WAS JESUS A JEW?? LET US HAVE YOUR INPUT.

[1dell]

Yeah unfortunately I am at work without my resources and since I have to handle calls too, it could take me an hour to get thru while trying to get work done

courtney said:

I was hoping you would handle that.. you deff have more knowlege on this subject than i do.. i didnt feel qualified to counter her. I welcome you too Imaangel.. but just be warned.. there are many ppl on both sides.. and i know we are armed with the facts.

[kAHANyAH]

Good luck 1dell! I sure aint gonna deal wit it cause she got waayyy too much to read there. I DONT LIKE TO READ ALOT!

1dell said:

Jesus Christ!!! Imaangel, welcome to the board. I am sorry that your first post to this community would have to be one that I would have to reprimand.

But There is an aweful lot of misinformation in this post.

I will deal with point by point

[CoUrTnEy]

take all the time you need 1dell.. im sure it will be worth it.

1dell said:

Yeah unfortunately I am at work without my resources and since I have to handle calls too, it could take me an hour to get thru while trying to get work done

[1dell]

What I am about to share with you is Truth. If there is anything you disagree with that’s on you, I choose not to debate or discuss it any further. You don't have accept because you have options and my hope is that you research what I am saying because that is what I’ve done. Research and Uncover the Truth.

I have researched what you have said it this information is moor speculative than fact, moor error than truth. Note one reference has been cited so neither will i cite any. YOu are asking us to accept things at face value at this point, not even so much as pointing us in a direction to verify your claims. So here we go

Putting the ego aside, I reach out to my family (you know who you are). In order to help and recover the Negro I am compelled to join this forum because of the ignorance that seems to prevail. I am one of many so if you want to dispute this Truth you (whomever you are) fight a loosing War between good and evil. We (a select few) set the record straight for ALL.

so to disagree with the info you put forth is to fight a losing war? I do dispute it so could you please give me the source of this info so my war will not be against you personally because otherwise this is nothing moor than popular opinion and even moor myth

Religion is such a ugly word today. If you are to over stand the origin of Christians, Jews, and Muslims (religion) KNOW that it was created to discipline you so that you believe that there is one so-called God (or whomever you desire to call the Most High) who allegedly made the world. It is said that the Most High stands outside it, yet dwells in the human heart. That His so-called nature is love, and He works for the good in the world. And that his plan for hu-man is revealed through various sacred writings, which so-called specialists (priests, rabbis, and mullahs) interpret to the masses in buildings set aside for this purpose (churches, synagogues, and mosques).

so christianity, islam and judaism was CREATED at a method of controlling people? These are the only 3 methods of control? or is your religion somehow different? and what makes your exempt and if these religions where created for said purpose can you at least give me some references where I can look this up? CAn you give me the transcript from the meeting when these religions where created and all the members of the committee's signatures? I would be interested in seeing this because that would be the ONLY proof of this. And since I am sure you don't warrant such clearance to the higher echelons of such circles nor are old enough to have sat in on the meeting, this is hearsay versus hearsay. so lets move along

Clerics usually are paid and devote their lives to interpreting the Most High’s will. They say that He demands from His followers love, faith, and adherence to a Strict code of moral behavior; including sexual behavior. Clerics and followers alike who follow His commandments can expect to be rewarded in another world after death. These religions once had, and to some extent still have, important social and political missions but as you SEE and know they All are full of crap.

