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Post by CoUrTnEy on Sept 16, 2004 5:22:22 GMT -5
Christians salvation can be explained by the three R's:
Realize you are a sinner
Repent of your sins
Receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior
There are differing views about keeping one's salvation however. Some believe "once saved, always saved" some believe you can be saved more than once.. My personal belief is "once saved always saved" UNLESS you walk away from your salvation and turn your back on the Lord. It's a very complicated and touchy subject amoung Christians and non-believers. I am a very liberal person, and I believe that God also sees what's in your heart and I would hope He would keep that in mind. Ultimately we will not know who has the right answer to this question until we pass away.
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Post by Master-9 on Sept 16, 2004 6:29:38 GMT -5
Christians salvation can be explained by the three R's: Realize you are a sinner Repent of your sins Receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior There are differing views about keeping one's salvation however. Some believe "once saved, always saved" some believe you can be saved more than once.. My personal belief is "once saved always saved" UNLESS you walk away from your salvation and turn your back on the Lord. It's a very complicated and touchy subject amoung Christians and non-believers. I am a very liberal person, and I believe that God also sees what's in your heart and I would hope He would keep that in mind. Ultimately we will not know who has the right answer to this question until we pass away. How do you accomplish number 3 Receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior? |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Sept 16, 2004 11:19:42 GMT -5
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Post by Master-9 on Sept 17, 2004 9:16:41 GMT -5
Receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior From my reseach and religious education, I render what you saying as this: If you Accept the teachings of the Rabboni Yashua Bar Marriyam Ha Mashiach(The Lord Jesus son of Mary The Messiah(in arabic this word means to wipe clean), it will result in the salvation of your mind and soul. The problem is, what is his teachings? Because when I visit the local churches in my area, I don't see the laws and lifestyle that Jesus follow bering practiced |
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Post by Master-9 on Sept 17, 2004 9:25:56 GMT -5
The Evangel According to John
Chapter 3
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 the same came unto him by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from Yahweh; for no one can do these signs that thou doest, except Elohim be with him.
3 Yahshua answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of Elohim.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter a second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Yahshua answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of Elohim!
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew.
8 The wind bloweth where it will, and thou hearest the voice thereof, but knowest not whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Yahshua answered and said unto him, Art thou the teacher of Israel, and understandest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that which we know, and bear witness of that which we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I told you earthly things and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you heavenly things?
13 And no one hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended out of heaven, even the Son of man, who is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up;
15 that whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life.
16 For Elohim so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
17 For Elohim sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him.
18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of Elohim.
19 And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Sept 17, 2004 11:20:08 GMT -5
This is a result of people talking the talk but not walking the walk.. and I think this can be said about many religions. Another problem is that a lot of people attribute demands of Jews in the old testament to Christians in the new testament and it just doesn't work that way. Basically, old rituals and such became unecessary when Jesus was crucified on the cross. He paid for our sins with his blood. If you check one of the other posts in the this forum you mentioned sabbath on the wrong day - I addressed this there. From my reseach and religious education, I render what you saying as this: If you Accept the teachings of the Rabboni Yashua Bar Marriyam Ha Mashiach(The Lord Jesus son of Mary The Messiah(in arabic this word means to wipe clean), it will result in the salvation of your mind and soul. The problem is, what is his teachings? Because when I visit the local churches in my area, I don't see the laws and lifestyle that Jesus follow bering practiced |
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Post by Master-9 on Sept 17, 2004 11:47:29 GMT -5
This is a result of people talking the talk but not walking the walk.. and I think this can be said about many religions. Another problem is that a lot of people attribute demands of Jews in the old testament to Christians in the new testament and it just doesn't work that way. Basically, old rituals and such became unecessary when Jesus was crucified on the cross. He paid for our sins with his blood. If you check one of the other posts in the this forum you mentioned sabbath on the wrong day - I addressed this there. Jesus said he didn't come to destroy the Law of Moses, but to fullfil: Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. It is Paul who taught against the Law |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Sept 17, 2004 12:00:27 GMT -5
This is the problem I have wit the PAUL epistles where the entire xtiandom doctrine leans heavily towards. Paul taught against the 'strict' adherence of the law, giving much liberty within the law. I strongly believe Paul was deceived. What many xtians fell to pick up on is Paul is not exempt from the spirit of deception. And G-d had a ministry on the planet of sending forth lieing spirits into the mouths of many self-proclaimed prophets. Paul was one of them
1Ki 22:22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade [him], and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
1Ki 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
Many bible readers forget about the above mentioned ministry - the ministry of deception and delusion. Jesus said he didn't come to destroy the Law of Moses, but to fullfil: Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. It is Paul who taught against the Law |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Sept 17, 2004 12:18:36 GMT -5
Here:
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
ALSO, those rules in the OT apply to the Jews not the gentiles. You have asked about Christian salvation and such and I have addressed the question. I realize the two of you have disagreements with the doctrine, but here in the Christian forum it is for fellowship, and YES discussion, however Christians should not have to defend your faith.. just as i would not come to the Nuwaubian forum in such a manner ...
