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Arent the Defenders known as Ghazzi (Defenders in Arabic)?

Master-9 said:

Ralph,

I didn't call him a FreeMason, I called him a Shriner(Son of the Desrt), He has his black Fez, Jallabiya, and red sash in his closet.

All shriners are not FreeMasons! In this country they have a watered down version of Shrinery through 13 Master Masons lead by:


Walter Fleming

and

William Florence

You can read about their made up stories here:
www.shrinershq.org/shrine/shorthistory.html

[Ralph]

Master-9 said:

Ralph,

I didn't call him a FreeMason, I called him a Shriner(Son of the Desrt), He has his black Fez, Jallabiya, and red sash in his closet.

All shriners are not FreeMasons! In this country they have a watered down version of Shrinery through 13 Master Masons lead by:


Walter Fleming

and

William Florence

You can read about their made up stories here:
www.shrinershq.org/shrine/shorthistory.html

Carter,
This says Al-Mahdi on this Nuwaubians Fez:

What the hell is the difference beween the two?

Are you saying that the brother above me is not a Mason? It says Al-Mahdi on his fez correct? You say he is a "Son of the Desert?"


Looks like the Shriners to me. How do you know what he has in his closet? York stated that he went to Egypt, but we all know the truth. I thought he became a shriner in a temple in Georgia??

[Master-9]

Ralph said:

Carter,
This says Al-Mahdi on this Nuwaubians Fez:

What the hell is the difference beween the two?

Are you saying that the brother above me is not a Mason? It says Al-Mahdi on his fez correct? You say he is a "Son of the Desert?"


Looks like the Shriners to me. How do you know what he has in his closet? York stated that he went to Egypt, but we all know the truth. I thought he became a shriner in a temple in Georgia??

[Master-9]

Ralph said:

Carter,
This says Al-Mahdi on this Nuwaubians Fez:

What the hell is the difference beween the two?

Are you saying that the brother above me is not a Mason? It says Al-Mahdi on his fez correct? You say he is a "Son of the Desert?"


Looks like the Shriners to me. How do you know what he has in his closet? York stated that he went to Egypt, but we all know the truth. I thought he became a shriner in a temple in Georgia??

I can't see the pictures...and I don't want to discuss anymore information dealing with Freemasonry. I'm taking my time right now, obsorbing the true light that Dr. Malachi Z. York-El is sending to our Lodges

Peace

[Ralph]

Master-9 said:

I can't see the pictures...and I don't want to discuss anymore information dealing with Freemasonry. I'm taking my time right now, obsorbing the true light that Dr. Malachi Z. York-El is sending to our Lodges

Peace

Sounds like a "GAG" order to me. From the three jurisdictions that I belonged to, once in jail, you face masonic consequences:
mastermason.info/education/files/artoct02/foundations_of_masonic_law.htm
That is why I say the Nuwaubians are not Masons. They have no masonic law structure set up....

[Ralph]

This was on UNNM yesterday. I finally got someone to respond, but I know that they will probably put this in there book with a twist....
"Wow, Finally an answer, let me respond to all of your questioning. As I have stated before I come in peace, but if I need to take it to another notch, I have no problem or issue with that. Let me answer your questions:
These are the things that you question concerning the Freemasonic History & Lineage of Dr. Malachi Z. York. I give you a chance to defend your case by scrutinizing & explaining for us the problems point by point in detail with his Biography. Also the Nuwaubian grand Lodge is not AF & AM but rather "International". Further are you fluent in the classical Arabic of the Quraan? Are you reading from a translation? Is your Quraan of the Persian Script? the Kufil, Mail? THe Quraan was revealed in the dialect of the Quraisg tribe & then brought into the Kufic after the original copies were ordered burned. There is no original quraan. There are only copies & once the Quraan was taken and brought nto the persian script & vowel points & dots were added it became waered down & lost its original meaning, the chapters are in the wrong order, 3 surah were lost (Paternal Uncle, Pace & Nurain) & the code of the quraan #19 became unimportant to those who wanted to control the trade of Mecca.
$$$ York did basically the same thing that King James did. No authority to change what was written in the Qu'ran. Now if I take a copy to the local mosque here, what would they say? You may impress some with w recruiting tool concerning the Qu'ran, but he had no authority to add his flavor. A christian revising the Qu'ran? That does not sit well with many Muslims... It does not matter if I am fluent or not in Arabic. I do not use it in my studies nor at my job. if I do plan to travel back to the middle east, maybe, but not at this time. Good way to keep the money in the circle...$$$
Now you will trace your Shrine history back to Kalif Alee & if you are talking about the nephew & Son in law of the Prophet Muhammed then you will have to trace your blood line & lineage & sactioning back to As Spayed Al Hussein father of As Spayed Yacub , son of As Sayyid Ali, and Fatima daughter of as Sayyid Muhammad, and Nabi.
$$$The PH Shrine was basically set up so that the African american would have an appreciation for Islam. Like in the other houses in Masonry, there are Judaic allegories and Christian overtones so that one would have an appreciation for all religions that were the mainstay in the middle east. I see that you have put word for word an intro from one of York's books, but that is fine...$$$