"full of crap"? INJECT YOUR OPINION HERE, why don't ya. Not only are you rewarded in the life to come but in this life as well

Abraham’s descendants drifted into Egypt, where they became slaves to Pharaoh, apparently remained there for several centuries. This tradition remains today a basis for Jewish self-explanation. Then Moses (1200 B.C.), evidently inheriting teachings of the Egyptian monotheistic Pharaoh Akhenaten (fourteenth century B.C.),

Now that is where you are wrong, the life of Moshe can be broken down into 3 groups of 40 years. He spent 40 years in egypt, then he spent 40 years in the wilderness UNDER as the apprentice to the HIGH PRIEST OF MEDIAN!!!!!! his FAHTER IN LAW Yethro! The Medianites are descendants of Abraham and thereby were kept untainted by egyptology and this is where he learned MOOR about the true diety IHaWaH. Do I have to explain how importan it is that his own FATHER-IN-LAW was not just a priest but a HIGH PRIEST? and not only that but conselled Moshe throughout his career as leader of the Ibrit. Do I need to spell out the significance of him being his apprentice for 40 years?

Moses’ monotheistic vision prevailed, but many of the stories the Hebrews told about their ancestors and their God for example, the story of creation and the story of the universal flood were adapted from Mesopotamia myth. Makes one wonder whose telling the truth.

That is purported by the enemies of the scriptures and is totally bogus. when you say mesopotamain myth I gather that you are speaking about the enuma elish an gilgamesh epics. Others say it was egyptian creations stories that they stole from. I wish you all would make up your mind. If you have ever taken the time to study and compare the stories they differ moor than they are similar. It would take an EXTREMELY creative person to steal from those myths and come up with something comprehensible like B'reshit (genesis) In fact Abraham was still alive when Shem walked the earth and could get teh truth straight from the horses mouth. Not to mention there are over 300 (dayum deja vu I have said this same stuff at least 40 dozen times over the last 6 years, I get kinda tired saying it) flood stories all over the world Why do the sumerian and hebrew accounts have to be the same? I personally don't beleive that N'akh and his sons were the only survivors of the flood, as we can see later in scriptures that the anakiym and other giant races were alive and kicken by time the Ibry got to Canaan. They certainly didn't come from N'akh but thats another study.

The Moses story is myth now with this on your mind, I go on because the ignorant know Thought but family know Thoth was short for the master scribe and teacher Tehuti. Moses comes from Mus, an Egyptian word meaning “child,” not a Hebraic word meaning “drawn out.” Thuthmose or Thoth-Mose (an actual person) was a student of Tehuti, the Egyptian scribe

lol so he was called Mus? and that means child? hmm, Moses' neck musta been sore, because every time he heard other parents refer to their child by the word Mus he musta turned around. So you mean to tell me they named that boy child? So let me get this straight, Moses comes from Mus? hmm, you musta confused yourself because it would make moor sense for it to come from Mose as in Thuthmose as you yourself just posted. If you are not familiar with greek (which Moses is a greek word) They put the letter S at the end of a name to denote that the person is a male. YOu see it all the time in scripture when they would take the names from the old testament and in the new testament they would have an S at the end like Elias, Jermias, Judas, Jesus, moses is no different. So technically these names have been altered by the greeks so TECHNICALLY Moses SHOULD be spelled Mose and since the greeks dont have a letter SH like the Hebrews do, they would substitute with S like they did with the name Jesus which is Jesu which in Ibry is Ishu. Ergo Moses becomes Mose becomes Moshe which DOES Mean drawn out in ibry maybe you need a lesson in Ibry/hebrew. You people tickle me, you shot yourself in your own foot when you said his name was Mus but then turn around and post the name thothmose which is one letter different than Moses. LOL! You most certainly have an unrighteous agenda. You told us what Mus which I am sure every child was called, what does Mose mean?

[1dell]

The Babylonian Captivity was a time of deep soul-searching for the Hebrews. Asking why Yahweh had abandoned them (remember Moses questioned everything), the Hebrews took stock of their ancient traditions, many preserved in written texts dating back to 800 B.C. or earlier. They combined these texts with Babylonian Myths to create a Coherent but sometimes Mythical and sometimes Legendary account of the Jewish past, extending all the way back to the creation of the universe.

