The "REAL" works of the Nuwaupians

[Master-9]

Ralph said:

How can they do work in Egypt when Masonry has been exiled from there since Nasar's regime? What is the name of the lodge in Egypt? The Sudan? There is not freemasonry practiced there. The ONLY Muslim Government that allows the practice of Freemasonry is Turkey.
The regular GLs in Africa are:


Ghana
Namibia
Natal
Nigeria
Orange Free State
St Helena
Sierra Leone & Gambia
South Africa, Central Div
South Africa, Eas Div
South Africa, North
South Africa, West Div
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Grand Lodge of South Africa
www.grandlodge.co.za

Grand Lodge of Benin

Grand Lodge of Burkina Faso

Grand Lodge of Gabon

National Grand Lodge of Guinea

Grand Lodge of Ivory Coast

Grand Lodge of The Republic of Liberia

Grande Loge Nationale Malienne

Grande Loge Nationale Togolaise

So no GL in Egypt or Sudan.
On the subject of merger? There will never be a merger. Too much history on both sides

Brother, The Brotherhood has always existed in this lands, for they originate in these lands. If you are refering to GLs that get their charter/warrant/permission from Europeans, then you are ver much correct.

They showed you in the movie "Mummy" pt. 1 & 2 the original shriners with the black Jallabyahs and red sashes...these are the orders I speak of.
Speak with the local arabs in your area, they will tell you, I'm speaking the truth...

Mums the word!

[Master-9]

Ralph said:

On the subject of merger? There will never be a merger. Too much history on both sides

Now that would really be masonic, a merger with both your histories combined.

"Oh how good and p...........dwell together in unity"

[Ralph]

Master-9 said:

Now that would really be masonic, a merger with both your histories combined.

"Oh how good and p...........dwell together in unity"

Mutual recognition has been already in place. That is the peace that we all share...

[Ralph]

Master-9 said:

Brother, The Brotherhood has always existed in this lands, for they originate in these lands. If you are refering to GLs that get their charter/warrant/permission from Europeans, then you are ver much correct.

They showed you in the movie "Mummy" pt. 1 & 2 the original shriners with the black Jallabyahs and red sashes...these are the orders I speak of.
Speak with the local arabs in your area, they will tell you, I'm speaking the truth...

Mums the word!

Have you traveled to Egypt? I have. Have you been to Turkey? I have. Masonry is practiced only in Israel and Turkey. Lebanon had to go underground and just recently resurfaced. So my question is to you (and not any other arabs).I am asking your source. And do not give me that answer,"from on high." ;D

[Master-9]

Ralph said:

Have you traveled to Egypt? I have. Have you been to Turkey? I have. Masonry is practiced only in Israel and Turkey. Lebanon had to go underground and just recently resurfaced. So my question is to you (and not any other arabs).I am asking your source. And do not give me that answer,"from on high." ;D

No! I haven't traveled to Egypt of the East, but I have many elders who have. My sources are The Brotherhood... By the way have you updated your site yet, could you provide the link, I have forgotten it

I will getting back to the original topic(The "REAL" works of the Nuwaupians) shortly

[Ralph]

Carter,
The old site is on the left of the PM. Click on it and you will have full access. We are in the process of updating and moving to a new site, where we can review books, post documentation, and give an updated list of those GLs that are Bogus. York's book on Prince Hall Freemasonry will be featured. If that book is still available, it can drum up sales for your GL.

[shamgod777]

Qustion:
How can Dr. Pork I mean York, teach/taught Masonry when he talked so poorly of Masons/Shriners a little over 10 years ago. It seems a little schitzo- It's if Elijah Muhhamad Saying the white man is the devil one day-then said I'm marring a White Women the next day--. Could you look at Elijah Muhammad and say he is my Leader?

[BalkisII]

shamgod777 said:

Qustion:
How can Dr. Pork I mean York, teach/taught Masonry when he talked so poorly of Masons/Shriners a little over 10 years ago. It seems a little schitzo- It's if Elijah Muhhamad Saying the white man is the devil one day-then said I'm marring a White Women the next day--. Could you look at Elijah Muhammad and say he is my Leader?

ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS!

