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Post by 1dell on Feb 13, 2004 17:02:40 GMT -5
I am interested in hearing about everyone's exepriences with christianity. What you loved about it, what you hated about it, what you enjoyed, how did it help you, how did it harm you.
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Post by kAHANyAH on Feb 13, 2004 18:18:48 GMT -5
my personal experience with christianity (which was short lived) was one of rebellion. I was fresh outta ICUPK, a radical, racist hebrew movement. After leaving that school of thought I wanted to make amends for all the hate I had in my heart towards those different from me. Christianity afforded me this. I guess I went into that religion for the WRONG reasons. I mean I think it helped cause I did temper out alot the hate and jealousy against those racially different. But I lost interest because it was too lovy dovy for me - too docile. And plus, I've always been a deep thinker when it came to spirituality and christianity kina stagnated and stifled that.
Pretty much in a nutshell my experience with xtianity.
Peace.
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Feb 16, 2004 10:49:21 GMT -5
Well let's see.. I grew up in a Baptist church.. attended a few different churches.. one in particular- an apostolic pentacostal church.. one of the few churches that i actually felt UNWELCOME.. if you cut your hair or wore pants they made you feel unworthy and WERE NOT friendly.. my step mom at the time was really into the church and would hand out the pamphlets/programs at the door.. when the church found out that she cut her hair, wore pants, wore make-up etc.. they asked that she no longer hand this stuff out to the parishoners.. that hurt her beyond belief and we stopped attending the church.. after that I wandered around and didnt really have a church to call my own.. after becoming an adult I began attending a non-denominational church.. I loved it.. praise and worship was awesome and the preacher was a very good speaker.. told little funny stories to go along with the day's sermon.. I still felt as though i was missing something.. something was missing in the message i was receiving.. i came upon Nuwaupoo and not too much later discovered what a crock of bunk it was.. since I have been attending different churches and have not settled on anything in particular.. I whole-heartedly believe that there is much to be gained from all different religions and try to learn what i can.. i think it is still good to go to church- hear God's word and commune with other religious people- eventhough i have yet to find a church that i would want to call home.
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Post by 1dell on Feb 16, 2004 11:35:00 GMT -5
So from what you are saying, you never grew up in the church, going to sunday school and whatnot? That was your first experience with xtianity? Interesting. I know what you mean by that lovy dovy stuff. It would be cool if those people would stay like that when they left the church, but it's only in that building or when they are around other church members that they seem to be like that. I know exactly what you mean when you say they stifled your way of thinking. I could see if answers where given to satiate our couriosity, but I was just told, this or that was of the devil and to leave it alone. I asked one too many questions and then I was labeled the black sheep of the church and had my friends told by their parents or other friends, that I needed prayer and not to associate with me. lol punks! my personal experience with christianity (which was short lived) was one of rebellion. I was fresh outta ICUPK, a radical, racist hebrew movement. After leaving that school of thought I wanted to make amends for all the hate I had in my heart towards those different from me. Christianity afforded me this. I guess I went into that religion for the WRONG reasons. I mean I think it helped cause I did temper out alot the hate and jealousy against those racially different. But I lost interest because it was too lovy dovy for me - too docile. And plus, I've always been a deep thinker when it came to spirituality and christianity kina stagnated and stifled that. Pretty much in a nutshell my experience with xtianity. Peace. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Feb 16, 2004 11:46:48 GMT -5
I agree with 1dell, unfortunately too many people that claim to be christians only act as such under the roof of the church.. but in everyday life they are far from living a sanctified life. So from what you are saying, you never grew up in the church, going to sunday school and whatnot? That was your first experience with xtianity? Interesting. I know what you mean by that lovy dovy stuff. It would be cool if those people would stay like that when they left the church, but it's only in that building or when they are around other church members that they seem to be like that. I know exactly what you mean when you say they stifled your way of thinking. I could see if answers where given to satiate our couriosity, but I was just told, this or that was of the devil and to leave it alone. I asked one too many questions and then I was labeled the black sheep of the church and had my friends told by their parents or other friends, that I needed prayer and not to associate with me. lol punks! |