Jesus Christ, if they combined the texts how did then why is there no direct evidence of plagiarism? follow my logic a moment. If I am combining stories that means I have a story and you have a story, so some where you might have a story for somethign I dont have a story for. so in that case I would just adopt your story and you blend in whatever we have in common. For example lets take the stories of Creation, and Adam and Eve and the First sin. Lets say we have A creation story but no Adam and Eve Story but a First sin story. But YOU have a Creation story and adam and Eve story but no First sin story, If I were to combine these stories you would see bits and pieces of the creation story from yours and my version combined. and i would use your adam and eve story to fill in the blanks and just use my first sin story to get a complete volume. So SINCE the genesis events are moor dissimilar to the sumerian texts than they are similar it would stand to reason that if there was any COMBINING as you say, there should be moor traces of the sumerian texts unless the hebrews got mega creative. Which would ALSO imply that if there was ANY combining that you have to have 2 thing to combine into one. The creation story for instance, that would have to mean that the hebrews would have to have already had their OWN creation story in order to combine with the sumerian text to creat what we have today because the creation story is NOT a direct plagiarization. That is if I want to give you the benefit of the doubt. Which I dont. There are over 400 creation stories around the world. And the hebrews are the only theives? Sounds like foolish talk to me. And where is the evidence of this other than you see storys that APPEAR similar? Hell watch the news tonight on the 3 major networks, i bet you get the same story but told 3 differnet ways. Does that mean Channel 3 STOLE the story from Channel 5?

To this account Hebrew scholars added translations from the Egyptian and Admonishments by so-called “prophets” written down at different dates to form the Books that much later, around 90 A.D., became the Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament, as it is known to Christians).

90 ad doesn't stand out as a signifant year for anything biblical where are you getting this info from? And please show and prove how they added translations from the egyptian...the egyptian what??? YOu dont site any egyptian text. And what are the names of the Hebrew scholars who did this? otherwise these are mere speculations. Yo give dates but thats it. You mention hebrew scholars but no names. What hebrew scholars? All speculation. The burden of proof is on you.

The writing system used by the Hebrews often is called the Phoenician alphabet. Phoenician writing was a the *clumsy cuneiform and was widely used to record many Semitic languages after about 1000 B.C. In the great empire of the Semitic Assyrians (ninth to seventh centuries B.C.) on the Tigris river, records were kept in Duplicate: one in cuneiform on tablets in the Akkadian language and another in the Phoenician system on papyrus in a Semitic language called Aramaic.

To call phoenician a clumsy cuneiform is clumbsy scholarship. If you knew anythign about the language you would know it's not cuneiform but heiroglyphic in nature.

The J in Jesus was made-up just like his being Jewish is. Don’t get all bent out of shape about the new movie that everybody is talking about with Mel Gibson. There was no “J” sound in the English language before 1565 A.D.

the J isn't made up, during that era the Latin used the letter I to begin words and the scribes would add a decorative tail on the I if it started a word, which looks very much like today's J, YET it STILL received the Y sound. So J has been around for a while, but it didn't get the J sound UNTIL the 15th century. Dayum, your info is all screwed up! it's not a matter of the LETTER J it's a matter of the LETTER J receiving the JAY sound. It's a matter of sound not lettering. So Jesus is accurate than most people think, from what I explained about the hellinization of names by adding the S at the end to let you know the person is a male, just remove that you have Jesu (that would be latin since they tranliterated from the greek) which is incredibly close to his real name in Aramaic Ishu taking into consideration neither greek nor latin has a substitute for the letter Shin as the hebrews do.

A Nazarite is someone who belongs to a sect of Jews who separated themselves from the norm and set up what would be known today as a cult. As found in Numbers 6:2, where people are told to separate and take a vow. The Hebrew word being used is “Nazar” and means “to take a pledge, make a covenant.” This is joining an existing group much like one would join the masonic order or a fraternity.

you just contradict yourself, How can a nazarite be someone of the jewish sect, when there are techinically no jews since there is no letter J in hebrew nor the J sound. You want to be particular about someone callin "Yahweh" God, but you have no regard for attention to details in other names. If you took the time to study the nazarites rather than just skim for info to propulgate your weak teachings, you would notice how the nazarites played a much moor important role than just some secret lodge.

