Bible Contradictions by Ptah Un Nefer

[1dell]

Response from Kah again:

Until you come to the knowledge of what type of scholars translated the secrets of the ages into what we call the bible and how they layed out the wording of the secrets you will always stumble and fall at trying to reason out purposefully translated contradictions. They are placed there for readers who think that the bible can be read with the understanding of simple reason and logic. GODSHIP is complex bros. It is not defined in the realms of only reason and logic. There are infinite keys to unlock GODHOOD. The more keys you have at your disposal the better the ensight.

Bros. not to disrespect you or any of like mind but you remind me ( thats an opinion ) of one who has just A key and assumes that it will unlock all doors that lead heavenward. Dude, you will keep yourself in a loop and come up with the same results - stagnation.

You know my past and my present and Im sure you can say that Kah is not stable in his GOD THOUGHTS.
TRUE. And this is one thing that I have learned, IT DOESNT END bros. God is the true NEVER ENDING STORY. HE/SHE/IT/THEM or what ever God is at a given dispose never ceases, ONLY rests to begin anew. And every rest is a KEY but not the only key.


Feelin me ?

Kah

[1dell]

Response from Ptah Un Nefer:

You're killing this contradiction list. Somebody make you mad or somphin? Ha....
Peace Ptah

[1dell]

Hey bro, no matter what do not think for a minute that I am talking to you. I have stated that numerous times in this thread that I am not talking to you but I have to attack someone so I am pretending like I am talking to the cat that made up the list. In one instance I even called the dude a muslim because he had (PBUH) by Mary's name. So it's all good.

But I want to say thanks for posting this. this is my FAVORITE STUFF!!!! Besides I think the people who "found" these "contradictions" are skraight up idiots and their work reflects them, I pity the poor "scholars"

[1dell]

Message from Gregory:

DO YOU KNOW THE MASONIC BIBLE VERSION?

IF SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MASONIC BIBLE AND A SO CALLED "NORMAL" BIBLE?

AND I HAVE TO SAY IT 1DELL THE BIBLE YOU READ HAS BEEN REWRITTEN FOR A PURPOSE!! BY THE NEW WORLD ORDER OF COURCE!!! SO WHAT EVER YOU DO 1DELL KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE FULL VISION ON THE BIBLE BECAUSE THE NEW WORLD ORDER WOULD NEVER ALLOW A BIBLE TO BE HANDED TO THE PUBLIC THAT HAS THE RIGHT ANSWERS IN IT!!


I MEAN IF THEY(THE NEW WORLD ORDER) COULD BURN ALEXANDRIE TO THE GROUND (WITH ALL IT'S SUPREME KNOWLEDGE IN BOOKS) THAN THEY WOULD CERTAINLY FALSIFY THE BIBLE TOTALLY!!


[ This message was edited by: gregory on: 1-26-2001 23:37 ]

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A response from Kah to gregory:

Soooo naive sooo naive and young.

Dude, all books are Bound together. Its based on the law of dimension.

You can still seek out the ANSWER of creation in this BIBLE that you claim has been handed down to the masses. There is NOTHING that can be hid in the true SENSE. And that is why a famous master teacher said " a thing that lies ( as in fibbing or laying ) in darkness shall be brought forth and emerge in light ". Falsehood is the father of TRUTH and will yield to his son truth. It is the same way God is the father of Christ and yield to his son Christ who reigns supreme.

Try to figure that one out . And tell you teacher I made that statement.


Kah

[1dell]

CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and GOOD: "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling." "The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (James 5:11) "For his mercy endureth forever." (1 Chron. 16:34) "The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (Ps. 145:9) "God is love." (1 John 4:16)

Let me start by saying, this is NOT a contradiction! IF the bible said somewhere "The Lord is ALWASY showing Pity" or "He NEVER get's angry he is ALWAYS merciful, there is NEVER a time where he does not show Pity" then you would have a case. But IHaVaH is a judge and MUST be truthful to his word. If you read the whole chapter you would see WHY IHaVaH will no longer show pity or mercy. His people of Judah that he created for his own glory are off doing their OWN thing, worshipping other Gods. Something he TOLD them not to do! In fact the Torah is a contract between Him and these people and they agreed that they would not do the things they were doing and that violated the contract and by LAW they are to endure punishment! The fact that they got a far as they did with doing that stuff shows how pitiful God is and how merciful he is! He had the right to utterly destroy them upon first instance of it. But he withstood showing mercy and kindness. It got to the point where he could no longer let the crime go unpunished! What do you expect from a God who is a Judge? To be a fair judge you must reward one's actions with the proper verdict. You mete rewards of kindness and blessing to those deserving of such, you rewared punishment and calamity to those deserving of such. If he did NOT do this he would be unjust! because the wicked do not deserve the rewards of the just.

