On The Road A-Gain with Paul

[Master-9]

1dell said:

He didn't name himself Paul, If you did one iota of research you would know that. Paul was a nickname given to him and because of his Popularity throughout the empire, he became known as Paul. And let me ask you this, Every last one you Nuwaubians are AFRICAN AMERICAN, but yall go around renaming yallselves some old silly Sumerian names or some Silly egyptian names or some silly muslim names. Whats up with that??? Living in a glass house is fine, just don't throw no stones!!!

Nubians living in the wilderness of north america names were tooken away and given european names......remember toll-be from the movie roots.

What you call silly is our original names in the different cultures and religions we started. Name a true african named Carter or Wallace?

Back to Paul....

In Acts Jesus called him Saul, after that he should have been only Saul, but he continued to use his roman(sell-out) name, why? Because he didn't follow the Nubian Jesus, but rather ROME

[1dell]

Dude, come on now.

My name is Wondell Wallace. My MOTHER named me Wondell, not no white man. And my last name Wallace gives credence to the Irish/Scottish male ancestory. I am part Irish/Scottish, I give respect to that part of my heritage as well as the african part. I am made up of MANY different nations, native american being included. I think it's an insult to rename myself. An insult to my ancestory. According to my scriptures we are to "Honor thy mother and thy father" That actually should be plural. I honor my mothers no matter WHAT nation they come from. I honor my fathers no matter WAHT nation they come from. I don't run from myself and SELL-OUT only calling myself african or whatever.

But you cats go around calling yourselves muslim, egyptian, and sumerian names and aint not near one of you Sumerian, egyptian NOR arabian. SMH

Here is the dealy, When Ishua spoke to Paul he spoke to him in the hebrew tongue. The word Paulos means Small or little, but in what language? Hebrew, heck naw it's latin, the language of Rome. Paulos was a descriptive nickname GIVEN to Paul because of his stature and humility. Lets look into some other descriptive nick-names :

Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

Here is a perfect example to give you a taste of what that culture was like. I notice you cats move your lips without having the fundamental research handled. You no absolutely NOTHING of the culture. People at the time had many names. Your average person were called Either their first name, their first name then the first name of their father i.e. 1dell ben Earl, or the name of their region i.e. Ishua of Nazaret, or something descriptive like Simeon who was called Niger, or by their occupation. Do you know what Niger means? It means Black. No doubtedly a name that he received from someone ELSE because he was black. It's funny, again the scriptures speak of Paul the same way it says "Saul who is CALLED Paul" again, no doubtedly a name that was GIVEN to him just as Niger was given to Simeon. I mean do you REALLY think that Simeon went around calling himself black? But once his popularity grew and moor people knew him by Niger than they did Simeon that was the way he had to be identified. Man do you guys ever THINK???

Now back to Paul. Do you really think grabbing a hold of a name that mean Little or small was HIS Choice? LOL I bet he couldn't get no dates with a name like that!!! This name didn't come from his hebrew circle of brothers, they spoke hebrew. So it most assuredly came from the gentiles that met him. The name circulated around the empire. Every body started to know him as Paul rather than Saul and so in order for him to be known to people (gentiles that spoke greek and latin NOT hebrew) he used the name Paul . The conversation would go like this "Hey, who are you?" "Oh I'm Saul" "Saul who?" "Well maybe you know me as Paul" "OOHH PAUL!!!! Whats up my nikka? Yeah I know you!!! Why didn't you say so..."

Even when he stands before King Agrippa (gentile king) he even addresses himself as Saul Acts 26:14. Even Kefa/Peter Called him Paul

2Pe 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Why do you think he did that? Because nobody knew him as Saul dude. Peter knew him as Saul, but even when Peter spoke of him, he refered to him as Paul

What do you mean sell-out? if everywhere you are going to word has already circulated about you and everyone there know you as Paul, how the heck are you selling out if you use that name to help people recognize you? What you ALSO fail to release is that Hebrew names were difficult for the gentiles to say especially the greek and romans. They in most cases had to change a person's name or rename them. Thats how Ishua became Jesus because neither languages had the SH letter in their alphabets like Hebrew does. And if you do some research on the name Saul you will find out that it's REALLY Sh'ul. If you notice every last prophet's name that makes it to the new testament is butchered. Sometimes beyond recognition. So it was the gentile's nature to change a man's name to something moor Paletteable.