A Nazarene is a person who is native of Nazareth. Nazareth is in the southern tip of Lebanon, the present day name of Nazareth is En-naasirah (Al-Nasira).

I am trying to figure out what this information has to do with the price of catmeat in china

Adolf Hitler represented a new form of Christianity, which really hated the Jews because they believed they were responsible for killing their God Christ. Thus, the Hitler movement was really a Christian movement for revenge on Jews.

dayum, you REALLY haven't done your research have you? Man Hitler wasn't no dayum christian!!! He belonged to the pagan THule Society! lol. He was writing about how he was in touch with an alien race of Blonde haired blue eyed aliens who were trying to usher in a super race on this planet. His disdain with the jews was because of the depression and he blamed the jews for it because they headed the world bank and the time and wouldn't release funds. You REALLY need to do your research and not put yourself out there like that. It's most embarassing.

Did you notice the Ku Klux Klan, Skinheads, Aryan Nation, and the Church of the Creator (COTC, whose motto is Rahowa [racial holy war]) all exalt Hitler? Hitler studied the Canaanite and Sumerian doctrines. In his study of the Canaanite doctrine he found things in a book called the "Talmud," a book of traditions of the Russian Jews called Ashkenazims originally Khazars who converted to Judaism in 740 A.D.

And? Dude, hitler funded exibitions to holy places all over the world looking for holy relics of power to use as weapons of mass destruction. Indian Jones Raiders of the Lost Art had much truth to it. That was his only ambition.

The reformed Jews were those of the Tribe of Judah who conformed to the Hellenistic (323-30 B.C.) ways of Rome. Most of these reformed Jews held high or prosperous positions in the government. They prospered either as skilled workers, Roman soldiers or learnt scholars. The council of the Sanhedrin were of this class of people, as well as Saul’s father. These men modernized the laws and statutes given to the children of Israel by way of Moses. These laws were adjusted according to their Roman life styles. (Matthew 15:6, 16:6, 23:2-3, 23:23, 25) Jesus Christ referred to them in this way:

Matthew 15:8-9:
“The is the people that approach unto me with their mouths, and honour me with their lip service: but their heart is very far from me. But it is no use for in vain they worship me, because they teach man-made doctrines and commandments.”<br>
wheeewww!! finally some truth!!! out of all that you finally said something truth. I applaud you, but hell we all already knew that! Heck that was Ishua's mission, to bring the heart of the children BACK to the ancestors. Meaning he would restablish the laws according to their original meaning and form.

This is in an effort to set the record straight so don’t hate. The few over stand and that is all we need. Repeating it again, A few.

I really wish you didn't come here under these conditions, your first post being one of defiance and weak scholarship. It's appalling. These arguments have been over turned time and time again. With similar results.

Good Day

[CoUrTnEy]

WOW 1DELL!! you SHO blew someone's wig off with that one!! lol Remind me not to challenge you on anything lessin i got the facts and figures to back it up..

[1dell]

Shhhh, it's best to be humble

courtney said:

WOW 1DELL!! you SHO blew someone's wig off with that one!! lol Remind me not to challenge you on anything lessin i got the facts and figures to back it up..

[CoUrTnEy]

*acting humble* INdeed

1dell said:

Shhhh, it's best to be humble

[1dell]

There you go!!!

courtney said:

*acting humble* INdeed

[CoUrTnEy]

YOu know.. that is something about this board.. you will be welcomed by us all.. however if you come here- you gotta come correct.. with all your facts in check, all your T's crossed and your I's dotted.. we have several ppl on this board with more knowlege than most- and they got proof to back it up.

[1dell]

aint it the truth. Iron Sharpens Iron. You can see the glass half empty or half full. One who is trying to grow intellectually and mentally can profit from this online community because they can exchange ideas with so many people in one place of different faiths. But if you just come for a fight, it could be lights out.

