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Post by DaSOULution on Mar 4, 2004 9:01:52 GMT -5
I can't say it was a bad thing...but what if i injured myself as i fell. After getting up i remember being very emotional, almost to the point of wanting to be made new and be blemish free. Eventually i came to the realization that i would slip up every now and then. Whose and what influence was i under. Me and two other members of my immediate family fell back. I remember prior to this happening wanting to experience this. Something powerful was at work. What exactly scientifically i cant tell you. Im sure Courtney you know what i speak of.  |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 4, 2004 9:09:11 GMT -5
yes i do know what you are talking about and it has happened to me too.. can't say it's good or bad right now.. but i will do some research and get back with ya on it  |
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Post by DaSOULution on Mar 4, 2004 9:13:49 GMT -5
sounds like a deal  Almost slipped my mind that many faiths use this method. Not trying to downplay the Christians version, but something is clearly at work. Now for evangelists such as Benny Hinn I dont know. In new age circles, its called Reiki. |
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Post by DaSOULution on Mar 4, 2004 9:19:38 GMT -5
One person who had an impact on me when i was trying to be a diligent Christian was Robert Tilton. Even though he's come under a lot of fire over the last several years for "money issues", he affected me like no other evangelist at the time. I used his 21 day "miracle plan for man" program, did the whole prayer cloth, annointed oil thing and used it faithfully. I dont really have anything negative on my behalf to say about this work.
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Post by DaSOULution on Mar 4, 2004 9:24:12 GMT -5
Watched the 700 club on tv. Pat Robertson and the other two christians used to pray and sometimes it seemed as if they were talking directly at me. So i did the whole placing the hand on the tv, expecting some sort of miracle. Good things used to happen! But I wasn't complete. I ran into some of the people who introduced me to Nuwaubu and I haven't looked back since.
On that note, I left Nuwaubu because of....never mind, I always yearned as a youngster for answers to questions that deemed an explanation, but never was to be found in the christian doctrine. Sometimes i wonder if it was even worth looking into the things that i know now. Kinda feel like if i was oblivious to my current knowledge...my life would've taken a turn for the better or worse.
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 4, 2004 10:11:46 GMT -5
(found this online)
Laying on of Hands
This procedure is used in several ordinances of the Church, and is performed for the bestowal of the gift and power of the Holy Ghost on or for the candidate or recipient (Acts 8:18-20). The hands of the minister(s) become the symbol for the bestowal of this Holy Spirit by God Himself. The hand has been a frequently used symbol in scripture for the power of God at work. (Luke 1:65; D&C 94:6) The candidate is usually seated, with the ministers standing behind him or her. In the case of the blessing of an infant, one minister holds the child while the spokesman lays on hands and gives a prayer of blessing. This procedure is used for Baptisms of the Spirit, Administrations to the Sick, Blessings of Infants, Ordinations of Minister, and Patriarchal Blessings to those seeking such. Although uniquely different, each of these ordinances calls forth a receiving of the Holy Spirit (or its benefits) for the candidate.
