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Post by 1dell on Oct 27, 2003 20:33:59 GMT -5
Matthew records a virgin birth according to IshaIhava 7. But the question is: Is the book of IshaIHava even talking about the birth of Ishua. I now beg to differ. Before I would argue tooth and nail about back in the day. But now there is no way it could be speaking about the Messiah.
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Post by kAHANyAH on Oct 28, 2003 13:49:12 GMT -5
YES!!! I have been arguing this on paltalk for the longest!. The NT acct. of the virgin birth of the SON OF MAN is really the story of the babylonian story of Nimrod and his mother Semiramis (mary). And GUESS WHAT! ? She was a temple priestess prostitute [temple harlotry]. GUESS AGAIN! ? Her son did not know who his father was because she was sexed by cohorts of the priests and there was NO PATERNITY TEST!. The CHURCH MASQUERADED this illgitimate from ILLICITE affairs BASTARD birth by concocting the immaculate conception story. Think about it, what better way to cover up a child who did not know who his paternal father was by saying HE HAD NONE! LOL!! The CHURCH writers of the NT did not want the masses to know they are actually worshippin the SUN GOD - RA, NIMROD, and a host of other names this SAVIOR of the goyim, goes by. In my next posting I will show you in the matthew paternity geneology the code script which shows this. Matthew records a virgin birth according to IshaIhava 7. But the question is: Is the book of IshaIHava even talking about the birth of Ishua. I now beg to differ. Before I would argue tooth and nail about back in the day. But now there is no way it could be speaking about the Messiah.
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Post by 1dell on Oct 28, 2003 15:18:28 GMT -5
Dag bru, you got way ahead of me. lol. I wasn't even saying all that. I aint gonna accuse anyone for stealing info because we know that Virgin also means young woman, and unmarried woman. So anyhue, let the study begin:
For this to be innerstood the ENTIRE chapter (well most of it) must be read and the time and context innerstood.
During this time in Ysraeli history Ahaz ben Yotam ben Uzihava was king over Ihuda that Rezin king of Syria and Pekah ben R'malihava King of Israel went up to Irushalamayim to make war against it but could not overtake it. Then the news that Syrian forces were deployed in Efrayim and that disturbed the people of the House of david and Ihudah.
Then IHaVaH sent comfort to them thru IshaIhava telling him and his son Shear-Ishub to go out and meet M'lekh Ahaz and give him words of encouragement and assurance.
Then IshaIHaVa prophecies to Ahaz to let him know what will happen. Then IHaVaH tells IshaIHaVa to ask Ahaz for a sign of him 7:11 but Ahaz refused 7:12 to ask for a sign because he didn't want to test IHaVaH
THEN Ahaz begins to prophecy!!!! 7:13. Many people think it's IshaIHaVa prophesying this but it's actually Ahaz speaking:
7:13 "Then he said, "Hear now o house of David is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? Therefore IHaVaH himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel. Curds (by product of milk) and honey he shall eat that he may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. for before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings. IHaVaH will bring the king of Assyria upon you and your people and your father's house days that not come since the day that Efrayim departed from Judah""
Then 7:18-25 speak of what ELSE is going to happen in that day that the virgin shall conceive. Lo and Behold, NONE of that takes place even remotely during Ishua's day!!! In fact it all takes place only a few years later from this prophesy! When Israel/Ihudah it taken captive by the babylonians and many of it's habitants defect to other surrounding nations and only a remnant is left in the land.
Ahaz rebukes the house of David and says that the only sign that will be given is the sign of a virgin giving birth to a son. Now who is this virgin and who is this son?
Here is a clue:
Isa 23:12 And he said, Thou shalt no more rejoice, O thou oppressed virgin, daughter of Zidon: arise, pass over to Chittim; there also shalt thou have no rest.
again
Isa 37:22 This [is] the word which the LORD hath spoken concerning him; The virgin, the daughter of Zion, hath despised thee, [and] laughed thee to scorn; the daughter of Jerusalem hath shaken her head at thee.
We know who the virigin is and we know she is to give birth to an offspring named ImmanuEL (God is with us or God is within our Midsts)
Isa 8:8 And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach [even] to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.
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Isa 8:10 Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God [is] with us.
Chapter 8 continues the prophecy against Rezin and the As/Syrians
But that doesn't really ansaar the question as to who the Offspring of the Virgin (the Daughter of Tziyon) is.
We know this though, that Zion is the virgin who we can find in the book of Revelations 12:1-6. We know this woman is Israel because she was clothed with the Sun and had the moon at her feet in 12 stars as a garland on her head. Come on now! All one has to do is remember back to the Dream of Yosef to know how to decode this. Even Y'kob knew what it meant and his brothers.
This woman is about to give birth and is on the run from the dragon with 7 heads then she rests in a place that God has prepared for her to have this child. Well in the books of YrmeIHaVa and Ikezekel about how the REMNANT that is left and those who return from captivity would be considered the offspring upon return.
Gotta goto lunch which I could give moor details. gotta run.
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