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Post by jacqui on May 20, 2004 10:25:28 GMT -5
I have the book rebuttal to the slanderers book and the book answered the questions put forth by bilal phillips. I still have not seen anyone respond to any of the 360 questions.
Off the topic, when I came across this site I was totally happy. I thought wow a place where no matter what you may believe in there is something for everybody on it. I have spoken to Idell when I first got on and found him to be a very nice man. I am just really seeking a place where a person is respected for their difference in opinion, beliefs etc etc. I see a lot of people so quick to be self-righteous and so happy to put someone down for whatever reason. You have people who feel because they lived on the land and saw somethings they are in a higher class then you. people who feel because they walked with Farrakhan they know more then the ones who didn't. We all are going through the same things in life dealing with this beast. All of our is men, women and children are under attack. It doesn't matter what we beleive in. WHether christian and its many sects, muslim and its many sects, Judaism and its many sects, Nuwaubians and its many sects and so on and so forth we are all under attack. Lets try to care and understand each other, yes I said understand each other and not overstand. As long as we are quick to call each other devils, condemn, be nasty, be so self-righteous towards each other, the attacks will continue. As long as you are trying to do something positive for you, your family, our nation, I got your back and respect you, I don't care what you beleive. Just wanted to say that because this is such a beautiful site, but the hatred on it has to stop.
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Post by SatiyaH on May 20, 2004 10:45:54 GMT -5
I have the book rebuttal to the slanderers book and the book answered the questions put forth by bilal phillips. I still have not seen anyone respond to any of the 360 questions. Off the topic, when I came across this site I was totally happy. I thought wow a place where no matter what you may believe in there is something for everybody on it. I have spoken to Idell when I first got on and found him to be a very nice man. I am just really seeking a place where a person is respected for their difference in opinion, beliefs etc etc. I see a lot of people so quick to be self-righteous and so happy to put someone down for whatever reason. You have people who feel because they lived on the land and saw somethings they are in a higher class then you. people who feel because they walked with Farrakhan they know more then the ones who didn't. We all are going through the same things in life dealing with this beast. All of our is men, women and children are under attack. It doesn't matter what we beleive in. WHether christian and its many sects, muslim and its many sects, Judaism and its many sects, Nuwaubians and its many sects and so on and so forth we are all under attack. Lets try to care and understand each other, yes I said understand each other and not overstand. As long as we are quick to call each other devils, condemn, be nasty, be so self-righteous towards each other, the attacks will continue. As long as you are trying to do something positive for you, your family, our nation, I got your back and respect you, I don't care what you beleive. Just wanted to say that because this is such a beautiful site, but the hatred on it has to stop. Very well spoken, I agree with most of what you say. I don't think the few on here who once lived on Tamare feel they are a higher class--if anything, they have some humility to themselves that they were in it so "deep" thinking York was god-like. That takes a lot of humbleness to admit, to be able to say "yeah--I used to think he was god (or god-like), and I bore his children even though he had many other women!" I myself have never lived on Tamare. This site is beautiful,but I've learned it is not for the overly opinionated (which I can be ) or the weak. Your feelings may get hurt here, your faith stepped on, your beliefs criticized--but it's all a part of the learning process here. If you put your beliefs out here--you put them out here knowing they are up for comments. I'm "white" and am a part of an inter-racial relationship--making that known I know I have subjected myself to opinions and criticism (so what!!) Agreeing and respecting are two different things. I can say though I don't agree with many on this board--I respect everyone (most of the time ) Respect gets respect from me! I don't agree with all Master9 has to say, however I do actually love him like a brother To me, a perfect world does not consist of us all believing and thinking alike, but by sharing our views of life and getting along while doing so.
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Post by Hathor on May 20, 2004 10:54:29 GMT -5
"Satiyah, Hold-Up!"
"You bore His children???"
"Even though He had many other wives???"
"Say What???"
"You've gotta be kidding, right???"