[chephren]

shamgod777 said:

Qustion:
How can Dr. Pork I mean York, teach/taught Masonry when he talked so poorly of Masons/Shriners a little over 10 years ago. It seems a little schitzo- It's if Elijah Muhhamad Saying the white man is the devil one day-then said I'm marring a White Women the next day--. Could you look at Elijah Muhammad and say he is my Leader?

They must "follow the Lamb" wherever he goes and the next stop is the"can"!

[Ralph]

shamgod777 said:

Qustion:
How can Dr. Pork I mean York, teach/taught Masonry when he talked so poorly of Masons/Shriners a little over 10 years ago. It seems a little schitzo- It's if Elijah Muhhamad Saying the white man is the devil one day-then said I'm marring a White Women the next day--. Could you look at Elijah Muhammad and say he is my Leader?

Exactly my point. He stated that the Secret Societies are the work of the Devil and that you must come to Islam and join the Ansaaru Allah Community(what a sales pitch)
I left the NOI due to the changing of the Doctrine back in 1975. What Elijah preach and what his son preached(plus pushing Louis to the side), I left a little disgruntled. Sort of what some former Nuwaubians are going thru. I woke up real quick. Since 1975, no more self proclaimed prophets for me.......
They made too much money while I had little....

[chephren]

Ralph said:

Exactly my point. He stated that the Secret Societies are the work of the Devil and that you must come to Islam and join the Ansaaru Allah Community(what a sales pitch)
I left the NOI due to the changing of the Doctrine back in 1975. What Elijah preach and what his son preached(plus pushing Louis to the side), I left a little disgruntled. Sort of what some former Nuwaubians are going thru. I woke up real quick. Since 1975, no more self proclaimed prophets for me.......
They made too much money while I had little....

APTLY stated... No self proclaimed Spiritual Guru's for me neither. York wrote books about Noble Drew Ali, Marcus Garvey, and Elijah Muhammad and talked how they rec'd there doctrine from Masonry and all were killed for exposing Masonry doctrine...Then York comes out and he becomes the Mason OF ALL Masons! He even penned a book called secret societies unmasked! How hypocritical...York often said, The helping hand you're looking for is at the end of your own arm." Yet these people still beg for Mack-YOU (maku)!

[Ralph]

chephren said:

APTLY stated... No self proclaimed Spiritual Guru's for me neither. York wrote books about Noble Drew Ali, Marcus Garvey, and Elijah Muhammad and talked how they rec'd there doctrine from Masonry and all were killed for exposing Masonry doctrine...Then York comes out and he becomes the Mason OF ALL Masons! He even penned a book called secret societies unmasked! How hypocritical...York often said, The helping hand you're looking for is at the end of your own arm." Yet these people still beg for Mack-YOU (maku)!

Chephren,
What a crock! Elijah died of old age, Noble Drew was killed by someone from within, Marcus garvey was deported, but had worked side by side and kept PH Masons as close friends. Once again nothing but unfounded research by a person who has plaigiarized and led some who took his word as his bond. Do Nuwaubians read anything else besides the Holy Tablets?

[Master-9]

Ralph said:

Exactly my point. He stated that the Secret Societies are the work of the Devil and that you must come to Islam and join the Ansaaru Allah Community(what a sales pitch)

In the back cover of that book you will see the S&C(where the seven seals are). He was refering to Euro-Masonry and the Negro masons who beg and brag about their affiliation with these Luciferians. Noble York has always walked the path of a Shriner, Ansaars are living Shriners....Its funny to read what Niggers think they know

I'm showing you Kafirs what we are doing to better the world, what are you doing? People talk a lot of shit, but do nothing, where is your land with your images, where are your books, what movement you have started or are apart of? Malcom X said it bes....House niggas!

[Master-9]

U.S. Supreme Court

ANCIENT EGYPTIAN ARABIC ORDER OF NOBLES OF THE MYSTIC SHRINE V., 279 U.S. 737 (1929)

ANCIENT EGYPTIAN ARABIC ORDER OF NOBLES OF THE MYSTIC SHRINE et al.
v.
MICHAUX et al.


No. 7.
Argued Jan. 12 and 13, 1929.
Decided June 3, 1929.

[279 U.S. 737, 738]   Messrs. Harold S. Davis, of Boston, Mass., James E. White and Samuel A. T. Watkins, both of Chicago, Ill., and Moorfield Storey, of Boston, Mass., for petitioners.