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Post by 1dell on Feb 16, 2004 12:30:08 GMT -5
I will be the first to tell anyone, not to judge a religion by it's worshippers, but then again that would be hypocritical. Because you should be able to tella tree by the fruit it bares. But there is also another measurement to judge the religion against, and that is the text that the worshippers are given. In this case the bible. The bible is in direct contradiction to the lifestyle that MANY MANY MANY christians live. I would love to go into that but not here, not now. So in essence, christians are not christians indeed. Because they do not hold similage to christ whatsoever. So there should be a different name given, because they are not christlike. Christianity should come up with a new name for it's neophytes so they do not taint and blemish the name Christian and when the neophyte ascends to christlikeness then and ONLY then should they be considered Christians. Christianity could be a beautiful thing and I think some christian groups like the Jehovah Witnesses do an EXCELLENT job of giving us hope. As for me, I'll give the Story of Deacon Wallace ina bit. I agree with 1dell, unfortunately too many people that claim to be christians only act as such under the roof of the church.. but in everyday life they are far from living a sanctified life. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Feb 16, 2004 12:39:39 GMT -5
Also, human beings are not perfect.. I have been asked before what do i think leads to personal salvation.. me personally- i try to be the best person i can be, live as close to christ-like as possible, and try not to hurt anyone.. I have my faults, as do everyone, and I couldn't be perfect if i tried.. I also dont catagorize myself as any one "thing" so i dont put myself in such a predicament.. I will be the first to tell anyone, not to judge a religion by it's worshippers, but then again that would be hypocritical. Because you should be able to tella tree by the fruit it bares. But there is also another measurement to judge the religion against, and that is the text that the worshippers are given. In this case the bible. The bible is in direct contradiction to the lifestyle that MANY MANY MANY christians live. I would love to go into that but not here, not now. So in essence, christians are not christians indeed. Because they do not hold similage to christ whatsoever. So there should be a different name given, because they are not christlike. Christianity should come up with a new name for it's neophytes so they do not taint and blemish the name Christian and when the neophyte ascends to christlikeness then and ONLY then should they be considered Christians. Christianity could be a beautiful thing and I think some christian groups like the Jehovah Witnesses do an EXCELLENT job of giving us hope. As for me, I'll give the Story of Deacon Wallace ina bit. |
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Post by Master-9 on Feb 16, 2004 12:45:30 GMT -5
Christianity could be a beautiful thing and I think some christian groups like the Jehovah Witnesses do an EXCELLENT job of giving us hope. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Feb 16, 2004 14:03:39 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong. I aint tryin to diss it and I am sure xtianity has its place but its not for me and I moved on. Peace. So from what you are saying, you never grew up in the church, going to sunday school and whatnot? That was your first experience with xtianity? Interesting. I know what you mean by that lovy dovy stuff. It would be cool if those people would stay like that when they left the church, but it's only in that building or when they are around other church members that they seem to be like that. I know exactly what you mean when you say they stifled your way of thinking. I could see if answers where given to satiate our couriosity, but I was just told, this or that was of the devil and to leave it alone. I asked one too many questions and then I was labeled the black sheep of the church and had my friends told by their parents or other friends, that I needed prayer and not to associate with me. lol punks! |
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Post by 1dell on Feb 16, 2004 14:22:55 GMT -5