It's moor so a disadvantage for me because I still hold on to the bible. Most people here have forsaken the bible, but their arguments are all the same and they have the same stuff coming out of their mouths and I haven't heard nothing new in the last 8 years. So debating them gets a bit ho hum. It's old hat. We all respect each other and dont step on each other's toes.

But I don't know how people can just read a book and think they got it all figured. Just because they have a hate for an organization, they mozzy on down the the book sto' and find a book written by some dude who claims the hebrews stole from the sumerian creation stories, it's all good and true. And what is that author's ONLYYYYYY source of proof? Because there are SIMILARITIES lawd ha murcy!!! And if we were to make an itemized list of the similarities, they were be FFAAAARRR less than the similarities you would find betwixt other creation stories.

But we know what thats all about don't we Courtney? the race of Satans are about their Serpent Father's work, For ions they have been enemies of the IHaWaH offspring and this is the war they wage, trying to discredit the Father, trying to disuade the hearts of his Offspring. but then again, the scriptures say the Father himself will give them over to strong delusion. Hey, this is how he separates the wheat from the chaff. Those who fall for the deceiptions become apostates. The scriptures state that If it were POSSIBLE, even the very elect would be deceived. Which tells me those who are elect will not be swayed because it is NOT possible for them to be deceived. I consider myself Elect Courtney, and you my elect sista

courtney said:

YOu know.. that is something about this board.. you will be welcomed by us all.. however if you come here- you gotta come correct.. with all your facts in check, all your T's crossed and your I's dotted.. we have several ppl on this board with more knowlege than most- and they got proof to back it up.

[1dell]

I just realized no one has really ansaared your questions. I will take a whack at it.

1)was jesus a jew?
To answer that question of course we must start with what is a JEW, NOT what has the word Jew become to mean. Lets start with the defy from dictionary.com:

An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.
A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.

\Jew\, n. [OF. Juis, pl., F. Juif, L. Judaeus, Gr. ?, fr. ? the country of the Jews, Judea, fr. Heb. Y?h?d[=a]h Judah, son of Jacob. Cf. Judaic.] Originally, one belonging to the tribe or kingdom of Judah; after the return from the Babylonish captivity, any member of the new state; a Hebrew; an Israelite.

And in truth the name derived from the patriarch Judah, at first given to one belonging to the tribe of Judah or to the separate kingdom of Judah (2 Kings 16:6; 25:25; Jer. 32:12; 38:19; 40:11; 41:3), in contradistinction from those belonging to the kingdom of the ten tribes, who were called Israelites. During the Captivity, and after the Restoration, the name, however, was extended to all the Hebrew nation without distinction (Esther 3:6, 10; Dan. 3:8, 12; Ezra 4:12; 5:1, 5). Originally this people were called Hebrews (Gen. 39:14; 40:15; Ex. 2:7; 3:18; 5:3; 1 Sam. 4:6, 9, etc.), but after the Exile this name fell into disuse. But Paul was styled a Hebrew (2 Cor. 11:22; Phil. 3:5). The history of the Jewish nation is interwoven with the history of Palestine and with the narratives of the lives of their rulers and chief men. They are now [1897] dispersed over all lands, and to this day remain a separate people, "without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image [R.V. 'pillar,' marg. 'obelisk'], and without an ephod, and without teraphim" (Hos. 3:4). Till about the beginning of the present century [1800] they were everywhere greatly oppressed, and often cruelly persecuted; but now their
condition is greatly improved, and they are admitted in most European countries to all the rights of free citizens. In 1860 the "Jewish disabilities" were removed, and they were admitted to a seat in the British parliament. Their number in all is estimated at about six millions, about four millions being in Europe. There are three names used in the New Testament to designate this people,

(1.) Jews, as regards their nationality, to distinguish them from Gentiles.

(2.) Hebrews, with regard to their language and education, to distinguish them from Hellenists, i.e., Jews who spoke the Greek language.