Mr. Claude Pollard, of Austin, Tex., for respondents.


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Mr. Justice VAN DEVANTER delivered the opinion of the Court.


This case presents a controversy between two fraternal orders, called 'Nobles of the Mystic Shrine,' one having white and the other negro members. A short reference to the origin and history of these orders will conduce to an accurate appreciation of the controversy.


From early times there have been two distinct Masonic fraternities in the United States, one confined to white men and the other to negroes. Each has had its local lodges, grand lodges, and Supreme Lodge, and also several component bodies, including Knights Templar and Scottish Rite consistories. Both have existed in the same territory and have had similar names, rituals, and emblems, and yet have been independent and without any inter- [279 U.S. 737, 739]   relation. The white fraternity's existence in this country reaches back to early colonial times. The negro fraternity was organized in Boston in 1784, and afterwards was extended to other sections.


The orders called 'Nobles of the Mystic Shrine' are relatively modern, originated in the United States, and are outgrowths of the Masonic fraternities just described. They were founded by Masons, and their membership is restricted to Masons-white in one case and negro in the other-who have become Knights Templars or have received the thirty-second degree in a Scottish Rite consistory. The white Masons were the first to establish an order of Nobles of the Mystic Shrine. They organized one in New York in 1872 for fraternal and charitable purposes. The order grew rapidly, and soon came to have local lodges, called temples, in most of the states, and also to have a national governing body called its Imperial Council. The negro Masons imitatively organized a like order for like purposes in Chicago in 1893. It also grew, although not so rapidly as the white order, and came to have many local temples in other sections of the country and to have a national governing body called its Imperial Council. The constitution, emblems and regalia of the negro order, as also the titles given to the officers of its temples and council, were all adopted in imitation of those of the white order. Another feature imitatively copied was a purely fanciful calim, once put forth by the white order and afterwards discredited, to the effect that that order was an authorized extension of an ancient and illustrious order established centuries ago in Mohammedan countries.


Each of the orders, after becoming well organized, made it a practice to hold periodic national meetings attended with public parades and other features tending to bring attention to the order and to advance its extension. And, aside from such activities, each publicly engaged in commendable charitable work. The white order, by reason [279 U.S. 737, 740]   of its greater membership and the larger resources of its members, was able to carry that work further than the negro order could, but the contributions and efforts of the latter in that field were both helpful and substantial.


The white order always has been a voluntary unincorporated association. In 1895 the New York Legislature passed a special act purporting to incorporate it, but the proffered incorporation was rejected. In 1893 the negro order was incorporated under the laws of Illinois, but that incorporation was abandoned; and in 1901 the order was incorporated as a fraternal and charitable association under the Act of Congress of May 5, 1870, providing for the creation of corporations in the District of Columbia, c. 80, 3, 16 Stat. 98, 101.


The name adopted by the white order is 'Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine for North America,' and that adopted by the negro order, and under which it was incorporated, is 'Ancient Egyptian Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine of North and South America and its Jurisdictions.'


Prior to 1918, both orders established local temples in the state of Texas-in some instances in the same cities. Among the temples of the white order were one in Dallas established in 1887, one in El Paso established in 1907, and one in Houston established in 1915. Among those of the negro order were one in Dallas established in 1894, one in El Paso established in 1902, and one in Houston established in 1917


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The present suit was begun in 1918 in a state court of Texas. Originally it was brought by members of the local temple of the white order in Houston against members of the local temple of the negro order in that city to enjoin the latter from using any imitation of the name, constitution, titles, emblems, and regalia of the former. But through the voluntary intervention of other parties and a voluntary enlargement of the original pleadings, all [279 U.S. 737, 741]   with the court's leave, the suit was broadened into one between the two national orders, wherein the white order sought an injunction against the negro order restraining and preventing the latter, its lodges, officers, and members, 'throughout the state of Texas and the entire United States,' from further using the name under which it was acting, from designating its local lodges as 'temples,' from designating its members as 'Nobles' or 'Shriners,' from giving the officers of its lodges and council the titles of like officers in the white order, from using a constitution, emblems, and regalia like those of the white order, and from organizing or instituting lodges in imitation of those of that order.


