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Post by SatiyaH on Mar 7, 2004 9:30:32 GMT -5
Yo Then Derek responds a week later with what you see here. Maybe the dude suffers from ADD and didn't bother to read past the first paragraph or something. It's all good. First off, it hasn't been an entire week. You started the threads up regarding what took place in the PalTalk room. You and Courtney started up the posts attempting to debunk the issues brought forth. You have attempted to belittle my husband in numerous ways by alluding he gets his information due to being a former Nuwaubian--yet when he shows you where other reputable writers have said the same things--you come back with cracks about cut and paste. But you say you aren't emotional over this? As far as the "dude" being ADD. Why another crack 1Dell? What is with you? Is this a cyber attempt to a pissing contest? |
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Post by SatiyaH on Mar 7, 2004 10:00:07 GMT -5
Oh, and another thing  which Derek did address, and all will note for themselves is the issue of you coming back and amending your posts AFTER the original post had been commented on  My husband's FINAL post to this thread was at: 6:38 pm on 3/06/04, yet you go back at 7:58pm on 3/06/04 and edit your post that he had responded to  An hour and 20 minutes later--and he had not come back to respond. Now you keep on talking shit with Kah and calling my husband a boy! Why 1Dell? What is really your problem? You said you got mad cause he was talking to Courtney weren't you busy with Kat already(for 40 minutes)? Is this what it's all about? You are very emotional about this, and stop denying it. You would "cuss out" everybody when it wasn't going your way. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 7, 2004 10:15:32 GMT -5
Been sippin on some syrupppppp  You in rare form 2nite bru, what you been sippin on? |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 7, 2004 10:20:27 GMT -5
Oh damm! what is goin on here ? I aint know this debate between 1dell and Derek is that serious , is it ?  . I HOPE NOT. Lets just have a pleasant intellectual debate. It don't need to get that serious PEOPLE!!! Oh, and another thing which Derek did address, and all will note for themselves is the issue of you coming back and amending your posts AFTER the original post had been commented on My husband's FINAL post to this thread was at: 6:38 pm on 3/06/04, yet you go back at 7:58pm on 3/06/04 and edit your post that he had responded to An hour and 20 minutes later--and he had not come back to respond. Now you keep on talking shit with Kah and calling my husband a boy! Why 1Dell? What is really your problem? You said you got mad cause he was talking to Courtney weren't you busy with Kat already(for 40 minutes)? Is this what it's all about? You are very emotional about this, and stop denying it. You would "cuss out" everybody when it wasn't going your way. |
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Post by KnaxemDead on Mar 7, 2004 12:17:46 GMT -5
Thank you Shanda, I appreciate you and what you said. It's not that deep for me Kah, nor was it ever a debate.
"If this is such a senstive subject for you (1dell), recalling your invectiveness from paltalk, then I would rather leave it alone and keep my peace."
I still stand by this.
You 1dell stated in an earlier post, " the sign of defeat is name calling. "
You must feel defeated because 1dell, you've called me all types of flagrant names, which is unnecessary if you were actually countering my points instead of diverting them with post of you filibustering. I've kept my peace as you threw cheap shots at me. You have accused me of your cut & paste methods. That idle threat of posting 'alledgely 300 Messianic Prophecies' is exactly that, a cut and paste! You blatantly lied previously, stating there was only 40 Messianic Prophecies. You were oblivious to the subject! To go from 40 to 300 is a leap, which tells me you didn't comprehend what you were reading when you read the bible. Christanity praticed then isn't how it is done now, even during the time with the writers of the NT, several revisions (translations, transliterations, interpretations) were made to the manuscript copies. It was their concentrated effort to make Jesus (Y'shua) the expected Messiah. Today you have many Christian demonations (sects) who became aware of these or similiar inconsistencies, splitting off from each other with slight variantions of who they think Jesus of 2,000 years ago is. That alone puts the number of Jesus's well over 14.
Original Christianity, is what a radical judaic sect called Essenes (Esse-Jesus) praticed, it was them who awaited TWO MESSIAH's (Kingly of David, Priestly of Aaron) which I already written about. All I am doing is working our way back through all translations,interpretations,inference and transliterations that came after, which are 'superimposed' on Jesus to make him into something he didn't claim. I personally want to know Jesus as he really was/is, and what he taught. As Hosea says ' I called my Son out of Egypt'. Jesus received his 'calling' (appointment to office) in EGYPT he studied in Egypt at an early age, which is missing from those text and for good reason. Jesus came back from Egypt at age of 13 a man, according to the text, he was able to explain all that was in T'nakh, which he, himself referred to as 'Your Law'. So I am ridiculed by you 1dell by standing to this truth, and not giving in to 'conventional wisdom' which you can only offer anybody.
