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Post by NAR on Jan 23, 2004 5:59:28 GMT -5
Peace Kah, I do agree that Ophir is a word symphony for Aphar, Opher or Epher. Ophir was a region where gold was produced, but not the gold itself. Aphar (ophir) also means gazelle, which in the sacred records of MU, symbolised the advent of MAN, whom the Book of Genesis refers to as ADAM (Feminine ADAMAH). The the phrase golden gazelle can be sumed up in the Aramaic word Opher. The story of the so called "golden calf" in the book of Exodus, which is based on a real event in human consciousness, is based on the "golden gazelle (opher)." This form of ancestorial worship (totem) stems back to the making of MAN on the lost continent MU ( T). Peace kaH, The reader can only assume (at best) that the image of the bullock (agol) was made of GOLD. The book of Exodus does NOT mention anything about a GOLDEN calf (bullock). If it did, it would have said Paz Agol (Gold Calf) or at best Zahab Agol and not Maccekah Agol (Molten Calf). Therefore, linguistically, there is no evidence of a calf being made of Gold in the book of Exodus. The reader can only assume that there was.
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Post by NAR on Jan 23, 2004 6:19:14 GMT -5
Now brother Kah, a very intimate biblical question arises: Where is the GOLD?And I said unto them, Whosoever hath any gold, let them break it off. So they gave it me: then I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf.--Ex 32:24 Where is the my peoples GOLD? ;D
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jan 23, 2004 9:31:37 GMT -5
NAR come on bros. You are making my pt. with that scripture. The calf was made from the molting of the GOLD earings!!! Now brother Kah, a very intimate biblical question arises: Where is the GOLD?And I said unto them, Whosoever hath any gold, let them break it off. So they gave it me: then I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf.--Ex 32:24 Where is the my peoples GOLD? ;D
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Post by NAR on Jan 23, 2004 10:22:00 GMT -5
The Molting of the "golden" earings produced a "molten calf" and not a "golden calf." You can assume a "golden calf" was produced; however, the scriptures mention nothing of that sort. NAR come on bros. You are making my pt. with that scripture. The calf was made from the molting of the GOLD earings!!!
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jan 23, 2004 10:37:18 GMT -5
LOL!! okay so you wanna play mr. Technical, then let me catch you on your own logic. You say Adam came from Adamah (ground). However, the scripture says he was made from the *DUST* of Adamah - NOT ADAMAH. Just tossing the pie back at ya face! ;D The Molting of the "golden" earings produced a "molten calf" and not a "golden calf." You can assume a "golden calf" was produced; however, the scriptures mention nothing of that sort.
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Post by Ralph on Jan 23, 2004 13:19:02 GMT -5
Just imagine if those fake jews go back to hell, what a great world it would be....long live Saddam Carter, Which Jews?
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Post by NAR on Jan 23, 2004 18:18:39 GMT -5
That is American as Cherry Pie brother Kah. The scriptures does echo the fact that Adam was fashioned from the rubbish (menstrum, starfire) of Woman. LOL!! okay so you wanna play mr. Technical, then let me catch you on your own logic. You say Adam came from Adamah (ground). However, the scripture says he was made from the *DUST* of Adamah - NOT ADAMAH. Just tossing the pie back at ya face! ;D
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Post by Ralph on Jan 23, 2004 18:30:56 GMT -5
Just imagine if those fake jews go back to hell, what a great world it would be....long live Saddam This was sent to me a few years backfrom a Nuwaubian so-called mason. "And as far as being Muslim we always said we weren't what you all are and as soon as we completed your lifelong religion which is but a mere degree to us and left then you all started missing us though for years you Sunni's said that we weren't muslims so now you can keep your 1400 yr old whisker worshipping religion ." Is he not a Sunni Muslim?
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Post by Rowe on Feb 1, 2004 14:37:34 GMT -5
On the vast continent of 'Africa' (a name given to it by Europeans), there are 3,000 peoples (or tribes) and each tribe has its own religious system delineating its own distinctive version of how life began (J. Mbiti, African Religions and Philosophy, Introduction). And one tribe does not impose its religious system and version onto another tribe. The hebrew version, that is provided in the bible, is but one version out of many incipient stories that emanate out of Africa in addition to other continents on the globe. The reason why African Americans cling so tightly to this version is due in part to their colonization and cultural displacement. However, historians as well as theologians have long since proven that the bible is not an accurate account of history and should never be relied upon as a history book. Therefore, it matters little whether or not the character 'Adam' was created from dust or the character was created with the aid of a feminine entity because it is a rhetorical and subjective narrative of how life began. Some historians and religious authorities claim the Hebrew version is of Egyptian origin and was stolen right out of the pages of the The Papyrus of Ani, commonly known as the Egyptian Book of The Dead. However, people should be informed that even North African Egyptians, and their cultural parents, the Ethiopians, subscribed to many, many varations of stories that explained the beginning of humanity and the universe. Many of these variations were never "written down" because African people are largely oral people, not literal people, our stories are passed down from one generation to the next orally, through song, dance, story-telling, and moral and philosophical art creation. However, it is important to note that it was not uncommon to find women being adulated as Gods, and even in some traditional African religions, "God" (The Creator) is female and serves Her people as a omniscient matriarch; Her responsibility is not to simply be a "suitable mate" or an "aid."
References and Suggested Reading:
1. Introduction to African Religion by John S. Mbiti
2. African Religions and Philosophy by John S. Mbiti (Intermediate Reading)
3. The African Origins of the Major 'Western' Religions by Yosef Ben-Joachannan
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Post by NAR on Feb 2, 2004 4:23:24 GMT -5
welcome to nuwaubulis rowe and thankyou for the sources.
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Post by Rowe on Feb 2, 2004 18:55:38 GMT -5
Thank you! It seems like a nice place. I am always seeking out people with whom I can learn something from.
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Post by NAR on Feb 3, 2004 0:59:22 GMT -5
Nefer Liyya Antuk/t (Good to You)!
[quote author=Rowe
link=board=Nuwaubu&thread=1074657183&start=25#1 date=1075766138]Thank you! It seems like a nice place. I am always seeking out people with whom I can learn something from.[/quote]
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