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Post by Ralph on Jun 24, 2004 13:07:07 GMT -5
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Master-9
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You can't stop NUWAUBU!!!!
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Post by Master-9 on Jun 24, 2004 19:24:17 GMT -5
Ralph, I don't go to PHA sites and badger you fellow brothers about my opinion of your origins or charter, I don't go to Christian, muslim, jewish, hindu, or athiest sites and debate with them on their beliefs or doctrins. I respect all brothers who have taken the oaths of my order, whatever letter or origin. I don't get hung up on small things, I'm concentrating on Ps 133 I don't know what you are looking for, but you want distract me from my Job. Remember......Nuwau-Pu will never fade away  |
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Post by Ralph on Jun 28, 2004 15:57:43 GMT -5
Ralph, I don't go to PHA sites and badger you fellow brothers about my opinion of your origins or charter, I don't go to Christian, muslim, jewish, hindu, or athiest sites and debate with them on their beliefs or doctrins. I respect all brothers who have taken the oaths of my order, whatever letter or origin. I don't get hung up on small things, I'm concentrating on Ps 133 I don't know what you are looking for, but you want distract me from my Job. Remember......Nuwau-Pu will never fade away Carter, Sometimes the truth hurts my brother.... I invite you to a forum where all are accepted. But ya got to come right...... groups.yahoo.com/group/pharesearch/Come and get some education. There are Masons and OES from all over the world. From all affiliations. Now do you need me to recommend you to the forum? Also, do you need to get permission from your elders??? WHAT EVERY MASON SHOULD KNOW ABOUT REGULAR FREEMASONRY VERSUS IRREGULAR MASONRY: Article by: Pete Normand, Chairman, Fraternal Relations Committee Over the past decade there has been an increased attempt by members of irregular Masonic bodies to contact regular Freemasons and have informal communication with us. Many of these irregular organizations originated in France, or continental Europe, and have spread rapidly to the East coast of the U.S. and Canada. This is due in large part to the increased availability of information about Freemasonry, and their use of internet bulletin boards and list servers. At the same time, some regular Freemasons in this country have begun to consider it fashionable or "cosmopolitan" to fraternize with members of these irregular Masons on the internet, and to invite them to informal Masonic gatherings, Lodge dinners, and even open Masonic events like "open installations" and other social gatherings, where ladies and non-Masons are invited, and where traditional Freemasonry and Masonic customs are often abused. On occasion they have been invited to attend meetings of appendant or affiliated bodies and research organizations and have even been admitted to membership in some of them. These practices come very near to violating traditional Masonic customs and usages, and in some cases actually cross that line and violate Masonic obligations and existing Grand Lodge laws. The real damage to regular Freemasonry occurs when unsuspecting eligible candidates end up joining these irregular bodies without being aware that they are joining an irregular body that has no relation or historic connection to their fathers' and grandfathers' fraternity, only to return to their home state and find that they are not welcome in their hometown lodge. This in turn breeds an uninformed animosity against our fraternity by those who might otherwise have been regular Masons and members of our lodges and regular Freemasonry. There is nothing to stop unscrupulous individuals from buying an old ritual book at a used book store, ordering Masonic regalia over the internet, renting adequate space, and then beginning to make irregular Masons. This very thing has been done here in Texas and virtually every major city in the western world. At the present time, there are as many as a dozen irregular grand lodges in Texas alone. The day is not too distant when these irregular organizations will want to level cornerstones and gain the same stature and recognition as our own grand lodge. Our fraternity is being stolen by these irregular Masons, and there is no other word for it. We should not, under any circumstances, grant them any acknowledgement as legitimate. To take the position that "they are merely a different type, or a different brand, of Freemasonry, somewhat different from our own that we simply do not yet recognize," is not just misguided, it is factually wrong. In fact, they have no right to the good name of Freemasonry, its history, its philosophy, its symbolism, its regalia, its customs and practices, or its rightful place in western society, much less to any kind of recognition as Masons, regular or otherwise, however slight. When encountering them either in person or on the internet, we should be cordial, polite and brief, but rebuff their advances firmly, informing them that it is a violation of our obligation and laws to have Masonic communication with irregular Masons. |
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Post by nuwaubianhotep on Sept 17, 2004 22:56:24 GMT -5
Raahubat. When and where was this document retrived? Where there any carbon dating tests proformed upon it? You also stated @ Ralph that you now have available birth records for Prince Hall. Can you display this as well? These questions were asked in the interest of non-bias research. NWB HTP |
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Post by Ralph on Sept 18, 2004 8:39:01 GMT -5
Raahubat. When and where was this document retrived? Where there any carbon dating tests proformed upon it? You also stated @ Ralph that you now have available birth records for Prince Hall. Can you display this as well? These questions were asked in the interest of non-bias research. NWB HTP Barry, Remember when I gaveyou the web page to the Library of Congress?? That is where this cod came from. Now as far as his birth records? There are none to be found, but his death records exist.. Carbon testing??? YOu are funny.... |
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Post by nuwaubianhotep on Sept 18, 2004 12:47:19 GMT -5
Should I repharse my questions? Or would you rather scroll up and read them again?
