Did Jesus Christ ABANDON HIS FLOCK ?

[kAHANyAH]

As it is written, John 7.33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.. When you read further down he continues by saying - where he will proceed to we would not be able to find nor follow him. Did Jesus ABANDON HIS FLOCK ? In the movie "PASSION" there is a scene where Jesus has a black eye from the beat down. The scripture that comes to mind illustrating this is - Zec 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword [shall be] upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened. Was the movie "PASSION" about the idol sheperd ?

[kAHANyAH]

and think about it, have not the christian world given worshipfullness to Jesus the savior ? Is not worship of any man [son of man] - idolatry ? He is being IDOLIZED MY MANY is he not ? JESUS the man in bible history is an IDOL SHEPHERD.

[CoUrTnEy]

Ok.. let me talk about this first.. i read the whole passage and pondered what you said.. i happened to have my bible at work with me.. it has little side notes and this is what it said about this particular passage:

Jesus spoke to the nominal discipes, those who were not willing to invest their lives ina personal commitment to Him. Jesus referred to his death telling them that he would go to the father and they would not be able to find him. these jews had put their trust in belonging to the family of abraham. they had not put their trust in God's plan of salvatio through Jesus. jesus told them, in effect, that when they did come to an understanding of God and the Good News and wanted to place their faith in him, it would then be too late.

kAH said:

As it is written, John 7.33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.. When you read further down he continues by saying - where he will proceed to we would not be able to find nor follow him. Did Jesus ABANDON HIS FLOCK ?

[CoUrTnEy]

I have pondered this one also.. you make a good point to a person that reads something into everything and that believes there is a hidden message behind everything on earth.. it could be that that is what Mel Gibson wanted to be portrayed in the movie.. maybe on a subconscious level.. but in the bible does it actually say that Jesus' right eye was "totally blinded"?? we all know movies are up to interpretation of the director.. but i dont recall any part of the BIBLE demonstrating Jesus having his right eye blinded.. maybe according to Mel Jesus was the idol shepherd, but that's not what the Bible says - and pls correct me if i am wrong

kAH said:

In the movie "PASSION" there is a scene where Jesus has a black eye from the beat down. The scripture that comes to mind illustrating this is - Zec 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword [shall be] upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened. Was the movie "PASSION" about the idol sheperd ?

[1dell]

This is exactly why some people shouldn't be allowed to have a bible of their own unless they have read it from cover to cover.

Listen, He we sent here to endure some things, to reset the order of some things and to undo some things. Where he was going was to square off with the kingdom of darkness face to face to provide a detour for souls and rechart the path back to the Father. If anyone needs me to scripturually explain this, I'll be moor than happy to do so.

AS far as he abandoning his flock that is not the case. Did he not say that He will send the comfortor to who shall forever abide with them? Ishua used a parable about a kernel of corn and how when it dies it turned into 7 ears worth of corn. The Mysticology behind this is Ishua himself was not ominopotent. He was the embodiment of Christness in totality. He like that corn when in death was able to multiply that Christness/HOLY SPIRIT/comforter to where it would inhabit his flock and guard and watch over them.

If you notice the holy spirit in the T'nakh would pass from person to person, for example with King Sha'ul the spirit of Messiah left him and then entered D'wed/David.

[1dell]

By the way Kah, you have to include ALL the scripture:

Zec 11:15 And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.

Zec 11:16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, [which] shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.

Zec 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword [shall be] upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

This sounds moor like Dr. York than Ishua. Did Ishua do any of that stuff in verse 16? Indeed not he did just the opposite.

Besides, if you noticed during the movie, that right eye didn't stay swollen, it actually opened back up.

Not to mention bro, you of all people like to look at the underlining meaning of things should know what the Rigth eye means. Ishua taught on this:

Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great [is] that darkness!

Now this shepherd you speak of has a right eye (right being the side of power) that is darkened. IN lieu of what Ishua just taught do you think that mean his eye would be on swoll? Or does that mean his eyes were not single. The eye is a matter of perception. Double eye = double mind. Nothing displeases the Most High moor than a double mind.

Jam 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

Jam 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

Jam 1:8 A double minded man [is] unstable in all his ways.

[kAHANyAH]

Well 1dell, what about this ...