(3.) Israelites, as respects their sacred privileges as the chosen people of God. "To other races we owe the splendid inheritance of modern civilization and
secular culture; but the religious education of mankind has been the gift of the Jew alone."

Also too there was already a distinction made after the separation of David's decendants. Remember Ysra'al/Israel was Divided, you had the Ysra'al and you had Yhuda. So Technically in hindsight we could call the Yhuda kingdom, the Jews. And a remnant of them remaind in the land also as a promise from IHaWaH. While the other 11 tribes were dispursed all over the globe, not to mention in exile to babylon before their eventual return. And because the tribe of Yhuda had been holding it down all that time in their own land it was only natural that they would come back and be associated with the people who already occupied the land, those being Yhudym.

The question becomes then Was Jesus a Jew? lol Let see if the shoe fits, what tribe is he from? thats right, Yhuda. Here is the etymology of the word Jew [OF. Juis, pl., F. Juif, L. Judaeus, Gr. ?, fr. ? the country of the Jews, Judea, fr. Heb. Y?h?d[=a]h Judah, son of Jacob. Cf. Judaic.] In latin is't Judaeus pronounced Yudayus. Germany the enemy state of the Jews refered to them as Jude. Now in Germany the letter J is still the Letter Y so it's Yude, which is in fact the word Jew. So we know that Latin was a language in existance during the years of Jesus. And latin being the language spoken by the Romans, And they were under the Roman empire at the time. And we know that the When Ishua was born the Magi came looking for "the King of the Jews" and when he was on the execution stake, Pilate had the title stamped on the execution stake the superscription "the King of the Jews" In Hebrew, Greek, AND LATIN.

Back to the basics, What is a Jew? basically the word Jew is the ENGLISH word to identify the people whom the Latins are refering to, the people whom they conquered. Who when further research is conducted is just an inconsiderate label stamped on a one of the group of people whom the romans had within their empire. And upon closer inspection we find that those people were...oh nevermind.

Yes Jesus was a Jew.

2)was jew a term that even existed at the time that jesus was born?

Since Jew is an english word no it wasn't around since no one there spoke english. But since Jew falls into the etymological family of the word...wait, I think I just ansaared this question in the last question

3)what language was the ORIGINAL bible written in?
My answer is yes it was written in hebrew, Now what is hebrew? It's both a people AND a lanaguge. And like all languages, they do evolve. Do we speak elizabethian english today? Indeed not. So the style of hebrew changed. The hebrews had a language no? That language is called hebrew. So whatever they wrote, it was written in their language, that being hebrew. Now where scholars get caught up is in the ALPHABET that was used. Now just like all languages, there are borrowed words and dialects that enter in. In fact even within Hebrew where was a faction that pronounced words differently and it even cost some people their lives. Its in the bible I can show it to you if you are interested.

Here is moor info on the ancient hebrew www.ancient-hebrew.org/

Now technically the bible in it's totality is written in several languages not one dominating, Hebrew, Chaldee, Phoenician, Assyrian Aramaic, Greek and some Latin. Some are only a couple of versus long, some maybe just one sentence, but these languages have found themselves in the bible. See the bible is written by over 40 different authors over a few thousand years in span.

4)Jew is a term that exists now and is in the bible- how did it get there if the original bible did not contain that term?

I think I ansaared that question already

[Xavier]

Good day brother 1dell. i have one problem with your dialogue. I know that the "jews" that returned to Israel where not the "jews" of the bible. As you know, they were of the khazars and yiddish. I say this not out of any hatred for any race or tribe of people(i must make that disclaimer for those who know me not). But the israelies of today are 90% converts. We have discussed this before.

