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Post by kgod999 on May 23, 2004 16:31:52 GMT -5
About a month and a half ago i made this comment in a thread and feel like its important enought to discuss on its own, and that is this. A large part of the reality of life deals with perception. Example, if Richard Pryor runs down the street butt naked, he would get laughter (if hes not on fire). If i ran down the street butt naked, they would be calling for the straight jackets and psycho doctors. Now, again, the mistake that York made and nuwabians, and i know some people dont like to admit that York can make mistakes, is he RAN FROM Sovereignty by saying he didnt commit the alleged crimes. That gave the jury a perspective of a abusive cult leader. What he should have done is say, its my right as the chief of this tribe to follow our culture, including how we raise our children, marry, reproduce, etc. Now, im not saying whether he was right or wrong, im saying that Nuwabians who claimed he was their chief shouldve been up there with him saying its his right as their chief that they gave him to do whatever he did. Truth is truth, they knew and got sidetracked by man's law coming against York. I am NOT for messing with kids and shit, but if YOrk was given the blessings to reproduce like he did and they (other Nuwabians) knew, then they couldve have changed the perspective of the trail from a abusive cult leader to that of a TRIBE of people practicing self autonomy ( like the nuwabian constitution says). Then the issue would have not been whether YOrk did this, the issue would have been doesnt the government have jurisdiction to tell a sovereign tribe what to do and bring in the real law (the torah).
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Post by shamgod777 on May 23, 2004 17:23:34 GMT -5
You don't get it Homeboy. Indian Chief or not you can't get permission to touch little boy's and girls. It's just not right. And also the Nuwaubians are NOT a Sovereign NATION and are not recognized by Joe Schmo. That Constitution that York came up with is just as good as the toliet tissue to wipe my ass with. Go ahead and ask a government official if the nuwaubian group is a legit Native American group. That man is from Roxbury Mass., and got all of yall fooled. WAKE UP About a month and a half ago i made this comment in a thread and feel like its important enought to discuss on its own, and that is this. A large part of the reality of life deals with perception. Example, if Richard Pryor runs down the street butt naked, he would get laughter (if hes not on fire). If i ran down the street butt naked, they would be calling for the straight jackets and psycho doctors. Now, again, the mistake that York made and nuwabians, and i know some people dont like to admit that York can make mistakes, is he RAN FROM Sovereignty by saying he didnt commit the alleged crimes. That gave the jury a perspective of a abusive cult leader. What he should have done is say, its my right as the chief of this tribe to follow our culture, including how we raise our children, marry, reproduce, etc. Now, im not saying whether he was right or wrong, im saying that Nuwabians who claimed he was their chief shouldve been up there with him saying its his right as their chief that they gave him to do whatever he did. Truth is truth, they knew and got sidetracked by man's law coming against York. I am NOT for messing with kids and shit, but if YOrk was given the blessings to reproduce like he did and they (other Nuwabians) knew, then they couldve have changed the perspective of the trail from a abusive cult leader to that of a TRIBE of people practicing self autonomy ( like the nuwabian constitution says). Then the issue would have not been whether YOrk did this, the issue would have been doesnt the government have jurisdiction to tell a sovereign tribe what to do and bring in the real law (the torah). |
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Post by kgod999 on May 23, 2004 18:15:50 GMT -5
most times i ignore shit from people who show they have no intelligence, but im not gonna let you slide. First off, a thinking person would know my post wasnt about whether YOrk was right or wrong, thus my comment stating so, but lets keep this real. They dont give a fuck whether York messed with kids or not, its about a black man, a man, their system period. Even if york woas white they wouldve tripped because he was going against their system, so, the women he upset used that against him, happens everyday in the hood and suburbs, a woman doesnt get her way and calls the folks, even if she was down with the shit all along. Whats crazy is some of yall out their got grandmas and granddaddys who were married and fucking well below the age of 18 and having babies, stop the OBVIOUS rhetoric. Fuck it, some of yall mothers and fathers fucking well below 18 and some of you too. Now, again, let me repeat, i DO NOT CONDONE messing witH KIDS. You simpleton, it was all about addressing Sovereignty, they have the nerve to show tribes on discovery channel in the jungles of the world fucking and marrying as teenagers and show you the culture, but if you do it here, its a crime. Thats the sovereign point i was making. Then to really show your ignorance, you stated that the government has to recognize your sovereignty. You dont need to state anything else because that one statement shows your ignorance to the fact that a person is born SOVEREIGN over the government. Fuck what Bush, the united nations, or whoever says about sovereignty, if you are alive, you are sovereign, how they gonna overrule the Creator? And you have the nerve to state that I dont get it?
