Were there any disciples at Ishua's trial?

[1dell]

You keep refering to how I acted on paltalk. Hell dont beat around the bush. I cussed your ass out!! lOLOL plain and simple. I addressed your issues head on. actually you are right I am wrong about the percentage. And I was going to correct myself in this post. Hell I was TRYING to give you the benefit of the doubt by posting that. lol. But you aint even scratching the surface bro. And YOU STILL evading the issue.

Vindictive? chile please! Dawg, I am like if you gonna come up in chere trying to disprove an entire religion you better come stronger than just 4 or 5 scriptures that you CLAIM are about the Messiah but aren't.

Dude all I am saying is that you aint disproving a thing. What you ARE disproving is me however. I used to think you were a thoroughly researched and knowledgeable dude. Maybe you are, but not when it comes to the bible. I have been thoroughly disappointed.

You are right derek you are absosmurfly right, I did contradict myself because I said you left out 80% of MESSIANIC prophecies, when in fact you didn't even present any messianic prophecies!!!! NOT ONE scripture has to do with the Messiah. Like I said I will give you the benefit of the doubt about the "My Servant David" Prophecy. Yeah reincarnation baby!!! but thats another study.

Have an intelligent conversation? Dude thats not why you are here. Not at all. Pride has you here. everybody on Illuminopolis knows very dayum well, you aint taking me from the bible. You can't and you won't. If there are errors in the book I will be the first to admit it and HAVE admitted it. But these "errors" you are bringing forth are nothing moor than just poor scholarship. Let me clarify when I say errors. I am talking about translational errors.

Illuminopolis is founded on We EACH have our own path. I concentrate on mine, you concentrate on yours. If you have something that I learn from, teach me, I will do likewise. You teach me from yours, I'll teach you from mine. I ain't going around here debating muslims, debating moorish science folks, etc etc. So I am trying to figure out why these attacks? Heck I am chillin in the room on paltalk. then I walk away for about 40 minutes ( ) only to come back and you are talkin that jank with courtney. Even GTO, the baddest mofo on the planet, asked you why are you even going there with 1dell. Eveybody knows how I feel about this crap, so they don't waste their time debating me about it.

Hey call me what you want. Say I'm weak, call me ignorant. That aint nothing but a gnat on a hippo's hin' 'pots bro. I don't come here to debate nick names, I come here to debate the info. And as it stands the info aint correct. So there is nothing to talk about. You are not a student of my book derek. So what do we have to talk about? NOTHING. All you would be able to do is present OTHER PEOPLE's arguments to me. Dude, I already know what their arguments are, I don't need you to copy and paste them for me.


I know this is to promote your book and thangs, so hey, I am giving mo' drama for yo dolla. You know how folk love them some drama, they wanna be where the excitement is. Makin them wanna get their funk getters on your book. Hell, a bruva the info and I'll post up the stuff. I am still down with that. I would love to help you promote it. Oh trust me it aint because of the number of members it might attract. It's about showing other people how to use this place. Because they get a hold of that book then there will be a few hundred derek clones runnin around making thangs harder for me.

but it's all good. Dude I know about every speculated error you can think of, so this aint even new for me. So bro, just know, we can rap, but your words are gonna fall on death ears. So if you wanna waste your time, it's all good, we can bump up the number of posts in the Christian area, and thats a good thing. Unless Courtney kicks us out.

KnaxemDead said:

There is a glich with several earlier attempts to post on your board, to when I click 'Post', it would say Invalid Email, click to go back, and the entire message would be deleted.

Hopefully this will make it through.
I merely gave a few examples as stated of unfulfilled Messianic Prophecies. Your just oblivious to them all since you implied I ignored 80% of the other (messianic)prophecies in the scriptures. That would be a total of 40 prophecies, later you contradict that statement and said there is over 300. Yet that is all you got from what I wrote. Never addressing the real issues 1dell head on, just diverted chat to how many prophecies I didn't mention. Hopefully you will stop being so vindictive, and let's have an intelligent discussion.
If this is such a senstive subject for you, recalling your invectiveness from paltalk, then I would rather leave it alone and keep my peace.