The reason I bring it up again because I have been pleasantly pleased by the response of many black americans in regard to "The Passion of Christ". Many are stating openly that the Messiah, Lord Savior, was black/brown. I state this not for some false race pride but for truth in alignment. Deut. stated that our name would be a byword and our culture would be given to another(please forgive me for not giving the passage number in the Book but you already know the debate, so I am keeping this very simple). Followers of the Way in all Tribes/Races are seeking all of the Truth. Displaying a white jesus and all the connotations of white supremacy is not doing it for us mentally or in the spirit. Our Being is calling for all of the Truth.

Whomever else is reading this, please understand that 1dell and I have a good history together. We have fought for and wrestled against each other while keeping the utmost respect. I always come from the foundation that after the dispersal of the Tribe of Judah in 7AD, due in part to the Romans(and prophecy), most of the tribe traveled to Ethiopia, sub saharan africa, Ghana, Nigeria, South Africa, etc. (Please check out the genetic proof that was given on an PBS special about the Limba tribe of south africa having Jewish "blood"-I wish I had the link but I know one of the brethren of Illuzion should have it, try kah). After arriving in these countries, the hebrews were absorbed by various tribes-especially yoruba, ashanti, and masai.

As many of us know, many slaves came from western african countries of ghana and nigeria. To this day, it has been shown that these tribes carry many Hebrew traditions and customs(the Limba tribes also demonstrate Israelite customs and traditions). I say all of this to say that many of us black folks in america are of Israelite blood.. We who claim to be of the Body of the Christ know that He cares for jew and gentile alike. But to begin to understand the Kingdom of GOD not only in the spiritual, we must know that we are inheritors in the physical. For it was foretold that we would not know who we are and our captors would benefit from our collective power(study american history and know that in every endeavor, until blacks were involved america would titter on the brink of collaspe. we were let in slowly. as our rights grew, america became a bigger superpower-check the correlation). We must be in alignment through and through. Regardless, let this be a segway into a post i wanted to start named "Renewal:Messianic Hebrews" about our heritage and putting our imprisonment in perspective.

Peace unto the 144,000 and multitudes of the Tribe of GOD. Our Power is of Grace and Truth in Body. I AM/WE Are.

[CoUrTnEy]

i found this on the net- tell me what you think:

Jesus was Born a Jew


Jesus is a real, historical person, born in the Land of Israel, during the Roman occupation, in approximately the year 3 BCE. However, at the time His name was actually pronounced, "Yeshua," and that is the name used in this article.

That Yeshua was born Jewish is one of the least contested truths of the Bible. The very first verse of the New Covenant reads: The book of the genealogy of Messiah Yeshua ("Jesus Christ"), the son of David, the son of Abraham (Matt. 1:1). Who were Abraham and David?

Abraham was the first Hebrew. God changed his name from Abram (Gen. 17:5). In Gen. 14:13 he is called Abram the Hebrew. So we can see that Yeshua (Jesus) is descended from "Abram the Hebrew." Even to this day, Jews are also called "Hebrews", and the language of the Jews is "Hebrew."

Abraham and his descendants were given the unconditional covenant of the Promised Land (Gen. 17:8) and the covenant of circumcision (Gen. 17:10). Abraham is the father of the Jews (Acts 3:12-25). Isaac was his son and Jacob was his grandson (Matt. 1:2). Thus, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are known as the Patriarchs, the fathers of the Jews.

Jacob's name was changed by God to "Israel" (Gen. 35:10-12) and he had twelve sons (Gen. 35:23-26) from whom come the Twelve Tribes of Israel. All of their descendants are known collectively throughout the Bible as the Children of Israel (Ex. 1:6-7).

One of those twelve sons was Judah (Gen. 35:23, Matt. 1:2) and it is from his name that we get the word 'Jew'. Although Yehudah (Judah) was only one of the twelve, by 700 BCE, because of the course of Israel's history, the word Yehudee (Jew) came to mean any person descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Jer. 34:9). So, for instance, Saul haShaliach (the Apostle Paul) was of the tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11:1) yet he self-identified as a Jew (Acts 22:3).