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 4, 2004 10:17:11 GMT -5
well nuwaubu preys on ppl that aren't sure of their faith or are in a weakened state..or that aren't well versed in the Bible.. i was in the same predicament as you, however it didnt take but reading one book for me to see thru the nuwauboo trash.. of course there are bits and small pieces of truth here and there in his books, however most of that truth he copied from someone else. I have told others that i dont catagorize myself as a christian because so many so called christians now adays dont act christ like.. I believe there is much to be gained from ALL religions.. (notice i said religions NOT cults).. I dont think that truth can only be found in christianity.. it can be found in a mulititude of places.. Watched the 700 club on tv. Pat Robertson and the other two christians used to pray and sometimes it seemed as if they were talking directly at me. So i did the whole placing the hand on the tv, expecting some sort of miracle. Good things used to happen! But I wasn't complete. I ran into some of the people who introduced me to Nuwaubu and I haven't looked back since. On that note, I left Nuwaubu because of....never mind, I always yearned as a youngster for answers to questions that deemed an explanation, but never was to be found in the christian doctrine. Sometimes i wonder if it was even worth looking into the things that i know now. Kinda feel like if i was oblivious to my current knowledge...my life would've taken a turn for the better or worse. |
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Post by DaSOULution on Mar 4, 2004 10:24:36 GMT -5
(found this online) Laying on of Hands This procedure is used in several ordinances of the Church, and is performed for the bestowal of the gift and power of the Holy Ghost on or for the candidate or recipient (Acts 8:18-20). The hands of the minister(s) become the symbol for the bestowal of this Holy Spirit by God Himself. The hand has been a frequently used symbol in scripture for the power of God at work. (Luke 1:65; D&C 94:6) The candidate is usually seated, with the ministers standing behind him or her. In the case of the blessing of an infant, one minister holds the child while the spokesman lays on hands and gives a prayer of blessing. This procedure is used for Baptisms of the Spirit, Administrations to the Sick, Blessings of Infants, Ordinations of Minister, and Patriarchal Blessings to those seeking such. Although uniquely different, each of these ordinances calls forth a receiving of the Holy Spirit (or its benefits) for the candidate. Thanks for that piece. I noticed three things present in the Christian doctrine when applying "laying of hands". This is from my point of view and what I've beared witness to scripture confirms this to a degree. What is needed as follows: 1. A degree of belief 2. Two or more gathered believers 3. Conviction when decreeing a thing |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 4, 2004 10:28:33 GMT -5
I think christ did somethign like that wit a centurion who came to get him - he laid on his hands and the centurion fell back.
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 4, 2004 10:39:37 GMT -5
actually it seems the belief is not needed.. look at this article: The Effect of the "Laying On of Hands" on Transplanted Breast Cancer in Mice William F. Bengston, St. Joseph's College, Patchogue, NY 11772 David Krinsley, 2216 NE Douglas Street, Newport, Oregon 97365 After witnessing numerous cases of cancer remission associated with a healer who used "laying on of hands" in New York, one of us (W.B.) "apprenticed" in techniques alleged to reproduce the healing effect. We obtained five experimental mice with mammary adenocarcinoma (code: H2712; host strain: C3H/HeJ; strain of origin: C3H/HeHu), which had a predicted 100% fatality between 14 and 27 days subsequent to injection. Bengston treated these mice for 1 hour per day for 1 month. The tumors developed a "blackened area," then they ulcerated, imploded, and closed, and the mice lived their normal life spans. Control mice sent to another city died within the predicted time frame. Three replications using skeptical volunteers (including D.K.) and laboratories at Queens College and St. Joseph's College produced an overall cure rate of 87.9% in 33 experimental mice. An additional informal test by Krinsley at Arizona State resulted in the same patterns. Histological studies indicated viable cancer cells through all stages of remission. Reinjections of cancer into the mice in remission in Arizona and New York did not take, suggesting a stimulated immunological response to the treatment. Our tentative conclusions: Belief in laying on of hands is not necessary in order to produce the effect; there is a stimulated immune response to treatment, which is reproducible and predictable; and the mice retain an immunity to the same cancer after remission. Future work should involve testing on various diseases and conventional immunological studies of treatment effects on experimental animals. Thanks for that piece. I noticed three things present in the Christian doctrine when applying "laying of hands". This is from my point of view and what I've beared witness to scripture confirms this to a degree. What is needed as follows: 1. A degree of belief 2. Two or more gathered believers 3. Conviction when decreeing a thing |
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Post by DaSOULution on Mar 4, 2004 14:08:01 GMT -5
I think christ did somethign like that wit a centurion who came to get him - he laid on his hands and the centurion fell back. Thats true Kah. I found several testament in the NEW testiment where people "fell" and "trembled". Akan |
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