So because when he is around Latin and greek speaking people he addresses himself as Paul, he no longer follows Ishua? YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!! When he was known as Shaul he scared the bejesus out of the christians because they knew him as that pharisee christian killer. As Paul the brotherhood received him as one of their own and follower of Ishua. Heck He even got permission from Ishua's brother Ya'aqob/James to go out and preach!!!! Duh!!!

What is proof that he didn't follow Ishua?

Master-9 said:

Nubians living in the wilderness of north america names were tooken away and given european names......remember toll-be from the movie roots.

What you call silly is our original names in the different cultures and religions we started. Name a true african named Carter or Wallace?

Back to Paul....

In Acts Jesus called him Saul, after that he should have been only Saul, but he continued to use his roman(sell-out) name, why? Because he didn't follow the Nubian Jesus, but rather ROME

[1dell]

Also, I forgot to mention this.

I Cor. 4: 15-16,
15: For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for "in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
( Father Paul ~aka Saint Paul) But Jesus said, " Do Not call No Man your Father upon the Earth ~ Matt:23:9

Alright!!! Class here is the 2nd rule of biblical scholarship! ALWAYS KNOW WHO IS BEING SPOKEN TO!!!!! Who is ISHUA SPEAKING TO when he said "call no man father"? Lets look:

Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.

Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Answer: He is talking to his DISCIPLES!!!! Let's go ALLL the way up to the first verse

Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

Oh now some things apply to the "multitude" in this chapter and some things apply to his disciples. Riddle me this in verse 8 when he said "let no one call you Rabbi..." do you think he is talking to the multitude or to his disciples? His disciples DUH!!!! He was training his disciples to be Rabbis!!!!

Notice Messiah is talking about titles and what to call a person and what not to be called:

Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.

Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant

Father, Master, and Rabbi. ALL clergy titles. Don't apply to regular people shawdy. So he's talking to his disciples. And what does he SAY to his disciples. "CALL NO MAN FATHER" THAT applied to the disciples. That THEY were not to call a man father. Get it? He told them not to let no one call them Rabbi and let no one call them master. But he DIDN"T say not to let no one call you father!!!

Jesus christ!!! when are you people gonna study on your own and stop swapping arguments amongst yourselves.

Nehisi said:

Now, Where should I start???

Ah, yes....

I Cor. 4: 15-16,
15: For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for "in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
( Father Paul ~aka Saint Paul) But Jesus said, " Do Not call No Man your Father upon the Earth ~ Matt:23:9

16: Wherefore I beseech you, BE YE FOLLOWERS OF ME.
case closed.


Now as far as rev 2 is concern:
I can't see you saying that Jesus didn't know what love is!!!! I mean you could say " Nehisi, you don't know love, or York , you don't know love, but not Jesus!!! come on now; when Jesus says they had forgotten their first love, that's that. And I overstand why you could be confused. See Paul only talked about God's love toward his people and how we should love one another. He never talked about loving God. You see, if you don't love God first, you can't love others or yourself to the full potential. You have two people married for years, working and no real love. You have churches on every corner, people putting their hard earned money in the 3,4,5,6 plates that come around to help build a bigger church, and people are sleeping on the streets, in the snow with nowhere to stay. If the churches had the right love, then when a 911 happens or tsunami happens and people flock to help, the action wouldn;t be considered amazing. Because it would be normal. He never talks about the Birth of Jesus either. Paul"s Love is Romans 13:8-14; I Cor. 13: 1-13; Gal 5: 22-26; Paul said if you don't work, you don't eat. Jesus said , the poor shall inherit the earth . You see, God wants your BETTERBEST!!!!

Paul mixed in a lot of his doctrine with the doctrine of Jesus and the apostles and the followers of God.
You see, if you truly love God ~ you will follow His commandments. As simple as that..

Romans 3:7 For if The Truth of God hath more abounded through My (Paul) Lie unto his Glory; why yet am I also judged as a Sinner?

The Church of Ephesus found out exacly who Paul was.
Your Boy dont' Even gnow, that he ain't suppose to lie
Come to think of it, All the churches of Asia rebuked him. That's why he was writing those letters to see whether they would except him. Pleesc, get real,

"Indeed, I Paul say to you that if Anyone Become CIRCUMSIZED Christ will profit you nothing." Gal. 5:2

The circumcision is a sign of the covenant between Israel and Yahovah.

