas is celebrated as both a secular and a religious holiday. but, nationwide and here locally, public displays of anything with a christian connotation is forbidden in schools, at fire departments, in public parks, etc., while islamic symbols of rhamadan are welcomed and even encouraged.
why is it that a christian in the government is often drug through court for holding off-hours bible studies in their offices?
i am not racist. what i am is thoroughly ticked off that discrimination and persecution of christians are occurring on a daily basis all over our country, all in the name of tolerance and deference to anyone who is offended by God... while other religious groups are championed by our society.
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 4, 2004 19:38:29 GMT -5
Christians are being persecuted or christians are now having to relinquish [for the purpose of sharing] some of the rights, priviledges and amenities once held solely by them. LadyC you seem very reasonable. Let me ask you something, this country , is it not founded upon the JudeoChristian belief ? Do we not have "In God We Trust" inscribed on our monies. When we pledge allegiance is it not to the JudeoChristian "God" ? Christians have bountifully reaped the good things America had/has to offer. But now many of my fellow christians weep in despair because they must share this good fortune. Selfishness is a killa but the selfish are so blurred in their perception of liberty, what is considered sharing they actually mistake for theft. Western christians and christendom of today is a very greedy religion. Regarding the muslim sites you've visited - All I can tell you is you lucking out. But keep trying, there are thousands of Islamic websites. And Im sure you only surfed a hand-ful. Another thing, it is NOT becoming of anyone to say because a few dozen who attacked our nation were muslim , islam is evil. How would white america like it if Blacks of today decided to hold all whites responsible for the atrocious crimes of whites against blacks in the past ? I know quite a few here who feel this way but I personally dont agree with that line of thought. Hey listen LadyC, we cannot blame all muslims for the crimes of a few. Know what I mean ?  my prejudice based on their traditional teachings is based on my readings (albeit limited readings) of portions of the qoran.... not on propaganda. my prejudice of their defense of democracy is based on their cultural lifestyles and the islamic message boards i've perused where young women were talking about the horrors they would face if they dared to defy their parents on marriage partners. my prejudice regarding their patriotism is based on the fact that it was radical islamists who waged a holy war on our country and killed three thousand individuals. my prejudice against their traditional customs of mutilating females is based on world-wide reports of such mutilations... such that are reported both on right winged news outlets and left winged ones. my prejudice against the actual individuals is non existant. as i said, i love the muslim shop owner around the corner to pieces, he's a wonderful human being! i also used to work for a muslim who was very kind, very thoughtful... and work WITH a muslim who was a lot of fun to be around. christmas is celebrated as both a secular and a religious holiday. but, nationwide and here locally, public displays of anything with a christian connotation is forbidden in schools, at fire departments, in public parks, etc., while islamic symbols of rhamadan are welcomed and even encouraged. why is it that a christian in the government is often drug through court for holding off-hours bible studies in their offices? i am not racist. what i am is thoroughly ticked off that discrimination and persecution of christians are occurring on a daily basis all over our country, all in the name of tolerance and deference to anyone who is offended by God... while other religious groups are championed by our society. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on May 4, 2004 20:04:08 GMT -5
i guess this is where i jump in.. i would more closely related myself (religiously) to Christianity, however I have more liberal views than most of your traditional Christians.. I do not know much about muslims other than they read the quran like we read the bible, they look to allah like we look to Jesus, and they (like many other religions) think their religion/beliefs are the only key to the truth and to God.. in my 30 odd years here on the planet I have come time find there is truth in many places.. why do i think that? why do i think different religions are necessary?? because certain types of things reach certain types of people.. what speaks to me might not speak to Joe Blow down the street.. the fact that different religions have similar beliefs and similiar stories in the holy books speaks volumes to me. .of course i think that the Bible is the ultimate authority, but i think other things have been adapted from it (some with errors) in order to reach others.. as i type this i read over it and say could i be wrong? possibly.. I believe/read/hold dear the Bible, but I can't condemn anyone else for what they believe.. in the end it will between them and God whether they followed God's command or not.. it's not up to me to decide on what others do..whether they blasphemed or not.. whether they were right or not.. the main thing is as a citizen do they have the same rights as I to practice and have religious holidays? Yes they do.. however i can see Lady C's point that easter & christmas can really be seen as secular holidays and not religious.. Yom Kippour- i never got a day off for that.. however i do know that the places i have worked for will allow people off for religious holidays such as that.. we have lots of things that are declared "such and such day" however we aren't given a day off for that.. there are all sorts of "days" declared that i dont necessarily agree with, however rather than get upset about it i simply dont celebrate it.. easy as that..