Ok Good Ole Deacon Wallace: I grew up in church, I mean I was always shipped off to sunday school. Didn't have a problem with it at all. Love it in fact. I was blessed with a Sunday School teacher who could see my interest and would come back with answers to my many questions. I could tell that he liked me. I was prolly the only student who showed interest in the class. I can remember my Aunt being a devoteed christian when i was about 11 years old. I mean she went HARD on it. She would always wanna talk to me and teach me and share with me. But because my other aunts and my mother made fun of her behind her back I didn't take her too serious but she was sowing seeds in me that would later yield bountiful fruit. She would drag me and my cousin with her to her church events and things. And I really admired her pastor, he was a righteous man, a truly righteous man. I could just tell. But I liked my pastor too, he had a bush and glasses, was thin and carried his mouth like Fat Albert a lil bit. He had a gotee and I swear to this day if jesus was a black man, he looked just like this Pastor. He was pretty boring to listen to as a kid,but his mannerisms would fascinate me and just the outirght holiness about him. During high school, i pretty much was too occupied with my Prince Faze to be keepin up with God or the church, besides, They looked at me like hell spawn when I rolled up with my long hair, bang in front of my right eye and goth black trenchcoat. I was only about being with people who accepted me. take a peek:  Then I went into the Marine Corp and to make a long story short, i spend 8 short months in Saudi Arabia and got heavily into the new age out there. I read the bible all the way thru but didn't understand a dayum thing but it's all good because all things that enter the brain remain, we just need to learn how to recall it and I did...later. I also had some Navajo penpals out there that would send me stuff and we would rap about their religion and stuff. Got back on from the war and went bezerk on trying to catch up on all my wild oats sowing, that was a good thing because it led me right back to Christianity. It got to the point where I got tired of fast ass women and wanted to settle down with just one woman for the rest of my days. Heck I was only 21 at the time. So i went huntin for churches. At the recommendation of this christian book store I like down the street from in california, I visited this one church. Was terribly turned off because of it's store front appearance but after I went in the place. my life was changed for ever. I was thoroughly impressed with the Pastor who was delivering the message, he wasn't impersonating James brown like so many other preachers do. He was level headed, down to earth and had us flipping thru the bible like it was the yellow pages. I mean I loved it!!! we were ACTUALLY USING the bible!!!! That was new to me, at least in church. I had to take notes. They called people up for prayer, I went of course and I gave my life to Christ one mo' 'gin. From then on I decided to stop cussing and some mo stuff. I was loving life things were just clicking and I was in the rhythm of nature and life like I have never experienced. to make a long story short, I had to come back to Maryland a couple of years later. I tried to find a church home like the one I left and couldn't. So I settled for one down the street from my grandmother's house. It was one of them small churhes with about 40 members, if that. I soon became deacon of that church along with 6 other brethren. I really didn't fit in because I had already knew moor than the pastor did and the leadership felt threatened by me. My concepts were something new to them. It wasn't long after that that Illuminopolis was created. Then I met my first nuwaubian and things changed after that. After I was assaulted by that same nuwaubian I vowed to see and end to that organization. He at the time asked me questions that I could not answer, but me being strong in my faith just went home and studied to answer him instead of throwing in my christian towel like so many others have done and what he was expecting me to do. But something funny happened. In answering his questions, I also answered some of my own. And soon realized that I had graduated from christianity. There was not a church in the nation that could give me drink for what I was thirsty for. I had fellowshipped with JWs-they were limited, Seventh day adventists-they were limited, hebrew israelites-they were limited, Messianic Jews-they were limited. All the years I spent as an apologist for Christianity, it got to the point where i could no longer defend Christianity from it's enemies without compromising the truth. I could no longer defend Jesus as being God, I could no longer Defend the switch of the sabbath day to Sunday. I did so for years, but for years I was wrong. When I opened my eyes and heart to the truth. Those things were falsehoods allowed and incorporated. I soon became and advocate for the Bible, not christianity. Because 2 are not the same. Thats pretty much it. Now I am just 1dell, the Illuminopolite, and I am most proud of that name. But according to faith I am a B'rit M'HaB'rit Khadash (Hebrew of the New Covenant) |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Feb 16, 2004 14:33:06 GMT -5
B'rit M'HaB'rit Khadash (Hebrew of the New Covenant)
could you tell us what that is about.. in summary if possible?