Question: If you were born with a Hebrew name, why change it to a Greek Name. What's up with that!!!!

We got some machurian candidates out here, and they don't even want to know.

Oh, I.m just getting started, I just have to go for now
Peace.

[Nehisi]

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU!!!!!



calm down Nehisi.....calm down.......
CALM DOWN

I;ve got to calm down...first

[Nehisi]

Now, Now One Dell, We all have read what you think, you and others keep bringing up link on "Paul the Deceiver" like that was the answer to everything!!!! And, And, Well, I thought you knew me better than that, Bro'. I didn't think you would dis ME with that same old stuff. I mean, I grant you, you have some people here convinced your word in bond, but that ain't happening chere. Where is your proof , son??? Your word ain't the proof. You just talkin' out the side of your mouth. You settin' there putting York down 'cause you say he uses the Bible to prove his point, and you t r y i n g to do the same thing. Ain't happening, BUB!!!! That aught to show you right there, with ALL the followers BaBa has, his message IS tight. Now, set down and prove what you believe, Don't let me have to tell you a~gain!!! What, you tryin' to be like Paul, you say? That's why he was REJECTED!!!!!

What you say???!!! Who Am I!!!!!! I am THE QUEEN ~ Darlin'. Next time, before you come out of your mouth half steppin', you will remember this......Peace.

Pauleeeze ;D ;D ;D ;D
I KNOW he don't know who I IS!!!!!

[1dell]

YOu have GOT to be kidding me!!!

Now it's my word??? My opinion? I really thought you could do better than that!!!

See here is the problem we are having. You and your teacher and your teacher's followers are TRYING to use the BIBLE to show fault in Paul. I am WITH the BIBLE disproving your "faults with Paul". What I am saying is the REASON you guys seem to "find" "fault" in Paul is because you are NOT reading the bible correclty for one, for 2 you all are using the most horrideous version of scholarship I have ever witness.

Here is the deal, you say my stuff is old. But did you know that same old argument that you are trying to throw at me is just as old?? I have seen the EXACT same argument come from other nuwaubian's, atheists, muslims, and just plain bible hater's mouths and finger tips for the last 8 years. So you tell me who is working with old material. What is moor, it seems like yall have access to the same website or something which means that YOU yourself didn't find these descrepencies in Paul, THEY WERE TAUGHT to you. So what does THAT mean, that means all YOU are doing is exalting someone else's POOR research and opinions over MY EXCELLENT research (notice I didn't say opinions) I am not working with opinions. I am working with scripture. I work with scripture and forensic exergesis.

It seems like no MATTER how wrong you are proven, you will continue to hold on to your point of view with all ignorance. Hey, you are not the one I am trying to convince when I debate. It's the souls that are reading these debates that I care about. I know you are too far gone so I expend all this innerG on the eyes that are reading who say nothing, so that people will know how to answer this madness you nuwaubians and general bible haters like to spew. I have prevented many from leaving the kingdom of IHaWaH by viewing my debates over the years. When they see how you nuwaubians are manhandled by the scriptures, they fully see what a sham nuwaubu is. And my work is done.

So unless you have something else you wanna bring up about Paul that you want me to shoot down then by ALL means BRING IT ON!!! otherwise, I ain't rehashing nothing. If you need something reexplained to you, I'd suggest you reread what I have already written. It's amazing how so many other people can see what I am saying when I say what I'm saying, but it's like totally over your head.

Really though I waited 2 days for a response and this is the only strategy you could pull out of your hat? But then again I expect no less. Thats what all nuwaubians do when you got your foot on their neck, they either start calling you names or they Say "Prove it" or try to down play what was said like no matter what york is right even when he was just proven wrong.

As far as that "prove it" stuff go you were talking. NO YOU prove it!! The burden of proof is on YOU. YOU are the one making claims to Pauls fraudship. So prove it! Thus far you have done a very incompetent job of doing so. So until you are able to counter rebuttal, considered your false accusations and statements checked and successfully refutted. Or do you have to wait a few days until someone else in your religion can give you good enough responses to cut and paste here to me as if they are actual responses of yours? Or do you have to wait for the next "scroll" that york puts out that will help you answer my argument?