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Post by kAHANyAH on Sept 17, 2004 12:50:03 GMT -5
my bad Courtney. I appologize. Its just when ever paul is mentioned I go into dis-mantle mode.
RESPECTS TO YOUR FORUM.
Peace.
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Sept 17, 2004 14:38:11 GMT -5
No problem Kah I have much respect for those that admit when they are wrong  Also I would like to point out that there is some dispute on what was actual law and what was "ritual". In my mind, the laws of Moses were the 10 commandments.. however things such as the day for sabbath, blood sacrifice, etc were rituals. Therefore the scripture you quoted from Mathew and the scripture I quoted are not in conflict - they are talking about two different things. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Sept 17, 2004 17:07:09 GMT -5
U will always be CoUrTnEy LUV! No problem Kah I have much respect for those that admit when they are wrong Also I would like to point out that there is some dispute on what was actual law and what was "ritual". In my mind, the laws of Moses were the 10 commandments.. however things such as the day for sabbath, blood sacrifice, etc were rituals. Therefore the scripture you quoted from Mathew and the scripture I quoted are not in conflict - they are talking about two different things. |
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Post by gamaliel on Sept 17, 2004 19:47:51 GMT -5
No problem Kah I have much respect for those that admit when they are wrong Also I would like to point out that there is some dispute on what was actual law and what was "ritual". In my mind, the laws of Moses were the 10 commandments.. however things such as the day for sabbath, blood sacrifice, etc were rituals. Therefore the scripture you quoted from Mathew and the scripture I quoted are not in conflict - they are talking about two different things. There was I think a total of 613 commandments in The Torah. Sum of these commandments started before Moses and was passed on generation to generation. The Egyptians had similar commandments. The rituals where given to Moses as a way to remove any sin from the nation of Israel depending on the transgression. Where Christianity differs is a personal one-on-one relationship with Jesus. So the sin is on the individual to take their sin straight to Jesus, instead of a high priest as a mediator. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Sept 17, 2004 20:31:39 GMT -5
I think where perhaps the difference of opinion lies between different religions/denominations is what was commandments and what was ritual. Also, some people think that a commandment that was made to one person should be applied to all people( I dont agree with that line of thought- in certain situations). There was I think a total of 613 commandments in The Torah. Sum of these commandments started before Moses and was passed on generation to generation. The Egyptians had similar commandments. The rituals where given to Moses as a way to remove any sin from the nation of Israel depending on the transgression. Where Christianity differs is a personal one-on-one relationship with Jesus. So the sin is on the individual to take their sin straight to Jesus, instead of a high priest as a mediator. |
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Post by Master-9 on Sept 17, 2004 21:30:11 GMT -5
Here: Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;ALSO, those rules in the OT apply to the Jews not the gentiles. You have asked about Christian salvation and such and I have addressed the question. I realize the two of you have disagreements with the doctrine, but here in the Christian forum it is for fellowship, and YES discussion, however Christians should not have to defend your faith.. just as i would not come to the Nuwaubian forum in such a manner ... No disrespect, but can you show me where Jesus told us not to follow the Laws of the Prophets....? I consider myself a christian by definitian no matter what anyone thinks. I am not try to make you defend your Faith, but rather ask questions concerning your faith. I being a born again christian who has accepted the science of Wu-nuwupu(Nuwaupu) have been taught to ask questions and seek the truth in all things. Now I no some people are content in noty studing to show themselves approved, but I must get the right knowledge for my soul's sake. I follow the teachings of Jesus not Paul or any of his disciples |
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