[KnaxemDead]

You interrupted a polite conversation I was having with Courtney, and took defense to that. These few post were to merely clarify 'my disposition' on who Jesus really is, and rectify what you deliberately failed to record then post. I presented the facts as they are, minus emotional biasness.
You have not once asked me, Why I supported the BIBLE AS INFALLIBLE? Especially since I mention, that in this Booklet (Bible Interpretations and Explanations) I was going to give the readers an appreciation for The Bible. It would be easy for you to repudiate me, as than to deal with what I write. You have tendancy to overlook all that with attempt to bury those points with lengthy post of you ranting on aimlessly. It's kewl I expect that type of criticism, and wisecracking from you. I just didn't know you were going to get so vexed about it. To the extreme of 'CUSSIN MY ASS OUT' as you put it. It's not that deep! I wasn't even interested in furthering discussion after PALTALK session ended. Now that I realize this discussion is futile, then consider it finished.

Derek

[1dell]

dayum Derek, are you serious? Dude you think my posts are filled with aimless babble?

Ouch, dayum, I countered you point by point. What moor do you want bro? I am even standing by to Post all 300 the Messianic prophecies. Heck I am even willing to post all the prophecies of the Messiah that Ishua fulfilled.

Dude I present scripture and verse thats not good enough? dayum.

Did you say the Bible is infallible? hold up lemme take a trip to dictionary.com OH SNAP!!!!
my bad derek, my fault shawdy!!! I apologize MAIGN!!!!!

we still cool? Imma still call you a punk sometimes doe. Nah wait, you called me ig'nant. dayum that.

So we still got the book deal goin?

You must don't know me Derek, anybody can tell you, I'll huff and puff maybe even cuss, then hug ya ass later on. I don't hold grudges. Oh yeah, I didn't cuss you out not that I think about it. I cuss ury body out. I said fuq egypt and fuq all yall.

LONG LIVE THE HYKSOS!!!!!

KnaxemDead said:

You interrupted a polite conversation I was having with Courtney, and took defense to that. These few post were to merely clarify 'my disposition' on who Jesus really is, and rectify what you deliberately failed to record then post. I presented the facts as they are, minus emotional biasness.
You have not once asked me, Why I supported the BIBLE AS INFALLIBLE? Especially since I mention, that in this Booklet (Bible Interpretations and Explanations) I was going to give the readers an appreciation for The Bible. It would be easy for you to repudiate me, as than to deal with what I write. You have tendancy to overlook all that with attempt to bury those points with lengthy post of you ranting on aimlessly. It's kewl I expect that type of criticism, and wisecracking from you. I just didn't know you were going to get so vexed about it. To the extreme of 'CUSSIN MY ASS OUT' as you put it. It's not that deep! I wasn't even interested in furthering discussion after PALTALK session ended. Now that I realize this discussion is futile, then consider it finished.

Derek

[1dell]

The reason I gave you the Prophecy about the Messiah's death incase you didn't figure it out is because for one, if the Messiah is to rule the earth for ever and ever, well then you HAVE to take into consideration that prophecy from Daniel where it says he would also die, Which comes first? He rules forever or he dies? You tell me?

ONCE you take in ALL the prophecies you can see that it will take 2 visits to do it, one he comes humble and meek then upon returning after giving the earth time to digest and implement his message, he would come back as to exact judgement and to war against the beast.

You are only dealing with a piece of the puzzle. See my point is this, Daniel gave this prophecy and He IS talking about the Messiah unlike your prophecies which were talking about God. The word Messiah is found in chapter 9 of Daniel.

Also Daniel's prophecies about the Messiah were SOOOO accurate that the Magi who obviously had access to Daniel's messianic prophecies were able to calculate the exact location of the messiah along with the time of his birth.

Up til now you have been saying I have been babbling. If that makes you feel better, but I have presented point after point to counter your arguments. That argument being Ishua isn't the Messiah, or that Messiah hasn't come or that He was a false prophet or that Ishua didn't fulfill any prophecies which is totally bogus! Because if one is going to use the bible as a source to say otherwise, they cut off their own hand. The bible is against you, what you're saying.

If a man is to rule for ever but he is also prophecied that he dies. What would that mean to you Derek? I tell you what it means to me and everyone else of the Hebraic mindset who ultrastands the prophecies. It means that It will die but he will ressurect in rulership. To live forever. You MUST balance out the Prophecies. Christianity at least taught us that much.