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Post by kAHANyAH on Feb 16, 2004 14:40:53 GMT -5
<========== now this the god damn! 1dell wanna be prince retro 80s shizzle!!! I be knowing!! ;D |
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Post by SatiyaH on Feb 16, 2004 14:45:14 GMT -5
This deacon of a Baptist Church tried to drown me!  Oh wait, he was trying to wash away my sins!  He made me: Wade in the water Wade in the water Wade in the water God's gonna trouble the water If you don't believe I've been redeemed God's gonna trouble the water I want you to follow him on down to Jordan stream (I said) My God's gonna trouble the water You know chilly water is dark and cold (I know my) God's gonna trouble the water You know it chills my body but not my soul (I said my) God's gonna trouble the water (Come on let's) wade in the water Wade in the water (children) Wade in the water God's gonna trouble the water Now if you should get there before I do (I know) God's gonna trouble the water Tell all my friends that I'm comin' too (I know) God's gonna trouble the water Sometimes I'm up lord and sometimes I'm down (You know my) God's gonna trouble the water Sometimes I'm level to the ground God's gonna trouble the water (I Know) God's gonna trouble the water Wade in the water (children) Wade out in the water (children) God's gonna trouble the water ___________ Actually, my experience with Christianity has been thru "Black Baptist's". The first church I ever went to was when I was 4 years old "Good Faith Baptist Chuuch" (LOL) I went every Sunday with my godmother (HATED IT) I had to wear this frilly dresses with these patton leather shoes  I stopped going when I was around 12. I was never baptised.  Around 16 or so I let some Jehovah's Wittnesses in the house (kids should always listen to their parents and never let strangers in) Someone should have told me they are like vampires--once you welcome them in, they feel they have free reign to constanstly come back. I swear they were stalking me! I listened to them off and on for a few months reading their books--never once daring to go to a Kingdom Hall meeting---I pictured them in some black robes and shit drinking blood!  At age 18--I was in school and sat next to this muslim guy who wore all white and had this book called "Where is the Tabernacle of the Most High". I read it--asked him for more books. I soon read Revelations, The Paleman, Purity and Neatness, The Book of Laam. (All Authored by Imaam Isa) I came to a few classes. I joined a couple months later (comical story I won't share on here--but it involves a few Ansaars who absolutely refused to watch and 'amorite' bear witness to Allah) I learned to make Salat, learned alot of conversational Arabic and oddly enough I learned more about Christianity than I ever learned in all the years of bible school as a child! I would debate with local reverands who thought they could catch me up on Islaamic stuff, lol. They tried to belittle me for wearing a veil and concealing my body. They called it sexist. I would show them where the women in the old testamens wore veils etc. They hated it. I showed them dietary laws in the bible, and they said they follow new testament--I said ok, show me where it says to eat ham on Easter...matter of fact, I'll take my veil off now if you show me Easter in the bible! I was viscious!  Ok--but enough about me. I'm nobody, who are you? |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Feb 16, 2004 14:49:05 GMT -5
I had to wear this frilly dresses with these patton leather shoes <--- LOL!!!!!!!!! ;D. I could picture you looking like Laura Ingles from little house on the prairie!! HAHAHAHAAH LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by 1dell on Feb 16, 2004 14:56:08 GMT -5
OOps, typo, it's actually Ibry M'HaB'rit Khadash Hebrew of the New Covenant. I am one who blends the doctrines of the T'nakh (the Old testament scriptures) with the B'rit Khadash (the New testament writings) I also embrace the extra biblical writings of the apocropha and pseudiagrapha. I do not salebrate the Holidays of this nation, No xmas, no easter, no halloween, no valentines day, st patricks, day, the tooth fairy day, etc. The only days that are holy to me are those that IHaWaH, have made holy, those can be found in the bible, and I also do Khanukah. I keep Torah as best as I can here in this country, because Torah was given to us as a people to live in the land of Canaan with a Levitical priesthood in place. And since I have neither, I keep what I can. I believe in a man's ability to have moor than one wife. I believe in the Messiah Ishua ben Miryam as the word of IHaWaH in flesh to tread the path of Immortality for mankind. I do no beleive that Jesus is God, if he is, there is moor than one God then and that I don't have a problem with believing I believe that there is some truth in all religions and that God isn't really against all religions. Just those that descend from the seed of the serpent. Oh brother! that'll take some explaining. Basically in keepin it short, I believe in whatEVER The bible is teaching. I don't add or subtract a thing. As far as being perfect. I say that we can be if thats what we aim to be. The problem is we are told constantly that we can't be perfect, well the Most High would have never commanded that of us if it were not possible. I remember him saying as he watched the builders of the Capital city of Babel "They are one and whatever they set there hearts to do will not be withheld from them..." Feel free to ask me any questions, because I am in the process of writing down the doctrine of the Ibry M'HaB'rit Khadash, since I am it's only member, I need to have my stuff on paper and written down B'rit M'HaB'rit Khadash (Hebrew of the New Covenant) could you tell us what that is about.. in summary if possible? |
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