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Post by CoUrTnEy on Feb 13, 2004 15:51:04 GMT -5
I also checked out Lev 16.. and it doesn't actually SAY what happened to Simon.. so seems like that part is left up to interpretation..
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Post by Ralph on Feb 13, 2004 15:55:02 GMT -5
courtney the entire life of Christ is based on the law. And if we are to assume the jews followed the law and jesus himself was a jew then there must have been a scapegoat. The jewish law of sacrifice requires this. two sa'iyrs [goats] to cast lot upon. The lot that fell upon the scape goat falls upon Azazel. And alot of people make this mistake.... they think Azazel is sacrificed/crucified. The scapegoat is not the one slaughtered. If you look at the word scapegoat you can see its also ESCAPEGOAT. Azazel the scapegoat was to flee into the wilderness. He was spared. The other goat upon whose head lot of Yahovah falls upon, he would be SACRIFICED. ref., LEV 16 chp. Good reference. Also read Judges Chapter 11
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Post by 1dell on Feb 13, 2004 15:58:07 GMT -5
Exactly Courtney!! Please don't let them confuse you with fables and tales. Reuben started it by talking about Bar Jesus. Supposedly the son of Jesus and Mary Magdelene. That is a rumor!!! There is a rumor that was written that Jesus never went to the cross but someone else went for him and he lived a secret life with Mary Magdelene and had like 100 children and died in India where his grave is said to be. In a word---HOG WASH!!!! well, 2 words. Please don't let them confuse you, If I could I would lock each and every illuminopolite from this forum because all they are gonna do is some here and bring confusion. Kahanyah/Psonic is trying to explain Reuben's reasoning but you are right it doesn't make sense because that only applies to the sacrifice of Yom Kippur and that is done in September NOT march/april!!! This was before Pesach/Passover and there is no scapegoat for passover. Only on the day of Atonement. And you are right, The Jews thought they were convicting a Criminal not an offering to the Most High another arguement against Simon being the scapegoat is that this law we are talking about was for atoning for sin and the jews were crucifying Jesus for breaking the law- they weren't having him atone for anything.. also.. another thing is that at this time they did not "sacrifice" people.. this was only for animals.. I am not saying i know any of this for sure.. this is just info that was presented to me and i would love a 2nd opinion.
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Feb 13, 2004 16:27:03 GMT -5
I remember something in one of York's books talking about how it supposedly says in the Book of Barnabus that God made Judas look like Jesus and when the people came to take Jesus to be crucified it was actually Judas who was taken (because he looked like Jesus to them) and that Jesus escaped after taking the gardener's clothes and putting them on.. yes it does get confusing to people like me (and other people im sure) that dont know the bible backwards and forwards and dont know the Jewish law.. all i have is taking someone's word for it. Exactly Courtney!! Please don't let them confuse you with fables and tales. Reuben started it by talking about Bar Jesus. Supposedly the son of Jesus and Mary Magdelene. That is a rumor!!! There is a rumor that was written that Jesus never went to the cross but someone else went for him and he lived a secret life with Mary Magdelene and had like 100 children and died in India where his grave is said to be. In a word---HOG WASH!!!! well, 2 words. Please don't let them confuse you, If I could I would lock each and every illuminopolite from this forum because all they are gonna do is some here and bring confusion. Kahanyah/Psonic is trying to explain Reuben's reasoning but you are right it doesn't make sense because that only applies to the sacrifice of Yom Kippur and that is done in September NOT march/april!!! This was before Pesach/Passover and there is no scapegoat for passover. Only on the day of Atonement. And you are right, The Jews thought they were convicting a Criminal not an offering to the Most High
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Post by 1dell on Feb 13, 2004 16:34:41 GMT -5
exactly, thats why we don't need all those other voices right now. All they do is confuse especially if all they are going to do is supply nothing but rumors
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