It's funny because God is ONLY doing what he told Ysrael that he would do!!!! He told them as long as they were obedient they would be blessed Deuteronomy 28 and he told them also if they were disobedient that HE MUST perform these actions:
"Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: "

The thing is you are trying to call God out on his lack of integrity and inconsistancy. But the fact of the matter is he is being VERY consistent because he foretold all these tings to happend and set the whole system upon the conditions of the behavior of the people. If they were good they would receive benefit. If they were bad, they would receive punishment. The part that is consistent with what the others have said about God especially David is that he would not PUNISH quickly! In fact the Ysraelites became lax at one point because God was sooo merciful and didn't exact judgment readily.

Tell me, how is IHaVaH a merciful God when the oppressor is shown mercy and pity too? Do those men who oppress others deserve mercy? How is God showing the oppressed mercy in such a case? If some one is being oppressed by and oppressor and God utterly punishes the oppressor he is showing pity and mercy to the one oppressed. It would be unlawful to let the oppressor continue in oppressing. That would not be a God worth worshipping. But because he is fair and merciful evil will not prevail over those who are nonevil. The bible teaches us that those who are prideful create their own beds of punishement and those who are humble will obtain benefits.. The Law is self policing and a lot of times God doesn't have to do a thing because wickedness embroiders it's own snare.

What sense does it make to make these accussations of contradiction? For we all know the doctrine of the hebrews speaks of a Hell. If God is in the context of pity and mercy as you speak there would not be such a place as hell. But when one understands the conditions of blessing and curse that man is made to live under and the rewards and punishments that go with both then one is able to understand how to incure the blessing or the curses of this God.

VErdit: NO CONTRADICTION

NEXT!!!!

[1dell]

Tempts? "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (Gen 22:1) "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (James 1:13)

Here is the poster boy for why learning the original languages are soooo very important when one does read the bible. For example The verse in Genensis that is talking about God Tempting Avram well the word "tempt" there is Nasah and it means to test, to attempt, adventure, assay, PROVE, tempt, try. Now all you have to do is reread that sentence with one of the other meanings that make moor sense and Viola!!! Personally It makes moor sense to me so use the word PROVE. And it came to pass after these things, that God did prove/test Abraham. Because of the circumstantial events that happened around that verse, the sacrificing of Yitzkakh and all, ain't nuttin' but a trial of proving.

Now this just so happens to be a contradiction that some christians are aware of and some can even answer it correctly. AS we mossy on over to Ya'aqov/James we find that SAME word tempt, but little do we know that within that VERY SAME verse there are 2 differnt words yet they are translated the same. The word in question is "and he tempeth no man" I guess that would be the contradiction? WEll don't exclude the MOST important piece of evidence which is verse 14, but I will leave that to you and your studies. The fact of the matter is the greek word that is being translated into english as Tempeth is Peirazo. which means endeavor, scrutinize, entice, discipline: well keeping in context of what Ya'aqov is saying "God cannot be tempted with evil not tempteth he anyman" temptation by evil would be a form of enticement which is to say God does not use the method of enticing one into purposeful sin in order to prove them. That is not his method. One tempt is to prove, the other tempt means to entice. Then Ya'aqov finsihes his thought by explaining the origins of temptations within man, which is the REAL point. everything before that is analogous to make a point.

Verdict: No contradiction!

NEXT

[1dell]

Judas died how? "And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (Matt. 27:5) "And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (Acts 1:18)

Hey man! we already covered this one!!! I see you have some of the same "contradictions" up in here twice but worded a different way. What's up with that?!!!

[1dell]

Ascend to heaven "And Elijah went up by a
whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11) "No man
hath ascended up to heaven but he that came
down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (John 3:13)

These things are hard for the layman to
understand because the concepts are so
paradoxial to what he is programmed to
understand. Given the fact too that the same
terminology is being used doesn't help matters
either.