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Post by SatiyaH on May 23, 2004 20:23:40 GMT -5
Kgod999, whether or not York proclaimed sovereignty, there are still laws and regulations that govern tribal sovereignty. You must acknowledge limitation that are inheriant within the powers of a tribial council. Constitution states that it is the U.S congress who has 'plenary power' of Indian commerce. For the crimes York was charged and convicted of fall under the Major Crimes Act. What is all this about, and who has legal jurisidiction over York and the subject.
The sovereign status of federally recognized Indian tribes preclude most states from exercising criminal jurisdiction in Indian Country over Indian persons. Jurisdiction resides with the tribes themselves on a limited basis, or with the federal government. Federal criminal jurisdiction in Indian Country is derived from the Federal Criminal Code, Title 18, USC 1152 (Indian Country Crimes Act) and Title 18, USC 1153 (Major Crimes Act). FBI responsibility and jurisdiction for the investigation of federal violations in Indian Country under the Indian Country Crimes Act or Major Crimes Act is statutorily derived from Title 28 USC Section 533, pursuant to which the FBI was given investigative responsibility by the Attorney General. The resources allocated by the FBI to various locations throughout the country are based on a number of factors, to include: identified crimes problems; jurisdictional responsibilities; and the availability of non-FBI investigative resources.
The FBI has established the following priorities in Indian Country in an effort to ensure that the most egregious and violent criminal acts receive priority attention by investigative personnel:
1) Homicide/Death
2) Child Sexual/Physical Abuse
3) Violent Felony Assault
4) Drugs and Gangs
5) Corruption/Fraud Against the Government/Theft of Tribal Funds
6) Gaming Violations
7) Property Crimes
I hope that this will correct any misunderstanding you may have had as far as Jurisidiction over York and the Yamassee Moors of the Creek Nation (UNNM). Sovereignty does not make anyone immune to justice. Without the ability to enforce Yamassee Moor constitution with force than, I have to agree with the brother it's worthless you could just as well use it as toilet paper.
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Post by SatiyaH on May 23, 2004 20:31:46 GMT -5
Kgod999, You nor anybody else was born sovereign. For every child that is born is dependant upon someone or something. Not to ridicule in anyway what you said, no individual within a sovereign tribe, is sovereign. Inotherwords, individual forfeits all rights and priveledges over to the tribes council. Please don't buy what I'm saying, look it up!
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Post by 1dell on May 24, 2004 5:24:06 GMT -5
I for one feel what you are saying Kgod. York's verdict would be no different I don't think but as far as him being able to strengthen the Nuwaubian resolve globally, It may have bee better for him to be Nuwaubically honorable rather than litigally strategic. let me rephrase that. It would have looked better before the nuwaubians and the world for him to play the sovereign "this is our culture" instead of employing some legal strategy plead gambit.
In MY own eyes, he would have my respect moor for saying "According to our culture and the culture of the Hebrews/Arabs/Mexicans and others a girl becomes a woman at age 12/13/15. and it is by this culture that we adhere"
Now don't get me wrong I aint down for NO ONE just missing a 12/13/15 year old's body for their own sexual purposes. But if I have 2 men standing before me who have molested a child and one pleads guilty while the other pleads culture. I would respect the one pleading culture moor. Not saying he would have much respect from me. But with crime sometimes it's all about motive.
