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Post by CoUrTnEy on Aug 25, 2004 11:01:35 GMT -5
This is an exerpt from a book i am reading detailing the differences between Chrisitianity and Islam. I found this exerpt particularly interesting:
"It is not true that Christians have always been nice and Muslims have not. Many atrocitites have been committed throughout church history in the name of Chirst. Muslims are fond of referring to the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the struggle in Northern Ireland between Protestants and Catholics. Christians have done and contine to do many evil things in the name of Jesus Christ; we need to confess these sins and repent of them. However, when Christians have engaged in such violence, they have betrayed the teaching of Jesus Christ and have turned their back on the examples that Christ has set for us in the New Testament. But when Muslims engage in violence, murder, and other acts of terrorism, they can legitimately claim that they are following the commands of God as found in the Qur'an and in the examples of Muhammad and his teachings. This represents a major distinction between Christianity and Islam."
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Post by kAHANyAH on Aug 25, 2004 11:38:49 GMT -5
thats interesting 'cause the xtian zealot fanatics would have you to believe they do Christ's work. Makes you wonder about the person who wrote the book youre quoting from [bias with an agenda].
Here is one scripture fanatic xtians use to justify violence in the name of christ ...
Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.
Here is my perception - there are extremists on both sides of the fence. Just as this moderate author can take that position, you can also find a moderate muslim to do the same.
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Aug 25, 2004 11:52:55 GMT -5
The person I just quoted was a muslim that converted to christianity. He did say that he knew many peace loving, mild mannered muslims. I agree with you Kah you got radicals in every bunch, and they should not represent the entire group. thats interesting 'cause the xtian zealot fanatics would have you to believe they do Christ's work. Makes you wonder about the person who wrote the book youre quoting from [bias with an agenda]. Here is one scripture fanatic xtians use to justify violence in the name of christ ...
Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.
Here is my perception - there are extremists on both sides of the fence. Just as this moderate author can take that position, you can also find a moderate muslim to do the same.
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Post by kAHANyAH on Aug 25, 2004 12:01:37 GMT -5
Heres the funny thing, alot of xtians when you confront them with the blood-gore-gut scriptures in the bible they will say its symbolic of inner-battles. Yet they are the same ones to be quick and point out references in the koran promoting death, destruction and mayem. I wonder why they dont apply that "symbolism" interpretation to the koran. Hmmm...  The person I just quoted was a muslim that converted to christianity. He did say that he knew many peace loving, mild mannered muslims. I agree with you Kah you got radicals in every bunch, and they should not represent the entire group. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Aug 25, 2004 12:14:51 GMT -5
Wish i could answer the question but i dont know enough about the Qu'ran to give an educated answer. Again i am not here to judge, I figure if that is true about islam it is not me who will have to answer for it. Heres the funny thing, alot of xtians when you confront them with the blood-gore-gut scriptures in the bible they will say its symbolic of inner-battles. Yet they are the same ones to be quick and point out references in the koran promoting death, destruction and mayem. I wonder why they dont apply that "symbolism" interpretation to the koran. Hmmm... |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Aug 25, 2004 12:18:20 GMT -5
This is what I tell muslims, kina showing them where xtians got them beat. The xtian bible has a reformer - JESUS. He came to reform the "to the letter" of the Ot. Muslims dont have that and r in desperate need of one if they want to ever legitimize their religion to the western world. Muhammed [PBUH] came with a message just like Moshe. They are considered forrunners. However Moshe can thank Jesus for the reforming of the original message. What about muhammed [pbuh] , who does he have to reform his message. USAMA ?  Wish i could answer the question but i dont know enough about the Qu'ran to give an educated answer. Again i am not here to judge, I figure if that is true about islam it is not me who will have to answer for it. |
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Post by gamaliel on Aug 25, 2004 19:44:36 GMT -5
This is what I tell muslims, kina showing them where xtians got them beat. The xtian bible has a reformer - JESUS. He came to reform the "to the letter" of the Ot. Muslims dont have that and r in desperate need of one if they want to ever legitimize their religion to the western world. Muhammed [PBUH] came with a message just like Moshe. They are considered forrunners. However Moshe can thank Jesus for the reforming of the original message. What about muhammed [pbuh] , who does he have to reform his message. USAMA ? Thats where western (American) style Islam comes in. At least in the black community anyway. The Moorish Science, N.O.I., Imam W. Mohammed, The Submitters, Ansaarullah and even the Ahmadiyyans from Pakistan all claimed to be reformers of Islam. U sure wont find anything like that in the east, they wouldve been labeled kufr or worse murdered.    |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Aug 31, 2004 17:37:11 GMT -5
Hopefully in the nxt 1000 yrs there will be a n-text added unto the koran we have right now. Thats where western (American) style Islam comes in. At least in the black community anyway. The Moorish Science, N.O.I., Imam W. Mohammed, The Submitters, Ansaarullah and even the Ahmadiyyans from Pakistan all claimed to be reformers of Islam. U sure wont find anything like that in the east, they wouldve been labeled kufr or worse murdered.  |
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Post by gamaliel on Aug 31, 2004 19:42:53 GMT -5
Hopefully in the nxt 1000 yrs there will be a n-text added unto the koran we have right now. Well The Mahdi Muhammad Ahmed brought out The Raatib, Noble Drew Ali gave us the Circle 7, The Messenger Elijah Muhammad put out the Supreme Wisdom (Lessons) and Dr. York revealed The Holy Tablets. Notice all except The Raatib were all put out here in America to Blacks. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Aug 31, 2004 19:45:29 GMT -5
gimme a brief explanation of the raatib. I am not familiar with it. Well The Mahdi Muhammad Ahmed brought out The Raatib, Noble Drew Ali gave us the Circle 7, The Messenger Elijah Muhammad put out the Supreme Wisdom (Lessons) and Dr. York revealed The Holy Tablets. Notice all except The Raatib were all put out here in America to Blacks. |
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Post by gamaliel on Aug 31, 2004 19:50:28 GMT -5
gimme a brief explanation of the raatib. I am not familiar with it. Ive only had the translation Dr. York put out, but its a collection of prayers and praise to Allah by The Mahdi of the Sudan Muhammad Ahmed. Old-schoolers M9 and GTO can probably break it down more for U. I gave my copy away years ago. Wish I hadnt.  |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Aug 31, 2004 19:52:23 GMT -5
A'ight thnx. Ive only had the translation Dr. York put out, but its a collection of prayers and praise to Allah by The Mahdi of the Sudan Muhammad Ahmed. Old-schoolers M9 and GTO can probably break it down more for U. I gave my copy away years ago. Wish I hadnt. |
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