And if it is not this Ali then it is the nephew of Muslayimat who was Kalif Alee $$$So the allegory states... Many of the PH Temples use Moorish names(the name of some PH temples are Moorish. Mine is Golconda in newark) Part of the process in becoming a shriner is to do the research on all the names of the shrine temple and give the meaning of the names;therefore putting our shriners into the mindset of doing the research...$$$


1) Imperial Grand Potentate (Internationally
Al Mahdi Temple No. 19. ILL.
$$$So only 19 temples? Where are the others located? What states? How many in each desert or oasis? Is his position an elected position?$$$$



2) (A.E.O. & N.M.S.) The Ancient Egiptian( note the spelling) Order & Nobles of the Mystic Shrine, Northern & Southern Jurisdiction,
$$$ The spelling is noted so that one cannot be possibly taken to court. The "and" is stuck in there due to what happened in 1929. Where are the temples in the north? How many overseas?$$$$

3) Grand Master of Nuwaubian Grand Lodge (A.F. & A.M.) Ancient Free & Accepted Masons Inc. Ramses II Mir No.9.
$$$$ What is so ancient about the Nuwaupian GL that they call them selves AF&AM? Now that he is incarcerated, will the GL have elections? Or is there a "pro-tem" grand Master? Why Number 9? You number your GL?$$$$



4) Scottish Rite Freemason of Amos Grand Lodge of Macon, Ga.
$$$ Now he is a member of two GLs? Scottish Rite and not a member of a consistory? Or a Supreme council?$$$$



5) Deputy Grand Master of Pride of Georgia Lodge A.F. & A.M.
$$ Pride of Georgia Grand Lodge? Cannot be a Deputy GM of lodge,typo?
initiated in 1970 at Masonic, King Solomon Lodge No.4 1215 Bedford Ave. Brooklyn New York.
$$$I wrote to the Grand secretary of this grand Lodge, and no such lodge was on record. Especially with the designated number of 4 in 1970. When was he passed and raised?$$$$



6) pasted at Enoch Grand Lodge on Putnam and Nostrand Ave. in Brooklyn
$$$ Should have been passed and raised in the lodge above. not the grand Lodge.$$$$



7) raised at the same under Worshipful Master Charles Tensely 33rd degree.
$$ Checked with the Grand Secretary at the same grand Lodge. He stated that there was no such person. What happpened to the acronym PHA? For some reason you left that off. There are no PHA Grand lodges located in Brooklyn...$$$



crossed at Mecca II Desert Georgia, oasis Macon by Noble T.W. Smith Jr. 33rd/95 degrees
$$$$$ I thought he got his degrees from Egypt?$$$$



9) family on my Mothers side were all Shriners and Daughters of Isis out of Richmond Virginia Zen Court No.98 Newport News Virginia and Zen temple No.122.
$$$$That is Zem temple in Hampton. From Richmond to Hampton is an hour drive. Also Mocha Temple No. 7 is in Richmond...$$$