Hopefully this ends this futile discussion, until you are emotionally ready for what I got to teach.
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Post by Zandor on Mar 7, 2004 12:31:10 GMT -5
shut your mouth kah... this is a fuckin good debate! Oh damm! what is goin on here ? I aint know this debate between 1dell and Derek is that serious , is it ? . I HOPE NOT. Lets just have a pleasant intellectual debate. It don't need to get that serious PEOPLE!!! |
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Post by KnaxemDead on Mar 7, 2004 12:38:40 GMT -5
In the above post, I said there are many Christian " demonations". I mean, denominations |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 7, 2004 14:08:38 GMT -5
 a'ight carry on , come out yo corners and lets see some goddamm blood!! DING DING!! shut your mouth kah... this is a fuckin good debate!
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Post by KnaxemDead on Mar 7, 2004 15:17:43 GMT -5
I don't debate Kah just for your mere entertainment, those days are long over. This is not the proper forum considering the magnitude of such a topic itself. Albeit, I surely don't need this type of 'drama' to sale the book. Which is one of 1dell's apologetic rational in frivolous attempt to save face. Kah, just tell your partna 1dell, to first relax, by letting it go, rub his ears while saying Woo-sah. Until then, 1dell isn't worth my time to put so much effort in a debate, especially since this board has low registry, and really only a few participants.
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 7, 2004 15:29:10 GMT -5
Oh man! you know darn well wit all them insults laced in this posting of yours aint no way in HELL! my compadre 1dell gonna back down on you now. I need my toes on me feet and hands to count them jabs you just took at him. That aint a way to end it! Oh maannn I see some more dramaaaaaa!!!!!!!! LOL!!! I don't debate Kah just for your mere entertainment, those days are long over. This is not the proper forum considering the magnitude of such a topic itself. Albeit, I surely don't need this type of 'drama' to sale the book. Which is one of 1dell's apologetic rational in frivolous attempt to save face. Kah, just tell your partna 1dell, to first relax, by letting it go, rub his ears while saying Woo-sah. Until then, 1dell isn't worth my time to put so much effort in a debate, especially since this board has low registry, and really only a few participants. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 7, 2004 18:31:42 GMT -5
Sati, check it out. I wish to God you could have read the post before hand because ALLLLLL I did was change ONE word. You know I am the damn typo king. I reread everything I said because you HUSBAND get talking about how I was babbling and evading the issue. So I read each and every one of my posts over again and when I reread this one I realized that one word had a typo. ONE STINKING word. But I don't expect you to believe me, it's cool, whatever you all think will give derek the advantae go ahead and play that hand. because you are his wife I would expect you to come to his rescue. He posted respectable authors that comply with his idealisms? And? just 2 stinking authors! please, don't make me post ALL the dayum authors that counter his authors. Thats NOT the issue!!! He is TRYING to refute whats IN the book when it's PLAIN and clear that he doesn't know what he is talking about because I am USING the book to refute what HE is saying is IN the book. What do those authors have to do with it? I tell you what Sati, I can respect the fact you want to defend your husband, I can, but if he is wrong he is wrong. You are gettin on me for calling him a boy, please, I didn't post half the things he has called me. I was being kind if I even called him that. I called him dude, I call EVERYBODY dude! thats just how me and Kah talks. I am telling you now I have NOTHING to be re edit in ANY of my posts other than one measely typo where I think the word was thing when I meant to say think. But like I said, believe what you want to believe. Oh, and another thing which Derek did address, and all will note for themselves is the issue of you coming back and amending your posts AFTER the original post had been commented on My husband's FINAL post to this thread was at: 6:38 pm on 3/06/04, yet you go back at 7:58pm on 3/06/04 and edit your post that he had responded to An hour and 20 minutes later--and he had not come back to respond. Now you keep on talking shit with Kah and calling my husband a boy! Why 1Dell? What is really your problem? You said you got mad cause he was talking to Courtney weren't you busy with Kat already(for 40 minutes)? Is this what it's all about? You are very emotional about this, and stop denying it. You would "cuss out" everybody when it wasn't going your way. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 7, 2004 18:40:53 GMT -5
Dude it could have been an intelligent conversation but when I am talking in the room and I have someone saying I am babbling and just typing all sorts of derespectful ish at me, then disresprect begets disrespect. NOW he wan'ts to be civilized and carry on a conversation. Dude plain and simple he was wrong about many things, and instead of concentrating on those things, we are all here majoring in the minors as to why I am being "emotional" about this and that etc etc etc. Never addressing the issues. This has obviously turned into a testosterone match. As long as somebody continues to say I am wrong about something I have spent the last 12 years studying, then we are going to have problems. Sorry I ain't "man" enough to let a dude call me wrong and insult me in front of people and not retaliate. LOL. It's not in my Arien nature to retreat or surrender. I figured people would know this by now after 6 years Oh damm! what is goin on here ? I aint know this debate between 1dell and Derek is that serious , is it ? . I HOPE NOT. Lets just have a pleasant intellectual debate. It don't need to get that serious PEOPLE!!! |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 7, 2004 19:07:35 GMT -5