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Post by SatiyaH on May 24, 2004 8:27:25 GMT -5
I for one feel what you are saying Kgod. York's verdict would be no different I don't think but as far as him being able to strengthen the Nuwaubian resolve globally, It may have bee better for him to be Nuwaubically honorable rather than litigally strategic. let me rephrase that. It would have looked better before the nuwaubians and the world for him to play the sovereign "this is our culture" instead of employing some legal strategy plead gambit. In MY own eyes, he would have my respect moor for saying "According to our culture and the culture of the Hebrews/Arabs/Mexicans and others a girl becomes a woman at age 12/13/15. and it is by this culture that we adhere" Now don't get me wrong I aint down for NO ONE just missing a 12/13/15 year old's body for their own sexual purposes. But if I have 2 men standing before me who have molested a child and one pleads guilty while the other pleads culture. I would respect the one pleading culture moor. Not saying he would have much respect from me. But with crime sometimes it's all about motive. Well, York had the chance to take the stand in his own defense and he chose not to. At his sentencing hearing, he did blurt out about a video Habiba made. The situation is although that may be his "culture", he also taught to follow the laws of the land where you live--his land was not a sovreign nation, thus he was to abide by the laws of the state of Georgia which state that a child under the age of 16 is not able to give consent to sex. He could have very well married any "one" of those girls, with parental permission. He did not. Now, as far as the cultural issue: Those girls were called "muminaati", or faithful girls. They were the "first fruit" of the Ansaars, and they were supposed to stay virgins and marry the "muminuwn" the faithful boys in a proper ceremony reserved for virgins. They were then to give birth to the 144,000 righteous ones. Instead, York watched those girls mature into cultural women (age 12, 13 etc), and instead of giving them the honor of a marriage, which culturally is reserved "only" to virgins--he took their virginity and had them bare bastard children, which according to Hebraic law : Deuteronomy 23:2-3: "A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD: even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD." |
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Post by shamgod777 on May 24, 2004 8:48:58 GMT -5
Thank You Satiyah for placing on the board the legall statues on the web-board pertaining to Sovereignty. You see you have people like Kgod that take info on face value. You can tell him that a space ship is coming to pick Nuwaubians up on June 1st and he would be the 1st dude there. And when the ship doesn't come down. York will tell him Will Kkgad you messed up-you wipes your ass with the wrong hand come back in 5 years. He doesn't get it. Only Nations can be Sovereign not de-facto social groups Kgod999, You nor anybody else was born sovereign. For every child that is born is dependant upon someone or something. Not to ridicule in anyway what you said, no individual within a sovereign tribe, is sovereign. Inotherwords, individual forfeits all rights and priveledges over to the tribes council. Please don't buy what I'm saying, look it up! |
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Post by GTOM on May 24, 2004 17:59:00 GMT -5
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Post by Ralph on May 24, 2004 18:32:09 GMT -5
Kgod999, whether or not York proclaimed sovereignty, there are still laws and regulations that govern tribal sovereignty. You must acknowledge limitation that are inheriant within the powers of a tribial council. Constitution states that it is the U.S congress who has 'plenary power' of Indian commerce. For the crimes York was charged and convicted of fall under the Major Crimes Act. What is all this about, and who has legal jurisidiction over York and the subject. The sovereign status of federally recognized Indian tribes preclude most states from exercising criminal jurisdiction in Indian Country over Indian persons. Jurisdiction resides with the tribes themselves on a limited basis, or with the federal government. Federal criminal jurisdiction in Indian Country is derived from the Federal Criminal Code, Title 18, USC 1152 (Indian Country Crimes Act) and Title 18, USC 1153 (Major Crimes Act). FBI responsibility and jurisdiction for the investigation of federal violations in Indian Country under the Indian Country Crimes Act or Major Crimes Act is statutorily derived from Title 28 USC Section 533, pursuant to which the FBI was given investigative responsibility by the Attorney General. The resources allocated by the FBI to various locations throughout the country are based on a number of factors, to include: identified crimes problems; jurisdictional responsibilities; and the availability of non-FBI investigative resources. The FBI has established the following priorities in Indian Country in an effort to ensure that the most egregious and violent criminal acts receive priority attention by investigative personnel: 1) Homicide/Death 