Nehisi said:

Now, Now One Dell, We all have read what you think, you and others keep bringing up link on "Paul the Deceiver" like that was the answer to everything!!!! And, And, Well, I thought you knew me better than that, Bro'. I didn't think you would dis ME with that same old stuff. I mean, I grant you, you have some people here convinced your word in bond, but that ain't happening chere. Where is your proof , son??? Your word ain't the proof. You just talkin' out the side of your mouth. You settin' there putting York down 'cause you say he uses the Bible to prove his point, and you t r y i n g to do the same thing. Ain't happening, BUB!!!! That aught to show you right there, with ALL the followers BaBa has, his message IS tight. Now, set down and prove what you believe, Don't let me have to tell you a~gain!!! What, you tryin' to be like Paul, you say? That's why he was REJECTED!!!!!

What you say???!!! Who Am I!!!!!! I am THE QUEEN ~ Darlin'. Next time, before you come out of your mouth half steppin', you will remember this......Peace.

Pauleeeze ;D ;D ;D ;D
I KNOW he don't know who I IS!!!!!

[1dell]

Now Nehisi you said I keep refering back to the post I created on Paul some months back? Do you know WHY? I see no reason to retype what I have already typed. truth is truth and doesn't change. If 1+1=2 in 3000 B.C. then 1+1=2 now. Truth is truth and doesn't change. I don't need to rewrap truth in a new package and sell it to you. But I guess thats what you nuwaubians are used to. Cuz thats all york does put an old scroll in a new cover and resell it to you just to make new money off an old product.

Don't hate because peoplea refering you to information I put together SPECIFICIALLY for that purpose of their use. Because YOU are resorting to hearsay and the false teachings of your teacher to come at me with. Why is it ok for you to do but not for others to do? I am SICK of this nuwaubian one-sidedness. You guys go and snatch arguments out of the books "360 Questions to ask a christian" By york, but when Illuminopolites refer you to my rebuttal against "Paul the Deceiver" then you have a problem?

You guys are not fit for the truth. I thought Libras were moor recognizing of logic and reason. What are you are doing is highly unreasonable.

[CoUrTnEy]

The difference is this: York and his followers claim the Bible is fallible and corrupt, BUT then use it to back up some rediculous statement of theirs when it's convenient and then in the same breath they contend the Bible is trash. What kind of sense does it make to use something you say is in error as proof of your arguement? Do you realize how foolish that is? No on the other hand, 1dell uses the Bible to back him up, but he also contends it is the word of GOD.. therefore he is using what he feels is the inerrant word of God, true, and correct as proof.. do you see the difference? do you see how that sounds ? Good grief. I surely hope so.

Nehisi said:

You settin' there putting York down 'cause you say he uses the Bible to prove his point, and you t r y i n g to do the same thing.

[Nehisi]

home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Feminism.html

www.bismikaallahuma.org/Paul/index.htm

www.sacred-texts.com/wmn/cws/cws34.htm

www.sacred-texts.com/wmn/wb/wb67.htm

essenes.net/paul1.htm

If these don't satisfy your pallette ~ And I will presume OneDell that you will find something to nag about ~ just holler!!!!

[1dell]

Thank you for confirming what I was saying. Your arguments from Paul are from mere hearsay from website scholars. Everybody knows, if it's on the web it MUST be true . See I have moor respect for someone who has combed thru the bible and have a PERSONAL problem with Paul NOT TAUGHT to have a problem with Paul. And JUST like i said, EVERY LAST ONE of them arguments I have seen 8 years ago!!! So nothing you are presenting to me surprises me.

Someone who can't fight there battles...

I swear, everything you are depending on them sites to do is just as weak as everything you have presented to this point.

I ask you to come back with something and you come back with some borrowed links? How nuwaubian of you. You Know nothing of your own can't fight on your own, you have to either plagiarize your info or copy and paste arguments. it's a daggone shame.

Man, so I guess if I reach into my Apologetics bookmarks and paste links to all the sites that I have that counter this anti-Paul info, then we'd both be even then huh?

Nehisi said:

home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Feminism.html

www.bismikaallahuma.org/Paul/index.htm

www.sacred-texts.com/wmn/cws/cws34.htm

www.sacred-texts.com/wmn/wb/wb67.htm

essenes.net/paul1.htm

If these don't satisfy your pallette ~ And I will presume OneDell that you will find something to nag about ~ just holler!!!!