No Reuben it's not a good debate. Because I am presenting information and all I am getting back in return is protests about my deliver of the information it has not been shown or proven where my information is errant. All I am getting is people coming back at me without focus. People harping on some bull jank instead of the information that is on the table for debate. I mean I have posted information that instead of getting returned answers, all I get is "you're just babbling" an easy cop out if you ask me. The information is not being dealt with, Ole dude comes up in here claiming that Ishua didn't fullfill some messianic prophecies and when he posts the prophecies in question, they aint even about the Messiah at all. Dude this aint even a debate, it's an argument. Plain and simple. I expected moor. shut your mouth kah... this is a fuckin good debate! |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 7, 2004 19:13:19 GMT -5
Save face? Nigga please!!! lol I ONLY apologized because I noticed that you said the bible was INFALLIBLE. When I saw that you said it was INFALLIBLE which means without ERROR, then I apologized for saying that you were saying it was full of errors. Thats ALL I was apologizing for. YOu seem to make it a habit to misconstrue what I am saying. That is why I am starting to truly doubt if you are even reading past the first paragraph of anything I am saying I don't debate Kah just for your mere entertainment, those days are long over. This is not the proper forum considering the magnitude of such a topic itself. Albeit, I surely don't need this type of 'drama' to sale the book. Which is one of 1dell's apologetic rational in frivolous attempt to save face. Kah, just tell your partna 1dell, to first relax, by letting it go, rub his ears while saying Woo-sah. Until then, 1dell isn't worth my time to put so much effort in a debate, especially since this board has low registry, and really only a few participants. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 7, 2004 20:17:29 GMT -5
Thank you Shanda, I appreciate you and what you said. It's not that deep for me Kah, nor was it ever a debate.
sure it's a debate for you, why would you bother responding in the first place? I purposely left yours and GTO Messiah's name out of it in order to protect the likes of both you'ze"
If this is such a senstive subject for you (1dell), recalling your invectiveness from paltalk, then I would rather leave it alone and keep my peace.
I still stand by this.
Don't worry about my passion for the subject, worry about your faulty information. Deal with that. Thats what you REALLY need to concentrate on rather than my responses. That seems to be all you want to talk about you have failed to address the subject matter I am addressing, all you want to do is try and belittle my character by mentioning my passion for the subject. LoL. Another nuwaubian strategy that is all too old and tired
You 1dell stated in an earlier post, " the sign of defeat is name calling. "
You must feel defeated because 1dell, you've called me all types of flagrant names, which is unnecessary if you were actually countering my points instead of diverting them with post of you filibustering. I've kept my peace as you threw cheap shots at me.
LOL man what have you been smokin bro? It's OBVIOUS now that you haven't read a daggone thing I have typed. I had addressed EACH AND EVERYONE of your "issues". What names have I called you derrick? other than Dude? lol I call everybody dude! YOu have said I was ignorant, called me a babbler, an evader and much moor. But now you want to play all sanctamonious on me like you are the victim. LOL. That too is an old and tired strategy. Awww poor wittle Derek... Man focus and conZENtrate on the issues. I dont give a rats....sorry courtney... Just stick to the christ topics you are spending WAYYY too much time talking about how violated you feel because I am being super meaney.
You have accused me of your cut & paste methods. That idle threat of posting 'alledgely 300 Messianic Prophecies' is exactly that, a cut and paste!
Dude aint nothing wrong with cut and pastes but when you cut and paste arguments and trying to claim they are your arguments when you haven't thoroughly studied to answer for yourself, then thats some ole punk ish! I TOLD You before hand I could cut and paste it then I said funk that you can find it yourself and told you what info to put in the search engine. That 300 Prophecies of the Messiah is NOT an argument, it's just a page with information on it. That is TOTALLY different than relying on that to do my arguing for me. I am willing to go down each prophecy one by one with you to address ANY concern you might have. because its OBVIOUS you know NOTHING of this information or else it would have tempered your errant information.
You blatantly lied previously, stating there was only 40 Messianic Prophecies. You were oblivious to the subject! To go from 40 to 300 is a leap, which tells me you didn't comprehend what you were reading when you read the bible.