2) Child Sexual/Physical Abuse 3) Violent Felony Assault 4) Drugs and Gangs 5) Corruption/Fraud Against the Government/Theft of Tribal Funds 6) Gaming Violations 7) Property Crimes I hope that this will correct any misunderstanding you may have had as far as Jurisidiction over York and the Yamassee Moors of the Creek Nation (UNNM). Sovereignty does not make anyone immune to justice. Without the ability to enforce Yamassee Moor constitution with force than, I have to agree with the brother it's worthless you could just as well use it as toilet paper. Satiyah, He aint sovereign due to paying taxes on that land. The Nuwaubian GL, the Al-Mahdi Shrine are all businesses under Georgia law. As a matter of fact, they are "non-complient", meaning they are behind on their taxes and may end up operating as illegal business. Someone aint doing the books right.... |
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Post by Master-9 on May 24, 2004 18:44:12 GMT -5
Why are you all in our bizz-ness sir?  Like P-diddy said: "We aint going no where, we can't be stopped!!!" "Aint no stopping us now, we on the move" |
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Post by GTOM on May 24, 2004 18:50:29 GMT -5
And Like P-Diddy said when he was having sex with those little boys "Take Dat, Take Dat. Take Dat" oh wait thats Dr York. LOL Why are you all in our bizz-ness sir? Like P-diddy said: "We aint going no where, we can't be stopped!!!" "Aint no stopping us now, we on the move" |
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Post by Ralph on May 24, 2004 21:58:45 GMT -5
Why are you all in our bizz-ness sir? " Part of my research,plus it is public business. Masonic Grand lodges are not for profit..... |
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Post by kgod999 on May 25, 2004 2:33:10 GMT -5
1Dell, you overstand where im coming from. Where YOrk really messed up is he playing all kinds of different cards and was hoping one of them would stick. He hired a dream team, claimed sovereignty at the same time and anyone with overstanding of sovereignty knows you cannot hire a attorney and claim sovereignty. Shamgod, your name applies. YOu stated that a nation has sovereignty. At least Satiyah looks up stuff before she comments. Shamgod, look up Chisholm vs Georgia in which the Supreme Court stated that a citizen is Sovereign OVER the state. Shamgod, we are really blessed that the courts have admittted that a person is born Sovereign, its up to you to protect that. How can a fiction (government) overrule a nonfiction (flesh and blood man)? Satiyah and all you law professors, thats rule number uno one in this game. Look, under their fictional system, at last count they have over 60 million codes, statutes, ordinances, rules and regulations for you to abide by and suppose to know. Satiyah, you can quote all the man made laws that applies to fictions all you want to, but the courts have admitted that governments have no jurisdiction over nonfictions, thus its up to you to bring real law into the court. Now, the one thing i agree with you with Satiyah is YOrk even broke real law by not marrying those girls, thus he has no leg to stand on anywhich way he turns. GTO, good post about the marriage stuff.
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Post by SatiyaH on May 25, 2004 7:42:49 GMT -5
Kgod999 writes, "How can a fiction (government) overrule a nonfiction (flesh and blood man)?"
Simply issue that non-fiction person a fictious number (social security card and/or birth certificate). Kgod999, your argument of sovereignty is lessen by the fact you overlook that it's THE PEOPLE (Sovereign) who gave over particular rights to this government. So that this government could have the power it does, however, the constitution was created to limit the power of our government over The People.
When you get to the 14th admendment of the Constitution, it no longer refers to "We the People" as Citizens, but as with the lower case "c" for citizens, that is to say second class citizen, who is an asset, and belong to the Government subjection. People everday, voluntarily give up certain inalienable rights for US Citizenship so they can also reap the benefits of governmental services.
How does this apply to York and his criminal trial?
When York claimed to be "indigeous" at the same time claiming to be Native American (Indian), he went against what the Empress Verdiacee urged those proclaiming sovereignty in her book "Return of the Ancient Ones", not to claim to be Indian, it's a trap. Actually she is right about that, insomuch as Indians are ward's of the federal government. As long as Indians remain to be dependant upon government funding and services they will never truly be autonomous.
How do we know that is what York was doing?
Because he, himself wrote a letter of intent to the BIA who responded with a numbered letter acknowledging they received it. Yet he failed to petition the B.I.A. (Bureau of Indian Affairs) whose a part of Department of Interior, part of our Federal Government. He was begging the government to be Federally Recongized Sovereign tribe to partake of it's finances and services.
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