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Post by kAHANyAH on May 4, 2004 16:15:07 GMT -5
u mean to tell me! u'd choose paying taxes over moi!  you can put me on the spot all you want.. still doesnt mean i HAVE to do anything besides die and pay taxes.. i said what i believe and why.. period. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 4, 2004 16:16:48 GMT -5
Courtney luv, Huh ?  U mean you gone say the eggs in u have other functions besides pro-creation ?  im not denying that is the purpose of semen.. but what i am saying is that sex is not solely for that purpose.. i am given eggs in order to have babies.. but that doesnt mean that God intended for every single egg in my body to become a child.. you still havent convinced me.. so lets just let someone else comment on the subject.. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on May 4, 2004 16:22:56 GMT -5
no but dear we were talking about SEX only being for procreation.. not the semen or the eggs.. suddenly you turned it into that issue.. my eggs may only be for reproduction purposes, but my vaginal canal is not.. it has other use as well. Sex isn't just about ejaculation.. it's also about one-ness and intimacy between a married couple.. based on your reasoning then sex without ejaculation is ok- because the seed isnt being wasted.. you haven't and wont convince me that sex within marriage, and without procreation is wrong.. i was also sitting here thinking.. based on what you are saying masturbation for women is ok cuz we aren't wasting seed.. based on your argument of course  but that is enough of the back and forth for me.. that's my story and im stickin to it. Courtney luv, Huh ? U mean you gone say the eggs in u have other functions besides pro-creation ? |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 4, 2004 16:41:44 GMT -5
You made eggs an issue. Here is what you said and I merely responded to it... "but that doesnt mean that God intended for every single egg in my body to become a child.. you still havent convinced me.."Anyhow you made an important point that I gotta respond to. Here is your statement - "based on your reasoning then sex without ejaculation is ok- because the seed isnt being wasted..". What you just presented here is a mystery- TANTRIC SEX!, dabbling in the mysteries of the fallen angel ; how to cheat in the original creation of G-d. Not too many men are trained in this type of sex act (not releasing the vitality fluids). It is a very difficult form of sex because it involves entering the flame [lust] and not getting burned [orgasm]. There are a few good man who have entered the fires of passion and not get burned. However it was advised by Yeshua that you not do this. Okay since you wont be responding let me say PEACE ON THE TOPIC. no but dear we were talking about SEX only being for procreation.. not the semen or the eggs.. suddenly you turned it into that issue.. my eggs may only be for reproduction purposes, but my vaginal canal is not.. it has other use as well. Sex isn't just about ejaculation.. it's also about one-ness and intimacy between a married couple.. based on your reasoning then sex without ejaculation is ok- because the seed isnt being wasted.. you haven't and wont convince me that sex within marriage, and without procreation is wrong.. no more back and forth for me. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on May 4, 2004 18:24:11 GMT -5
no you made bodily products an issue when you brought up semen.. and then I responded about my eggs making a parallel statement.. but u are right.. no sense arguing on this subject cuz im not convinced what you are saying is correct and it's doubtful that will change. You made eggs an issue. Here is what you said and I merely responded to it... "but that doesnt mean that God intended for every single egg in my body to become a child.. you still havent convinced me.."Anyhow you made an important point that I gotta respond to. Here is your statement - "based on your reasoning then sex without ejaculation is ok- because the seed isnt being wasted..". What you just presented here is a mystery- TANTRIC SEX!, dabbling in the mysteries of the fallen angel ; how to cheat in the original creation of G-d. Not too many men are trained in this type of sex act (not releasing the vitality fluids). It is a very difficult form of sex because it involves entering the flame [lust] and not getting burned [orgasm]. There are a few good man who have entered the fires of passion and not get burned. However it was advised by Yeshua that you not do this. Okay since you wont be responding let me say PEACE ON THE TOPIC. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 4, 2004 18:27:52 GMT -5
My bad, I thought the scripture made bodily products an issue - Gen 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled [it] on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. There is no argument from my end. Just intelligent discourse. Peace no you made bodily products an issue when you brought up semen.. and then I responded about my eggs making a parallel statement.. but u are right.. no sense arguing on this subject cuz im not convinced what you are saying is correct and it's doubtful that will change. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on May 4, 2004 18:41:50 GMT -5
i see this shall never end.. the fact remains pretty darn simple.. Onan disobeyed a direct order from God. did he get punished simply for disobeying or the act of spilling his seed.. should we take from this that anyone who spills his seed for anything other than procreation is wrong or is it that God simply used this example to show how we should obey His commands? personally I think it is the latter.. i do believe that something like sex is such a large issue that if he commanded us only to have sex for procreation it would've been included as the 11th commandment.. you aren't going to convince me and i am not going to convince you.. im really done this time (really). My bad, I thought the scripture made bodily products an issue - Gen 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled [it] on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. There is no argument from my end. Just intelligent discourse. Peace |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 4, 2004 18:58:55 GMT -5
r u really done ? you know a woman gotta get the last word in  . There are many commands/orders of G-d which do not call for death. so we must ask why this one ? He/She who is astute must ask the self - what are the elements involved in this story leading up to the demise of Onan. What we do know is these elements make up the act of disobedience. What is/are the elements ? SPILLING. Well Courtney luv since the last post was your final one (i am having a flashback deja vue  ) I will say peace on the topic. i see this shall never end.. the fact remains pretty darn simple.. Onan disobeyed a direct order from God. did he get punished simply for disobeying or the act of spilling his seed.. should we take from this that anyone who spills his seed for anything other than procreation is wrong or is it that God simply used this example to show how we should obey His commands? personally I think it is the latter.. i do believe that something like sex is such a large issue that if he commanded us only to have sex for procreation it would've been included as the 11th commandment.. you aren't going to convince me and i am not going to convince you.. im really done this time (really). |
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Post by gamaliel on May 4, 2004 19:17:46 GMT -5
Onan didnt fulfill his family duty to his brother, thats where the offense came from. Otherwise there'd be sumthing in The Torah about stoning men for "spilling seed". Now if there is such a law pleeez post it.  |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 4, 2004 19:45:30 GMT -5
A brother [in this case Onan] is not bound by law to fulfill his family duty. I had posted the law on this a few posts ago. He was punished for accepting the contract of raising seed unto his brother and not fulfilling it. He should have NEVER entered the contract since he knew in his heart he DID NOT WANT TO RAISE SEED. Here is the law on men who DO NOT want to raise seed unto the name of a deceased brother and who DO NOT accept the contract of marriage to fulfill this calling...
Deuteronomy 25
7 And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother.
8 Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;
9 Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house.
10 And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed.
Onan didnt fulfill his family duty to his brother, thats where the offense came from. Otherwise there'd be sumthing in The Torah about stoning men for "spilling seed". Now if there is such a law pleeez post it. |
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Post by gamaliel on May 4, 2004 20:23:21 GMT -5
very good. xcellent. that still doesnt cover those who sexually gratify themselves.
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 4, 2004 20:33:15 GMT -5
sexual gratification = FORNICATION. very good. xcellent. that still doesnt cover those who sexually gratify themselves. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on May 5, 2004 8:30:32 GMT -5
i dont agree  sexual gratification = FORNICATION. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 5, 2004 8:32:43 GMT -5
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 5, 2004 8:33:41 GMT -5
I gotta question for ya Courtney luv . Is sex an unclean act ? |
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