Let's deal with one issue at a time. Was Eliyahu
REALLY taken up into heaven? And if so, what and
which heaven? From the biblical understanding
there are 3 levels of heaven. The resident Sky,
local to terra firma, the firmament, then the abode
of the father (possible another planet). It's obvious
that Eliyahu was taken up into ONE of the heavens
and that would be the Heaven Local or resident
sky. for in 2 Melekhiym chapter 2 verse 10 the
chariot of fire (or shimmering vehicle) with horses
of fire separating the prophet from his apprentice
and Eliyah went up by a whirlwin into heaven? Did
he go up into heaven or did he go up into the
vehicle that was prepared for him? And was
heaven just a means by which he was transported
into the vehicle awaiting him. Here is what
happened. The vehicle "sucked" Eliyah up into it as
it hovered in the sky (heaven) and Eliyah went up
by the scientific force (whirlwind) into the vehicle
(chariot of fire) there were witnesses to the whole
thing, the 50 sons of the prophets in verse 7. then
again in verse 15 they offered to help Elisha look
for his master because as they said "perhaps
IHaVaH had taken him up and cast him upon a
mountain or into some valley" So these
eyewitnesses did not have the idea that Eliyahu
went to heaven. Neither is that the idea that should
be gathered by us as to be contradictory to the
Messiah when he makes the statment seemingly
contradictory.

Eliyahu was transported by a vehicle to
somewhere, were do not not know where but we
DO know that he did go into heaven (the sky local)
but is it the SAME heaven that Ishua is speaking of
for this to be a contradiction proper? I don't think
so. Now is a good time to mozzy on over to find
out.

We find Ishua explaining the concept of rebirth to
the teacher of Ysrael: Nicodman. In Ihukhanan
chapter 3:10 Ishua begs the question "are you a
teacher in Ysrael yet these concepts are foreign to
you?" I will continue to paraphrase his words from
verse 11 unto I stop "We speak and teach from
what we have seen, heard and experienced. So
then if I teach you things that an earthling can
know, and you do not understand. Then how
would you expect to understand heavenly things? "

I will stop my paraphrase there. Basically Ishua is
saying this concept of rebirth is a concept
beknownst to heaven yet he tried to explain it using
earthly synonyms and was failing to convey the
concept to Nicodman. Then he proceeded to give
his creditials to Nicodman because evidently there
was a layer of trust that needed repair in order for
Nicodman o understand that this was no ordinary
person trying to explain this to him, nor was it a
person clever in contriving new doctrine. Ishua
proceeds to explain in verse 13 "No one has
ascended into heaven except he who CAME
DOWN FROM HEAVEN, that is the SON OF MAN
WHO IS IN HEAVEN" Ishua is using this as a point
to complete his reasonings about the lesson he
was just sharing with Nicodman. Ishua is saying,
he can teach these lessons of heaven because he
has seen, heard and experienced it. Just as he
was refering to how a teacher can only teach what
he knows. And NO ONE else has done this! There
was NO ONE else that Nicodman could refer to or
go to that has Ascended to heaven and returned
with information on it's laws and principles.

But what is so unique about what the Messiah is
saying is that Ascention into heaven is a process.
He says "No one has ascended into heaven
EXCEPT him to has come down from heaven."
now to ascend to heaven means that at one time
you were NOT in heaven. I can't ascend to
somewhere I already am. Which is to say, I must
graduate to that dimension or level or altitude. Now
THIS is someone NO ONE can claim to have done!
What man can say he has graduated to godhood?
by saying that I am not saying that Ishua is god or a
god. But if earth as a level and heaven as a level
which Kabbalist can say he has ascended to Ein
sof? But if he ascended, he made great risks to
descend back from whence he ascended in order
to correct the flow of information that OTHERS may
make that ascension.

I hope I didn't confuse the issue too much.

but I have spoken thus I park my pen

[1dell]

Response from Chatuchai aka Linette:

Beautiful break down of the above post...much peace linette

P.S. dont park your pen, keep it flowing

[1dell]

Thanks a bunch

[kAHANyAH]

OMG! i am reading some of the ish i was spewing back then, I WAS BUGGED OUT MY MIND!


1dell y you gone have to dig up all them dead bones homie

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