[Nehisi]

You need to reach into somethin' cause your "WORD" ain't making it. When I show you in the Bible that you are wrong ~ You don't listen. That's just from reading the Bible using what you odviously don't know how to use is common sense. For some reason, I did not expect you to be that brainwashed. If you can't overstand that what Jesus says is what God instructs and that Paul taught his version in the name of God, then you can't read my son. Do you have Dysflexia? I mean , please don't be embarrass if you do. It's not a crime. The crime is pretending to know what you are talking about. One thang I have noticed , you spend more time telling people how they don't know and how you know and you still haven't proven where we are wrong!!!! You sound like Bush. I also have a library of books, here at my home and I also did a post entitled "Books". You know scholars read books, and go to school for years to be able to research some more, and then you got experience. 8 years you say?? What is 8 years?

Onedell, answer me just one question. When did Paul see Jesus??

[CoUrTnEy]

Here ya go:

illuzion.proboards1.com/index.cgi?board=york&action=display&n=1&thread=4719&start=0

He did a pretty good job here. You might want to read it and check it out for yourself. You tried to refute 1dell's points on Paul, however not sucessfully. Time and time again he has had to counter what you've said to show you the errors in your arguement. Personally I think he has more than proven nuwaubians, York, and YOU where you were wrong. Ya need to point that finger back at yourself b/c you the one not listening.

Nehisi said:

you still haven't proven where we are wrong!!!!

[1dell]

Let me put it to you like this. If after all this, after all that we just been thru, if you still think you are right, then you haven't read a word I've said. It's a shame, everyone else can see it EXCEPT the nuwaubians. Thats saying something. I guess what moor can you expect from a bunch of people that believe their 60+ year old teacher was visited by 3 beings in jail, who healed him of a disease that prevented him from getting an erection. What moor can you expect from people who claims a man is innocent when he himself said he was guilty.

It just shows the mentally that I am up against. And let me tell yall, you all are not match for me. You are sooo out of your league.

Obviously 8 years of diligent study is a lot moor than enough to thrash down your feeble attempts at making Paul look like some deceiver. For your information I have been a diligent student of the scripture for 12 years, I have been knocking down the heretics for the last 8. Heck when I was just 5 years into I was setting Nuwaubian's records straight about the bible. It's not about how long you do it, it's about how dedicated and diligently you study! Right now I can tear some Reverends and Pastors apart who have been preaching for over 20 years. So what does that say about time?

When did Paul see Jesus? Tell me this, when DIDN"T he see Jesus? Show me in the bible where it says he DIDN"T see Jesus?

Paul saw Ishua when Ishua was being tried and executed.

Nehisi said:

You need to reach into somethin' cause your "WORD" ain't making it. When I show you in the Bible that you are wrong ~ You don't listen. That's just from reading the Bible using what you odviously don't know how to use is common sense. For some reason, I did not expect you to be that brainwashed. If you can't overstand that what Jesus says is what God instructs and that Paul taught his version in the name of God, then you can't read my son. Do you have Dysflexia? I mean , please don't be embarrass if you do. It's not a crime. The crime is pretending to know what you are talking about. One thang I have noticed , you spend more time telling people how they don't know and how you know and you still haven't proven where we are wrong!!!! You sound like Bush. I also have a library of books, here at my home and I also did a post entitled "Books". You know scholars read books, and go to school for years to be able to research some more, and then you got experience. 8 years you say?? What is 8 years?

Onedell, answer me just one question. When did Paul see Jesus??

[Nehisi]

;D ;DThat is so-oo-oo possible. There were a lot of people at the crucifiction. But it is not proven in the Bible~ anywhere. Another one of your ASSumptions to convince yo'self, you do have a vivid imagination, One Dell

What is, or should I say ISN"T in the Bible is that Pauline or whatever he calls himself saw Jesus on the road to Damascus, nor did anyone who was with him see~ this so called transformation.

[CoUrTnEy]

Tell us where is the proof that those three aliens visited York in Jail - other than his saying so..

Nehisi said:

;D ;DThat is so-oo-oo possible. There were a lot of people at the crucifiction. But it is not proven in the Bible~ anywhere. Another one of your ASSumptions to convince yo'self, you do have a vivid imagination, One Dell

What is, or should I say ISN"T in the Bible is that Pauline or whatever he calls himself saw Jesus on the road to Damascus, nor did anyone who was with him see~ this so called transformation.