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Post by DenhamEL on May 20, 2004 10:56:33 GMT -5
Peace Brotherman Shamgod777! You are correct, I was in Syracuse, New York at that time this was around 87! Hardcore 5% since 81! The Ansaars came Upstate , Tabliqing as they called it! They had alot of problems up here, with the GODS! I had the Rebuttal book that Doc wrote, it was not as indepth as Bro. Phillips book! I remember Monticello and the so called "Dhikr" circles where many would tell you that beings would enter the circle and "chant remembreance" of ALLAH! Also that was supposedly the place of many "sightings" back in the eighties! Peace and Love! Denham-El Peace, Brother Ralph. Yes MZYork responded to that book very annoyed. By late 80's York started to put out leaflets direspecting Sunni Islam. He put out video's talking about how Sunni Muslims were not practicing Islam according to Muhammad and the Prophets. Bilip Philips came out with his book and Dr. York Put out his Book Titled -: The Ansaars Cult- Rebuttle to the Slanders. He gave this book out Free for a week(ed) then his followers started to sell the Book for $20-25 dollars.(Pedlers) Then York thought he was big time and Put out a telephone looking Book called 360 Questions to Ask a Sunni Muslim, a few years later. I thought that was Halarious. He Vowed to get back to those Sunni Muslims for talking about him. At this time York was nowhere to be found he was in his Compound in Monticelo NY(Upstate NY) then moving to the South. At this Time the Brothers(Gods) part of the Nation of Gods and Earths and the Sunni Muslims were not Messing/Vibing with the Ansaars. Those Ansaar brothers were scared. They hid certain books that they sold. For instance if you wanted a copy of the Book of the Five Percenters-they would reach in there bag-look around and sell it to you, on the sneak tip. They wouldn't leave it on there tables-for someone would of Snatched it off of the table. Basically the Rebuttal to the Slanders book-was dissing ex-members that was interviewed by bilal phipips-saying they were junkies and they were non productive members in Yorks community. Where Bilial states that York made up his Mahdi lineage and provided facts that proved it as well.
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Post by SatiyaH on May 20, 2004 11:00:27 GMT -5
"Satiyah, Hold-Up!" "You bore His children???" "Even though He had many other wives???" "Say What???" "You've gotta be kidding, right???" Not me, reread it. I clearly said: "I don't think the few on here who once lived on Tamare feel they are a higher class--if anything, they have some humility to themselves that they were in it so "deep" thinking York was god-like. That takes a lot of humbleness to admit, to be able to say "yeah--I used to think he was god (or god-like), and I bore his children even though he had many other women!" I myself have never lived on Tamare."
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Post by Ralph on May 20, 2004 11:53:51 GMT -5
I have the book rebuttal to the slanderers book and the book answered the questions put forth by bilal phillips. I still have not seen anyone respond to any of the 360 questions. Off the topic, when I came across this site I was totally happy. I thought wow a place where no matter what you may believe in there is something for everybody on it. I have spoken to Idell when I first got on and found him to be a very nice man. I am just really seeking a place where a person is respected for their difference in opinion, beliefs etc etc. I see a lot of people so quick to be self-righteous and so happy to put someone down for whatever reason. You have people who feel because they lived on the land and saw somethings they are in a higher class then you. people who feel because they walked with Farrakhan they know more then the ones who didn't. We all are going through the same things in life dealing with this beast. All of our is men, women and children are under attack. It doesn't matter what we beleive in. WHether christian and its many sects, muslim and its many sects, Judaism and its many sects, Nuwaubians and its many sects and so on and so forth we are all under attack. Lets try to care and understand each other, yes I said understand each other and not overstand. As long as we are quick to call each other devils, condemn, be nasty, be so self-righteous towards each other, the attacks will continue. As long as you are trying to do something positive for you, your family, our nation, I got your back and respect you, I don't care what you beleive. Just wanted to say that because this is such a beautiful site, but the hatred on it has to stop. Nice post. We are all on here to learn. I have made many new friends and look forward to meeting everybody in the future; however, the problem comes when others are not open to the truth..........