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Post by Ralph on Sept 18, 2004 23:57:45 GMT -5
Should I repharse my questions? Or would you rather scroll up and read them again? barry, maybe you should try reading the speech and tell me what century it was written in. Note the "s" letters in the speech. That should tell you something... |
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Post by nuwaubianhotep on Sept 19, 2004 10:56:05 GMT -5
barry, maybe you should try reading the speech and tell me what century it was written in. Note the "s" letters in the speech. That should tell you something... What I think is that Prince Hall and the Kerry campaign has the same ghost writer. Until you can provide some verifiable references such as carbon dating and retrivial information I will consider this a fraud. |
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Post by Ralph on Sept 19, 2004 15:01:04 GMT -5
What I think is that Prince Hall and the Kerry campaign has the same ghost writer. Until you can provide some verifiable references such as carbon dating and retrivial information I will consider this a fraud. A fraud? Yo are entitled to your opinion, but I would state that a document so old has its place in the Library of Congress. Ask the library of congress how authentic it is. Do you need a contact there?  |
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Post by nuwaubianhotep on Sept 19, 2004 15:07:38 GMT -5
A fraud? Yo are entitled to your opinion, but I would state that a document so old has its place in the Library of Congress. Ask the library of congress how authentic it is. Do you need a contact there? So, you're saying that I should accept it as authenthic because it's held by the Library Of Congress? Sorry Brah, I'm not that patriotic. - 1. Where did it come from?
- 2. Who gave it to the Library of Congress?
- 3. Was the paper tested to confirm it's age?
I'm not trying to hate. I'm a factologist. |
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Post by Ralph on Sept 19, 2004 15:23:28 GMT -5
So, you're saying that I should accept it as authenthic because it's held by the Library Of Congress? Sorry Brah, I'm not that patriotic. - 1. Where did it come from?
- 2. Who gave it to the Library of Congress?
- 3. Was the paper tested to confirm it's age?
I'm not trying to hate. I'm a factologist. Barry, Any one who has researched the writings from the 1700s are aware of the script from that time. Now, as I have stated to you, if yo are truly interested, then I suggest yo ucontact the Library of Congress. The same speech was noted in the Boston Gazette on August 28, 1797. Email the contact at the Library of Congress. I am sure that they will pass on the info that you want. We are glad that the doc is on record and not lost like many other docs that have been written by our people... |
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Post by nuwaubianhotep on Sept 19, 2004 15:26:09 GMT -5
Barry, Any one who has researched the writings from the 1700s are aware of the script from that time. Now, as I have stated to you, if yo are truly interested, then I suggest yo ucontact the Library of Congress. The same speech was noted in the Boston Gazette on August 28, 1797. Email the contact at the Library of Congress. I am sure that they will pass on the info that you want. We are glad that the doc is on record and not lost like many other docs that have been written by our people... So, in other words 'you Ralph McNeal do not know where the document came from'. Any How.. i'm done wit it.. Even if it is authenthic.. |
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Post by Ralph on Sept 19, 2004 15:35:39 GMT -5
So, in other words 'you Ralph McNeal do not know where the document came from'. Any How.. i'm done wit it.. Even if it is authenthic.. Boston Athenaeum where many of the docs from that era are housed. Barry, Did you not state that you were going to travel there??? |
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Post by Ralph on Sept 19, 2004 15:43:17 GMT -5
So, in other words 'you Ralph McNeal do not know where the document came from'. Any How.. i'm done wit it.. Even if it is authenthic.. Barry, You don't read much do you? Look here and schroll down: memory.loc.gov/ammem/aaohtml/exhibit/aopart2.html#0219Then look at this web page. That doc is housed in the rare docs, so someone who is the expert must know the authenticity of this doc. Plus the web pages I gave you may enlighten you to some other things. Note the pic of William Still. He also was a PH mason.... |
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Post by urodezokok on May 6, 2019 9:40:23 GMT -5
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