Nevertheless, according to the Bible, the Messiah must be descended from the tribe of Judah (Gen. 49:10) as King David was (1Sam. 17:12, 1Ch. 28:4) and descended from King David himself (2Sam. 7:12-13, Isa. 9:6-7, Jer. 23:5-6). That is why the Messiah is called Son of David (Matt. 21:9).

Yeshua (Jesus) is from the Tribe of Judah (Heb. 7:14). His earthly father was descended from David (Matt. 1:6-16) and His mother was as well (Luke 1:27, 32-34, 3:23-31).

In addition, Yeshua was born King of the Jews (Matt. 2:2). The King of the Jews must Himself be Jewish (Deut. 17:15). His aunt Elizabeth was Jewish (a descendant of Aaron, Moses' brother) and His uncle Zacharia was a Jewish priest (Luke 1:5, 36). Yeshua was circumcised according to Jewish law (Luke 2:21, Lev. 12:2-3), and redeemed according to Jewish law (Luke 2:22-23, Num. 18:15). His mother atoned according to Jewish law (Luke 2:24, Lev. 12:6-8). He is called The Consolation of Israel (Luke 2:25) and The Glory of Thy People Israel (Luke 2:32). Jesus was born a Jew.

[1dell]

oH yeah bro without doubt. I was talking aobut the Hebrews that returned to Ysra'al after the babylonian exile we find in teh books of NekhemIhawa and Ezra. Pre Messiah.

Xavier said:

Good day brother 1dell. i have one problem with your dialogue. I know that the "jews" that returned to Israel where not the "jews" of the bible. As you know, they were of the khazars and yiddish. I say this not out of any hatred for any race or tribe of people(i must make that disclaimer for those who know me not). But the israelies of today are 90% converts. We have discussed this before.

The reason I bring it up again because I have been pleasantly pleased by the response of many black americans in regard to "The Passion of Christ". Many are stating openly that the Messiah, Lord Savior, was black/brown. I state this not for some false race pride but for truth in alignment. Deut. stated that our name would be a byword and our culture would be given to another(please forgive me for not giving the passage number in the Book but you already know the debate, so I am keeping this very simple). Followers of the Way in all Tribes/Races are seeking all of the Truth. Displaying a white jesus and all the connotations of white supremacy is not doing it for us mentally or in the spirit. Our Being is calling for all of the Truth.

Whomever else is reading this, please understand that 1dell and I have a good history together. We have fought for and wrestled against each other while keeping the utmost respect. I always come from the foundation that after the dispersal of the Tribe of Judah in 7AD, due in part to the Romans(and prophecy), most of the tribe traveled to Ethiopia, sub saharan africa, Ghana, Nigeria, South Africa, etc. (Please check out the genetic proof that was given on an PBS special about the Limba tribe of south africa having Jewish "blood"-I wish I had the link but I know one of the brethren of Illuzion should have it, try kah). After arriving in these countries, the hebrews were absorbed by various tribes-especially yoruba, ashanti, and masai.

As many of us know, many slaves came from western african countries of ghana and nigeria. To this day, it has been shown that these tribes carry many Hebrew traditions and customs(the Limba tribes also demonstrate Israelite customs and traditions). I say all of this to say that many of us black folks in america are of Israelite blood.. We who claim to be of the Body of the Christ know that He cares for jew and gentile alike. But to begin to understand the Kingdom of GOD not only in the spiritual, we must know that we are inheritors in the physical. For it was foretold that we would not know who we are and our captors would benefit from our collective power(study american history and know that in every endeavor, until blacks were involved america would titter on the brink of collaspe. we were let in slowly. as our rights grew, america became a bigger superpower-check the correlation). We must be in alignment through and through. Regardless, let this be a segway into a post i wanted to start named "Renewal:Messianic Hebrews" about our heritage and putting our imprisonment in perspective.

Peace unto the 144,000 and multitudes of the Tribe of GOD. Our Power is of Grace and Truth in Body. I AM/WE Are.