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 20, 2004 11:58:36 GMT -5
this is on point. WELL SAID! I have the book rebuttal to the slanderers book and the book answered the questions put forth by bilal phillips. I still have not seen anyone respond to any of the 360 questions. Off the topic, when I came across this site I was totally happy. I thought wow a place where no matter what you may believe in there is something for everybody on it. I have spoken to Idell when I first got on and found him to be a very nice man. I am just really seeking a place where a person is respected for their difference in opinion, beliefs etc etc. I see a lot of people so quick to be self-righteous and so happy to put someone down for whatever reason. You have people who feel because they lived on the land and saw somethings they are in a higher class then you. people who feel because they walked with Farrakhan they know more then the ones who didn't. We all are going through the same things in life dealing with this beast. All of our is men, women and children are under attack. It doesn't matter what we beleive in. WHether christian and its many sects, muslim and its many sects, Judaism and its many sects, Nuwaubians and its many sects and so on and so forth we are all under attack. Lets try to care and understand each other, yes I said understand each other and not overstand. As long as we are quick to call each other devils, condemn, be nasty, be so self-righteous towards each other, the attacks will continue. As long as you are trying to do something positive for you, your family, our nation, I got your back and respect you, I don't care what you beleive. Just wanted to say that because this is such a beautiful site, but the hatred on it has to stop.
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Post by Hathor on May 20, 2004 12:06:27 GMT -5
Satiyah said:
"Hathor your late in all this. So please hold back your 'venom'. This is a time for both parties involved to begin healing. There is nothing on here that justifies you calling someone a 'Traitor' or a 'Liar'. How you talk about walking with "The Lamb" and struggling in this mission, Balkis and Myself have already been there done that and got a t-shirt. Well you came late and only dream about doing what we've done. Exactly who are you, for you to step up and say what your saying with any authority? Please spare us the Anu, and ET stories"
"Why should I spare you the Anu and ET stories? That is the foundation of His Purpose for being with Us. And as far as you saying that I'm Late in all of this? All of what? York said that 'Reuben - these people will be the First Fruits. Good but Not Faithful. They were here in the 1970's A.D. but now they're outside Backbiting about the Past." You all are and always have been looking for faults as if you all are fault-free. York made Himself clear that He would take you through many schools of throught. You all could not keep up with the advancement into the Mental Arena. You all trust in the europeans way of life more than Your Own ancestors way of life. You all complain more about York ways than you do about the ways of the world. York has tried Many Things to get us started for SELF. Look at us as a people. We're still divided no matter how much money we make. We won't even give a brother a chance before we tear him down. You may say that I come Late, but I'll say, "I'm Holding on no matter what because I know this is a Grand Test of Faith. I would rather be 'In' than 'Out', for I trust York more than I trust 'the bushes, the kennedys, the clintons, the nixons, the politicians, the lawyers, and the list can go on and on and on. And about the way I voice myself - listen, we're grown on this board, right? So what's the problem? You know how we get down...stop frontin!"
"As a Matter-Of-Fact, everybody Stop Frontin!"
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Post by shamgod777 on May 20, 2004 12:12:18 GMT -5
Peace-- You got to be kidding me. Ms. Jocqui. You say that folks on here seem to be so self righteous and people on here talking about different groups and all. Since your comment was after mine, I take it it was towards me too. When I make comments about Nuwauubians and Yorks teachings, it comes from a observation perspective. Since I have some of his literature from back in the day's and I now see many contradictions to its philosophy. Where York was the only person in Conscious circles that talked about any and everybody. You have never seen Farrakhan even mention Yorks name. You have never seen Ben Amin mention Yorks name. You have never seen York Bashed in the 5 Percenter Newspaper. But YOU say we have to fight the Beast(European) but when I mention that York was wrong for talking negative about ALL the groups above. But WE are wrong when we mention Yorks short coming. I have never heard a Nuwaubian say--You know what York was foul for saying shit about the sunni's or York was wrong for putting Masonic information in his books. But You want to make it seem like we can all come together and it's Hunky Dory, Kum Ba Yah my Lord. Naw, York started a War with Every Conscious Group for his Own Self gain. This is True. Because he was the only one that Banked the Loot. Some say these are traits of Co-intellipro--government inspired operations to destroy so-called Black groups--As Hoover(FBI) said --To Destroy the Black Messiah--which is none other than the Unification of Our People. So when you read a person Disecting Yorks Books and Philosophies--Look at it as " York intiated the Battle" And if you claim to be a follower of His--Then You are held responsible for his actions-This is called Justice.