The answer of the negro order may be summarized as denying that the white order had acquired any exclusive or superior right to use the name, constitution designations, titles, emblems, and regalia before mentioned or any of them; denying that the negro order's use of such name, constitution, designations, titles, emblems, and regalia was with any wrongful or fraudulent purpose, or was other than the exercise of a right belonging to that order as a lawfully constituted fraternal and charitable association; setting up the negro order's incorporation in 1901 under the Act of Congress of May 5, 1870, and asserting that, in virtue of that act and such incorporation, the order became entitled, if not theretofore entitled, to use the name which it had been and was still using, to adopt and have a constitution, to establish and have local lodges, to select and use appropriate emblems and regalia, and to do other things properly incident to the maintenance of a fraternal and charitable order; alleging that its acts and practices were all within its rights under that incorporation; asserting that there had been and was no competition between the two orders and that the white order drew its members wholly from the white Masonic fraternity while the negro order drew its members wholly from the [279 U.S. 737, 742]   negro Masonic fraternity; and setting up that the white order, by reason of its laches and its acquiescence in the acts and practices of the negro order, was without right to an injunction or other equitable relief.

[Master-9]

On a trial of the issues, the court made special findings of fact, stated its conclusions of law, and entered a decree awarding to the white order all of the relief sought. The findings of fact included one to the effect that the imitative acts and practices of the negro order constituted 'a fraudulent deception' injurious to the white order, and another to the effect that the white order had not acquiesced in those acts and practices and was not chargeable with laches in not taking earlier steps to stop them. The conclusions of law and the decree are copied in the margin. 1 The decree was affirmed by the Court of Civil Ap- [279 U.S. 737, 743]   peals, Burrell v. Michaux, 273 S. W. 874, and by the Supreme Court of the state, 286 S. W. 176. The negro order then petitioned this court for a review upon writ of certiorari, and the petition was granted. [279 U.S. 737, 744]   In the state appellate courts, the negro order relied on the Act of Congress of May 5, 1870, and its incorporation thereunder, just as it had done in the trial court, and also insisted that the decree against it was not in accord with the decision of this court in Creswill v. Knights of Pythias, 225 U.S. 246 , 32 S. Ct. 822, where like privileges asserted under that act of Congress by a fraternal and benevolent association incorporated thereunder were involved.


The right thus specially set up in the state court is a federal right. Whether it was denied or not given due recognition by the challenged decree, as affirmed, is a question on which the defeated claimants are entitled to [279 U.S. 737, 745]   invoke the judgment of this court, as is done in their petition for certiorari. And it is our province to inquire, not only whether the right was denied in direct terms, but also whether it was denied in substance and effect by interposing a nonfederal ground of decision having no fair support. Creswill v. Knights of Pythias, 225 U.S. 246, 258 , 261 S., 32 S. Ct. 822; Ward v. Love County, 253 U.S. 17, 22 , 40 S. Ct. 419; Davis v. Wechsler, 263 U.S. 22, 24 , 44 S. Ct. 13; Railroad Commission v. Eastern Texas R. R. Co., 264 U.S. 79, 86 , 44 S. Ct. 247; New York Central R. R. Co. v. New York & Pennsylvania Co., 271 U.S. 124, 126 , 46 S. Ct. 447.


The record and the opinions set forth therein make it apparent that the existence within the state of Texas of local lodges of each of the two orders was not contrary to any statute of the state. The state court put its decision upon principles of general law which it deemed appli- [279 U.S. 737, 746]   cable, and not upon any local regulations. It did not wholly refuse to recognize the right set up by the negro order in virtue of the incorporation under the act of Congress, but did hold that the white order had acquired a superior and exclusive right to use the name, constitution, emblems, and regalia in question by prior adoption and use; that the subsequent adoption and use by the negro order was in derogation of that right; that the white order, in the absence of acquiescence or laches on its part, was entitled to an injunction preventing further use by the negro order; and that there had been no such acquiescence or laches as would constitute a bar to that relief, inasmuch as the negro order had been proceeding with 'a fraudulent purpose of appropriating the benefits of the (white) order to themselves.'