Luke 17.22, And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

[kAHANyAH]

The propped up Jesus , the one the christian world follows. You know the corpse on the crucifix. Thats the one I am talking about.

courtney my understanding of scripture is both the word of christ and that of satan intertwine. It was prophesied the book would be written this way. The christian world is interpreting the words of the prince of this world [satan].

KITTEN said:

I have pondered this one also.. you make a good point to a person that reads something into everything and that believes there is a hidden message behind everything on earth.. it could be that that is what Mel Gibson wanted to be portrayed in the movie.. maybe on a subconscious level.. but in the bible does it actually say that Jesus' right eye was "totally blinded"?? we all know movies are up to interpretation of the director.. but i dont recall any part of the BIBLE demonstrating Jesus having his right eye blinded.. maybe according to Mel Jesus was the idol shepherd, but that's not what the Bible says - and pls correct me if i am wrong

[kAHANyAH]

Then 1dell, WHO IS THE FOOLISH SHEPHERD CAUSE HE WOULD BE EATING THE FLESH OF MANY. Do you think the christian world is following the real mccoy or the foolish shepherd ?

1dell said:

By the way Kah, you have to include ALL the scripture:

Zec 11:15 And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.

Zec 11:16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, [which] shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.

Zec 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword [shall be] upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

This sounds moor like Dr. York than Ishua. Did Ishua do any of that stuff in verse 16? Indeed not he did just the opposite.

Besides, if you noticed during the movie, that right eye didn't stay swollen, it actually opened back up.

Not to mention bro, you of all people like to look at the underlining meaning of things should know what the Rigth eye means. Ishua taught on this:

Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great [is] that darkness!

Now this shepherd you speak of has a right eye (right being the side of power) that is darkened. IN lieu of what Ishua just taught do you think that mean his eye would be on swoll? Or does that mean his eyes were not single. The eye is a matter of perception. Double eye = double mind. Nothing displeases the Most High moor than a double mind.

Jam 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

Jam 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

Jam 1:8 A double minded man [is] unstable in all his ways.

[1dell]

Yeah bro,

That is a good thing. LOL. That they see not the days of the Son of man. Keep reading bro, it' aint pretty:

Luk 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see [it].

Luk 17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after [them], nor follow [them].

Luk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one [part] under heaven, shineth unto the other [part] under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

Luk 17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.

Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.

They Disciples inquired often about what would the end be like, but Ishua was basically saying they would not see it because those days are reserved for transgressors and those whose deeds are evil. Just think back to how it was in the days of N'akh and Lot, please don't forget the convo that the Most High had with Abraham and No'akh. Remeber He made a way for those righteous brothers to get out of dodge so they didn't have to experience/see the "day" of IHaWaH.

kAH said:

Well 1dell, what about this ...

Luke 17.22, And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

[1dell]

Come on Kah, maign, do I gotsta take you with me to sunday school? It could very well be the Anti Messiah. Could very well be an entitie that incarnates whenever needed whereever needed.

kAH said:

Then 1dell, WHO IS THE FOOLISH SHEPHERD CAUSE HE WOULD BE EATING THE FLESH OF MANY. Do you think the christian world is following the real mccoy or the foolish shepherd ?

[1dell]

Hey bro, I can't tell you what I think here, this is the christian section. We have to keep it simple here, but we can carry this discussion to the Ysra'alism section and I'll be glad to tell you there.

kAH said:

Then 1dell, WHO IS THE FOOLISH SHEPHERD CAUSE HE WOULD BE EATING THE FLESH OF MANY. Do you think the christian world is following the real mccoy or the foolish shepherd ?

[kah]

This is my point 1dell. It seems Mel may have been guided by an unseen hand OR he is an illuminist depicting the FOOLISH SHEPHERD.

1dell said:

Come on Kah, maign, do I gotsta take you with me to sunday school? It could very well be the Anti Messiah. Could very well be an entitie that incarnates whenever needed whereever needed.

[1dell]

Dude, me, I think that was the best Jesus Movie ever made

Guest-kah said:

This is my point 1dell. It seems Mel may have been guided by an unseen hand OR he is an illuminist depicting the FOOLISH SHEPHERD.

[kAHANyAH]

1dell you gotta admit, the emphasis was more on the retributive aspect of God.

1dell said:

Dude, me, I think that was the best Jesus Movie ever made