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Post by 1dell on May 19, 2004 14:24:40 GMT -5
Christianity is world reknown right about now, but will that brand of Christianity that is being purported a viable method of salvation? With so many errors?
If Ishua/Yshua/Jesus died for the sins of the world and the world doesn't know the REAL him, then how will they will be "saved" This method of true Salvation is still hidden from the world if you ask me. Because the wrong Jesus is being marketed.
But aside from that what about the many of other religions who have never heard of Ishua and will die without ever hearing about Ishua, what of them? Will they just be escorted to hell and how fair is that?
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Post by Zakiah Levanah on May 19, 2004 14:36:27 GMT -5
You know I never remember scripts. BUT I believe that there is scripture stating that everyone will know or get a chance to know of the messiah. Also there are going to be people who live through the tribulation, and those who will be resurrected and given a new spiritual body or the new saved body. All those who live through the end will see him with there own eyes and have a chance to be taught by his preisthood while he reigns for a thousand years. Also there are those who may not call on his name or know him but they walk his walk more than us walking around with his scriptures. I think if you walk his walk you'll be saved, but that is my opinion. The meek shall inherit the earth.
So tell us what does scripture say? Most Christians will say not to accept him is to perish, Jew's will say repentance and keepinng Torah is the way to salvation ect...
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Post by SatiyaH on May 22, 2004 21:23:56 GMT -5
Christianity is world reknown right about now, but will that brand of Christianity that is being purported a viable method of salvation? With so many errors? If Ishua/Yshua/Jesus died for the sins of the world and the world doesn't know the REAL him, then how will they will be "saved" This method of true Salvation is still hidden from the world if you ask me. Because the wrong Jesus is being marketed. But aside from that what about the many of other religions who have never heard of Ishua and will die without ever hearing about Ishua, what of them? Will they just be escorted to hell and how fair is that? Jhn 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Gospel of Thomas (1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death." It is essential to realize that it was the sayings (proverbial, teachings) which offers 'Salvation'. Saved from what exactly? Text tells us those that keep the words are saved from never having to see or experiencing death. |
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Post by 1dell on May 28, 2004 5:37:22 GMT -5
I'd like to add my ansaar which is similar to Satiyah's:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Basically a man will be judged by his actions/deeds. If his deeds are evil or if his deeds are good. That measure or barometer of goodness and evilness will be the Law/Torah. If one studies the different holy texts of the world they will find that there is similitude in them all. In their brand of morality and requirements for conduct.
To each nation was given a code of conduct. When IHaWaH separated the languages, he also gave different laws to different societies to make SURE there would be no further unification of the races. To ensure there would be no total global unification. And if you look today nothing keeps us apart like race and religion. I am thinking that IHaWaH could not withstand a total global rebellion which is why he prevented it from happening eons ago.
I no longer judge a man by the holy book he follows Because within them are the basic commandments that parallel my own.
I really like these verses:
Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, [that] the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Mic 4:4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make [them] afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken [it].
Mic 4:5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.
According to scripture this is a glimpse of immortality and those who shall pass the judgment. WE find that all people will walk in the name of THEIR god but the hebrews will walk in the name of THEIR God IHaWaH. The both (jews and gentiles) shall do this FOREVER.
These scriptures confirming that
The church has taught us that we MUST believe in Jesus in order to be "saved" saved from what? Saved like when I go to the File menu command and click "Save" or am I "Save as"? I guess we'll talk about being Saved later But now, let's see what Ishua says:
Jhn 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Jhn 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father [is] in me, and I in him.
Again it's about works/actions/deeds. In this case though Ishua is pleading with the Perushiym, saying to them that though they may not believe him to be Messiah, he is identifyable by his works, so acknowledge him by his works. But then there is a twist to this sorta. Because What he is REALLY trying to get them to acknowledge is that he is the son of God. But then again he diminished that role a bit because he is saying that there are other sons of gods and that one's actions proves whose son you are. Here are the verses that I left out:
Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.
Jhn 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.
Jhn 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jhn 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Jhn 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Verse 27 is PARAMOUNT because Ishua says "My sheep Hear my voice" question, who are his sheep? Did he not say he came for the lost sheep of Ysra'al? He came to the Ysra'ali yet sent his Talmadiym to the rest of the word to spread the message of conduct towards God.
Whats significant about the rest of the verses is that he says "if he called them gods to whom the word of God came" is this the birthright of everyman that knows his potential as the heralder of the oracles of God?
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