Whether the rules relating to the use of trade-marks and trade-names are applicable to controversies like this between fraternal orders has been the subject of varying decisions in other courts. Without now indicating any opinion on that question, we shall indulge the assumption that the state court was right in holding those rules applicable and shall pass to another matter turning on the facts of this case, and which, as resolved by the state court, resulted in the denial of the federal right set up by the negro order. That matter is whether there was acquiescence or laches on the part of the white order. The state court held there was neither. If there was either, the white order was without any right to object to the use which it was seeking to restrain, and the negro order was entitled to continue that use in virtue of its incorporation under the Act of Congress.


An attentive examination of the record discloses, not only that the finding on the question of laches is without fair support in the evidence, but that the evidence conclusively refutes it. [279 U.S. 737, 747]   There is no evidence of a fraudulent intent on the part of the negro order, or of a purpose on its part to induce any one, whether Mason or non- Mason, to believe that it was the white order or that they were parts of the same fraternity. On the contrary, it is shown that the negro order always held itself out as entirely distinct from the white order and as open only to members of the negro Masonic fraternity. True, there was much imitation, but this is shown to have been in the nature of emulation rather than false pretense.


The evidence discloses that the negro order promptly entered its constitution in the Congressional Library under an act of Congress providing for copyrights; that its members openly wore its insignia as indicative of its existence and their membership; and that at its yearly national meetings the members in large numbers marched in public parades wearing its regalia.


It is further shown that the Imperial Potentate of the white order in his address at their national meeting in 1894 called attention to the existence of the negro order and to its use of names, titles, etc., like those of the white order. He also named Texas as one of the states in which the negro order had established lodges. The address was published and distributed among the lodges and members of the white order. At several subsequent meetings there was similar mention of the negro order and its activities.


Thus it is established that from the beginning the white order had knowledge of the existence and imitative acts and practices of the negro order. In addition, the evidence indubitably shows that with such knowledge the white order silently stood by for many years while the negro order was continuing its imitative acts and practices and was establishing new lodges, enlarging its membership, acquiring real property in its corporate name, and investing substantial sums in the copied paraphernalia, regalia, [279 U.S. 737, 748]   and emblems. It also is shown by the uncontradicted testimony of several witnesses-one a life member of the white order-that a large proportion of the copied paraphernalia, regalia, emblems, and insignia used by the negro order, its lodges and members, was purchased from or through members of the white order, and that in one instance a lodge of that order, preparatory to moving to new quarters, sold the paraphernalia and regalia used in the old quarters to a lodge of the negro order in the same city.


The effect on the negro order of the silence and apparent acquiescence of the white order is reflected in the fact that, when this suit was brought, the former had 76 local lodges, approximately 9,000 members, and real and personal property valued at approximately $600,000 which was held and used for fraternal and charitable purposes.


The only evidence making against that already outlined consists of a showing that a suit was instituted in Georgia in 1914 by a local lodge of the white order against a local lodge of the negro order to restrain the latter from imitating the name, emblems, and regalia of the former, and that a similar suit was begun in Arkansas a few years later-one resulting in a decree for the plaintiffs and the other in a decree for the defendants. In instituting these suits, the plaintiff lodges undoubtedly manifested strong objections to the imitative acts of the defendant lodges. But the objections came too late to overcome or weaken the force of the conduct of the white order during the 30 years preceding the earlier of the two suits. After that period of inaction and seeming acquiescence, it was too late to resuscitate the original exclusive right for which the white order is now contending. Saxlehner v. Eisner & Mendelson Co., 179 U.S. 19, 37 , 21 S. Ct. 7.


What we have said of the evidence demonstrates, as we think, not only that there was obvious and long-continued [279 U.S. 737, 749]   laches on the part of the white order, but also that the circumstances were such that its laches barred it from asserting an exclusive right, or seeking equitable relief, as against the negro order. Creswill v. Knights of Pythias, 225 U.S. 246 , 261-263, 32 S. Ct. 822; Saxlehner v. Eisner & Mendelson Co., 179 U.S. 19 , 35-37, 21 S. Ct. 7; Piatt v. Vattier, 9 Pet. 405, 416; Hayward v. National Bank, 96 U.S. 611 , 617; French Republic v. Saratoga Vichy Co., 191 U.S. 427 , 436-437, 24 S. Ct. 145; Benedict v. City of New York, 250 U.S. 321, 328 , 39 S. Ct. 476; Du Boulay v. Du Boulay, L. R. 2 P. C. 430, 446.