Yeah you obviously are not reading my posts because I already addressed this before, about how I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Show me where I said there were ONLY 40 Messianic Prophecies. You won't find it kiddo! lol!!! OOOH I just called you Kiddo does that mean I called you a name? Aww sowwy. What I SAID was that you haven't mentioned 80% of the messianic prophecies, I wasn't talking about JUST that post I am talking about that along with what you have mentioned since this conversation began. I told you previously that I was saying 80% to give you the benefit of the doubt. But hey if thats your only ammunition, play on playa. I guess thats moor funner for you than addressing REAL issues.
Christanity praticed then isn't how it is done now,
I agree with you on that. Finally something we can agree about
even during the time with the writers of the NT, several revisions (translations, transliterations, interpretations) were made to the manuscript copies.
Whatever bro, if you have a problem with the translations, get your hands on a copy of the actual aramaic interlinear, or the Peshitta will suffice.
It was their concentrated effort to make Jesus (Y'shua) the expected Messiah. Today you have many Christian demonations (sects) who became aware of these or similiar inconsistencies, splitting off from each other with slight variantions of who they think Jesus of 2,000 years ago is. That alone puts the number of Jesus's well over 14.
Dude the division and denominations ALL agree that Ishua was the Messiah, they disagree whether he was the Michael the Archangel micheal, whether he was God whether he was not God and whether we should follow this law or that law. Dude please do your research. Name me a Christian denomination that doesn't beleive that Ishua was the Messiah. Thats an oxymoron pal, oops I just called you a name, pal. my bad. To have a Christian that says Ishua wasn't the Messiah is an oxymoron.
Original Christianity, is what a radical judaic sect called Essenes (Esse-Jesus) praticed, it was them who awaited TWO MESSIAH's (Kingly of David, Priestly of Aaron) which I already written about. All I am doing is working our way back through all translations,interpretations,inference and transliterations that came after, which are 'superimposed' on Jesus to make him into something he didn't claim. I personally want to know Jesus as he really was/is, and what he taught.
Well continue your search bro, I wish you well on your journey. You have a ways to go yet
As Hosea says ' I called my Son out of Egypt'. Jesus received his 'calling' (appointment to office) in EGYPT he studied in Egypt at an early age, which is missing from those text and for good reason. Jesus came back from Egypt at age of 13 a man,
OOOO KKKK!!!!. LoL dude PLEASE show me in scripture where Ishau left egypt at the age of 13? LOLOL HEEEERRRREE we gooo!!
Mat 2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
Mat 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
Ok So they went to egypt when Ishua was about 1 years old how do we know this? because Herod sent word to have male children 2 years and under killed. it took him a minute to realized that he was mocked when the Magi didn't return to him. BUUTTT we know that Yosef returned to Ysra'al when HEROD DIED so the question is WHEN did herod die?
Mat 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
Mat 2:20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
Ok, you said that Ishua was a 13 year MAN when he returned to Isra'al. Come on bro here we find that Ishua was a YOUNG CHILD when they returned. Heck in the Book of Lukas we find Ishua in the temple at the age of 12 confounding the teachers. But you say he came back when he was 13.
STILL we have one last issue to address the death of herod. Sources reveal that according to the Jupiter Retrograde Ishua was born around 6 or 7 AD. Herod Dies in 4 A.D. sources say. Dude, they weren't in Egypt but a hot minute for maybe a year or 2 max.
Derek, if you want to know Messiah as you say you do, you should really try to become a student again because your info is just not thought out, nor is it accurate.
Besides this dude, tell me exactly what egypt Ishua and his family went into? Ancient egypt or whatever was left of egypt after the greeks raped the place?
according to the text, he was able to explain all that was in T'nakh, which he, himself referred to as 'Your Law'. So I am ridiculed by you 1dell by standing to this truth, and not giving in to 'conventional wisdom' which you can only offer anybody.
Hopefully this ends this futile discussion, until you are emotionally ready for what I got to teach.
hopefully this does end this futile conversation. Dude you need to pull up a cushion and sit at my feet and let me learn you a thing about about what you are supposing to have knowledge of. Because I have shown you time and time again how your arguments are replete with holes and errors. You are trying to show me a 3 dimensional diamond in 1 dimension. You MUST take all things into consideration comparing scripture with scriptures. And because you have failed to do so you come here time and time again only to leave embarrassed. Only to come back and harp on how I am making you look like a victim.
It's really time out for all this derek, All I see you doing is trying to hold on to your pride before the face of the multitude of nuwaubians and Illuminopolites. Dude if you are wrong be man enough to admit it, and dawg you ilz wrong as hell. Plain and simple.
If you want to teach me ANYTHING, you need to get in the book and reveal this book to me, but I have 12 years on you bro and from the looks of thangs you have some SERIOUS catching up to do.
Shalom Aleikhem
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