[KnaxemDead]

Thank you for that Synopsis! If you were speaking logically from the start, instead of ranting, then we could have furthered this conversation. Howbeit, our discussion had been finished, it doesn't make much sense for you to come back after the fact and remedy it by amending your earlier post with insubstantial explanations and more flagrant remarks.
Until you are able to emotionally restrain yourself, and seperate religious opinions from historical facts, then pursuing this topic will be futile.
Till then, remain mute and let it go!

Peace,
Derek

[kAHANyAH]

oh dammn! what in tarnation have i walked into .

[1dell]

You missed it Kah, last week Derek and I had a debate about Jesus not being the messiah and a false prophet. I was giving a piece of the debate here in christian section for educational purposes only. Then Derek responds a week later with what you see here.

And when I take about 5 or 6 posts to answer him, he says I am babbling and ranting and getting all emotional. LOLOL! I reread what I wrote. No where am I being emotional whatsoever. There are moor verses and scriptures involved than my own speaking.

Maybe the dude suffers from ADD and didn't bother to read past the first paragraph or something. It's all good.

kAH said:

oh dammn! what in tarnation have i walked into .

[kAHANyAH]

He must be relyin on www.bibledebunkers.com Aint they gone out of business ?

[GTOM]

I never said that Jesus was not A Messiah...

I only stated that Jesus never Physically Existed.

Remember yall, "G's US" / Be There and Be Square

[kAHANyAH]

Can y'all fill me in on exactly what was said ?

GTO said:

I never said that Jesus was not A Messiah...

I only stated that Jesus never Physically Existed.

Remember yall, "G's US" / Be There and Be Square

[1dell]

Hey bro, it's all in the Chat transcripts from 2/29.

kAH said:

Can y'all fill me in on exactly what was said ?

[kAHANyAH]

Aint no way as hell Im gone read all that. Thats some lot of words mang! can you break it down for me in a nutshell ?

1dell said:

Hey bro, it's all in the Chat transcripts from 2/29.

[1dell]

mAAANNN!!! A'ight, it was said that Ishua never said "i am the Christ" or never did he admit to it. I was webcasting from Kat's house and I had said something in the room and dude was responding, but while he was respondin on the mic Kat and I left and went somewhere and came back like 40 minutes later and i saw where he was schoolin Courtney on something about Ishua telling his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ. And how He was telling Kefa/Peter that he was gonna build his church on him, but later calls Kefa shatan. So I chimed in and the debate started.

Some things concerning Ishua's false prophecy about people not dying until he returns in his kingdom yada yada. Thats about it.

Then later we got into that "there is no proof that any of them existed" argument. Then I asked what do they consider proof and We could never get past "confirmation" Because my logic is, whatever standard of proof they are holding the bible to is NOT the same standard they hold their own doctrines too. And I went off of them boys, because it's like no matter what the bible is wrong and errant but their lil books don't stink. I am sick of that. I cursed Egypt and everyone in the room. I boiled it down to "look, why spend your time and innerG trying to dismantle a book when you can put that same innerG and time mastering YOUR OWN book. You stay in your book and I"ll stay in mine. I don't need no help"

Dude, this is crazy, we have people trying to put down the bible but when you look at their arguments either their argument's contradict someone else's who is also against the scriptures or it's just all out "dayum, this person has no idea what they are talking about" It's old thats for sure.

I told them the only reason I entertained the discussion any way was because of Courtney. It was GTO, Derek, and kgod999 up in there. Man I know they are either exnuwuabians or flirting with nuwaubianism, so I ain't even concerned with them. As far as I am concerned, they will not be able to see what I am saying. It was courtney I was concerned about.

kAH said:

Aint no way as hell Im gone read all that. Thats some lot of words mang! can you break it down for me in a nutshell ?

[kAHANyAH]

i hear ya bros. I dont really get into debates about the historical aspect of the bible because frankly in my cup of tea the book is beyond HISTORY and goes into higher spiritual plains. So thats where I stand. Proving jesus physically walked the planet is trivial and mundane to me. Its the words that resonate the power , not whether he lived and breathed and farted god dammit!!!

[1dell]

You in rare form 2nite bru, what you been sippin on?

kAH said:

i hear ya bros. I dont really get into debates about the historical aspect of the bible because frankly in my cup of tea the book is beyond HISTORY and goes into higher spiritual plains. So thats where I stand. Proving jesus physically walked the planet is trivial and mundane to me. Its the words that resonate the power , not whether he lived and breathed and farted god dammit!!!