Peace
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Post by jacqui on May 20, 2004 12:35:07 GMT -5
Very well spoken, I agree with most of what you say. I don't think the few on here who once lived on Tamare feel they are a higher class--if anything, they have some humility to themselves that they were in it so "deep" thinking York was god-like. That takes a lot of humbleness to admit, to be able to say "yeah--I used to think he was god (or god-like), and I bore his children even though he had many other women!" I myself have never lived on Tamare. This site is beautiful,but I've learned it is not for the overly opinionated (which I can be ) or the weak. Your feelings may get hurt here, your faith stepped on, your beliefs criticized--but it's all a part of the learning process here. If you put your beliefs out here--you put them out here knowing they are up for comments. I'm "white" and am a part of an inter-racial relationship--making that known I know I have subjected myself to opinions and criticism (so what!!) Agreeing and respecting are two different things. I can say though I don't agree with many on this board--I respect everyone (most of the time ) Respect gets respect from me! I don't agree with all Master9 has to say, however I do actually love him like a brother To me, a perfect world does not consist of us all believing and thinking alike, but by sharing our views of life and getting along while doing so. That was my main point, it is okay to disagree with someone and their opinion or belief. That is cool. My statement was more so when through the course of disagreeing it turns to disrespect. No doctrine should teache that. Everyone agreeing and thinking alike is not a perfect world to me, it is boring as heck. Peace.
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Post by SUDAN on May 20, 2004 12:38:12 GMT -5
ShamGod you are correct... None of the Conscious Diadem's mentioned (Nation of Islam, Hebrew Israelites,Moorish Science Temple, etc.) wrote books dedicated to debunking York or have released since York's imprisonment a "I told you so" literature cheering York's fall! Civility towards one's fellow man/woman is a trait of a qualitative pedigree.
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Post by Ralph on May 20, 2004 12:38:41 GMT -5
That was my main point, it is okay to disagree with someone and their opinion or belief. That is cool. My statement was more so when through the course of disagreeing it turns to disrespect. No doctrine should teache that. Everyone agreeing and thinking alike is not a perfect world to me, it is boring as heck. Peace. YOu are right on point when you stated that "No doctrine should teach that!" But if you read the archives, if anybody disagreed with the York doctrine they were called trader, slanderer,etc...
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Post by Hathor on May 20, 2004 12:39:57 GMT -5
"Shamgod777, York came to break the spell of ignorance, under Religion. He had to break down those other false schools to deliver us from under the spell of religion. He had to attack the source of what is Holding Us Back, which is Religion. He had to walk us through those same schools of religion to free it out of our system, yet, we Still Want Religion. Notice that all Superior Science of Schools do not deal with religion. The europeans do not deal with religion except to play at it to Fool Us. They practice catholiclism and then make the cross and will go out and hit a person off and then repent again and again and do the same thing again and will be successful with it. We, on the other hand, just keep staying on our freaking knees. Lo! Something is really wrong with that! There is a better way to practice your faith and that is what He tried to tell us. However, we first Must overstand WHO we really are (children of extra-terrestials) and what and how this Planet (plan-ET) came about. Yes, this planet is an Extra-terrestial Plan which is very Mysterious. Many people KNOW this and yet the Majority does not. York is Way Ahead of Us, but wanted Us to catch up. Yet we want to lag behind in what - Religion..."
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Post by Ralph on May 20, 2004 12:45:06 GMT -5
ShamGod you are correct... None of the Conscious Diadem's mentioned (Nation of Islam, Hebrew Israelites,Moorish Science Temple, etc.) wrote books dedicated to debunking York or have released since York's imprisonment a "I told you so" literature cheering York's fall! Civility towards one's fellow man/woman is a trait of a qualitative pedigree. Well The Phylaxis Society is about educating people. Especially those who parade around as Freemasons... There will be a few reviews of York's books on Masonry. The funny part is that he slaps a Masonic emblem on books that do not talk about freemasonry. Good marketing tool.... freemasonry.org/jawalkes/bogus.htm
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Post by Hathor on May 20, 2004 12:48:19 GMT -5
"Certain people who were very close to York and knew the 'Ways' of His, were suppose to stay loyal. They broke that loyalty. Therefore, they are now traitors. A slander is someone who makes up tales against someone and broadcast it. If what is being broadcast is true than that is Not slandering. If the words are false, than that Is a slanderer. There are people of such characters in all walks of life. If the shoe doesn't fit you, than it's not you, that's all."
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