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Post by LadyC on May 4, 2004 20:09:38 GMT -5
ok, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
yes, my surfing of islamic websites has been limited by my research on marriage practices... it had nothing to do with my faith, but specifically for the marriage customs in other countries.
but from my readings of passages of the q'ran, it appears that the handful of radicals who perpetrated crimes against this country, were doing so according to what the q'ran itself teaches regarding those of "christian nations". thank goodness that the majority living here are "moderates".... meaning they don't pay much attention to the q'ran.
not all muslims are evil. not all christians are saintly either. but wouldn't you consider a religion that is based on a "holy writ" that instructs its followers to butcher the "People of the Book" an evil teaching?
this is not a religion of peace and tolerance. i'm sorry you have such a dim view of american christians. i don't associate with greedy hateful christians, because they don't bear the fruit they should be bearing. if you feel that my disgust with my governor for having extolled the virtues of a religion with words that contradict the faith and teachings of their holy writ is "prejudicial" and unchristlike, then i don't quite know what to tell ya. i am disgusted over this. i make no apologies for that disgust. if you'd like me to remain here, all the better, i enjoy the company here! but if you feel i am a liability to your board, i'll go without complaint.
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 4, 2004 20:14:53 GMT -5
"secular" holiday is a very convenient term used. Y convenient - because christmas which is historically a religious holi-day has transformed into a secular holiday. Don't believe me, do your fact-finding. Research the holi-day christmas.
Very hypocritical I say. A "religious" Holy day officially becomes a "secular" Holi-day. I smell a RAT!!!
Lets make Ramadan a secular holiday.... NOT!
HYPOCRISY TO THE FULLNESS!
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Post by CoUrTnEy on May 4, 2004 20:18:27 GMT -5
no lady c please dont leave... i do appreciate your presence here.. they are few and far between.. many of our veteran members here (and i will take the liberty of saying so) are liberal in their religious beliefs and otherwise.. so it's nice to have someone on the other side of the spectrum to balance things out.. as you can see Kah and I have our little debates but neither of us would wish to banish the other.. that is one thing that is different from any other board you might find.. we allow each to speak his peace and have his own opinion.. and unless you are abusive to other members of the board or threaten people- your voice will be heard and you can feel free to post here.. besides- we women are a minority here as well- nice to have a fellow female on board  |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on May 4, 2004 20:19:12 GMT -5
mind tellin me what ramadan is? "secular" holiday is a very convenient term used. Y convenient - because christmas which is historically a religious holi-day has transformed into a secular holiday. Don't believe me, do your fact-finding. Research the holi-day christmas. Very hypocritical I say. A "religious" Holy day officially becomes a "secular" Holi-day. I smell a RAT!!! Lets make Ramadan a secular holiday.... NOT! HYPOCRISY TO THE FULLNESS! |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on May 4, 2004 20:21:13 GMT -5
oh yeah.. and be prepared.. just about anything you can say- Kah will counter it with something else.. he means well and has some good info but i think he reads a little too much into things sometimes.. I have grown accustomed to it, but he does help me to condition myself to read more and research more (even when his view is erroneous)  |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 4, 2004 20:21:29 GMT -5
Oh come on now! LadyC, this is weak! weak!! Im sorry I aint suga coating. You wanna talk about Holy writ ? You wanna quote passages ? I am very verse in BIBLE LIT! Lets take it to the court! Digest these holy "bible" writs, Isa 13:18 [Their] bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children. Deu 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, [and] utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Lev 20:2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever [he be] of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth [any] of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. There a hundreds of examples but I dont wanna overwhelm you. That tactic is played our sistah. All holy txt. got them blood, vengeance shizzle in them.  ok, we'll just have to agree to disagree. yes, my surfing of islamic websites has been limited by my research on marriage practices... it had nothing to do with my faith, but specifically for the marriage customs in other countries. but from my readings of passages of the q'ran, it appears that the handful of radicals who perpetrated crimes against this country, were doing so according to what the q'ran itself teaches regarding those of "christian nations". thank goodness that the majority living here are "moderates".... meaning they don't pay much attention to the q'ran. not all muslims are evil. not all christians are saintly either. but wouldn't you consider a religion that is based on a "holy writ" that instructs its followers to butcher the "People of the Book" an evil teaching? this is not a religion of peace and tolerance. i'm sorry you have such a dim view of american christians. i don't associate with greedy hateful christians, because they don't bear the fruit they should be bearing. if you feel that my disgust with my governor for having extolled the virtues of a religion with words that contradict the faith and teachings of their holy writ is "prejudicial" and unchristlike, then i don't quite know what to tell ya. i am disgusted over this. i make no apologies for that disgust. if you'd like me to remain here, all the better, i enjoy the company here! but if you feel i am a liability to your board, i'll go without complaint. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on May 4, 2004 20:24:08 GMT -5
i agree with you kah and that's why i have trouble condemming other religions for the exact same thing. Oh come on now! LadyC, this is weak! weak!! Im sorry I aint suga coating. You wanna talk about Holy writ ? You wanna quote passages ? I am very verse in BIBLE LIT! Lets take it to the court! Digest these holy "bible" writs, Isa 13:18 [Their] bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children. Deu 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, [and] utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Lev 20:2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever [he be] of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth [any] of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. There a hundreds of examples but I dont wanna overwhelm you. That tactic is played our sistah. All holy txt. got them blood, vengeance shizzle in them. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 4, 2004 20:24:35 GMT -5
Major muslim holiday mind tellin me what ramadan is? |
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