10) visited the shrine in Fez, Morrocco, Maghrib Temple
$$$ There is no shrine temple in Fes. Freemasonry in Morocco took a leave of absence until 1999:http://users.libero.it/fjit.bvg/layiktez1.html$$$$



11) as well as the Grand Temple in Khartoum where I was given documents, which will be on the web page chartering and linking us to the International Supreme Council Of Worldwide Shrinedom.
$$$ I await for someone to post that charter. The Sudan has been unstable for years. The Government would not have permitted that . In order to be a shriner, one has to be a 32nd degree or a Knights templar.$$$$$



12) family affiliation with Boston and Prince Hall.
$$ With Massachusetts?$$$



13) Things like Arabic Nobles of the Mystic Shrine in Arabic speaking countries. At the shrine it translate Arab Nobles of the Mystic Shrine the passwords are wrong as a result of Europeans receiving them in manuscripts from individuals who themselves were not Arabs.
$$ Nothing different than York purchasing rituals and reprinting them for his organization, or getting info from Mike Turner to refine things.$$$$



14) Rizk Allah Hassaan Effendee was a Turk and did not speak fluent Arabic.
$$$The Arabic script was generally used by all Turkic peoples writing Turkic languages until the early 1920s, when the Latin script began to be introduced to the Turkic peoples of the Soviet Union.$$$$



15) . Louis Marracci did not speak fluent Arabic and never translated the Arabic Quran. He was Italian and translated from Castilian Spanish of Spain to Latin.
$$$ Not true. He was fluent in Latin and made a bad translation of the Qu'ran. What about George Sale and 1734? You forgot to mention him,,,$$



16) Shaykh Alnasafi was a Persian; his native language was Farsi.

$$$ Everyone knows that many persians speak farsi..$$$

17) Albert L. Lawson an American, was not fluent in Arabic.
$$$ What does Lawson have to do with York and his starting of a shrine temple?$$$



1 Bro. Jones claimed to have received on June 1893 sanctioned from Noble Ali Rifest Pasha who name Pasha alone reveals that he was not an Arab but rather a Turk.
$$$ Guess you have not read the history book on the shrine by Joe Walkes? Could have been a caucasian shriner who gave Jones the ritual....$$$



*19) All of the above were not sanctioned by the (As Spayed) the blood line of the family we have and used in our temple translations from the Arabic which was brought back from the Egyptian temples and Shrines who got them from well preserved tents in the gold casket of As Spayed Al Hussein father of As Spayed Yacub , son of As Sayyid Ali, and Fatima daughter of as Sayyid Muhammad, and Nabi (P.B.U.H.).
$$$ All of this may make an impression on some, but Masonry, and manyother secret societies have been expelled out of Egypt. tell me how one "smuggles: gold caskets out of Egypt?$$$$


20) The Masonic Lodge does not have its origin in Britian but in Babylon with Nimrod.
$$$$ Secret Societies have been in Africa for quite sometime. masonic lodges? A great romantic fantasy. Ever heard of the Poro?$$$



21) Many people have been misled by a group of men called the Alberts.
$$$$ Albert Pike and Albert Mackey? Though they are dispised by some, credit must be given to those who have made contributions to freemasonry. I bet that somewhere in the Nuwaupian GL someone is reading mackey's Book of Jurisprudence. If there are those who are truly tryin to improve themselves in masonry, they are reading Pike also. When was the last time you checked out all Eyes on Egipt's web page? There are some books that they are selling on there that reference the Albert's. Now are you telling me that members of the Nuwaupian GL are being mislead?$$$



22)I like many accepted what you are calling European Freemasonry from Britain however, after entering Lodges in Egypt and Morocco, and the Grand Temple in Saudi Arabia I found that most if not all Freemasons in America haven't a clue of what real Shrinedom is
$$$$ No such lodges exist in the countries to which you refer, with the exception of Morocco. The royal family would not have a masonic lodge in their midst. Some PH masons join the shrine for other reasons, but there are some who come to it to learn about other religions....$$$$$

[SatiyaH]

If I might add to that Ralph, knowledge and wisdom taught to me by my husband and personal minister, Derrick Hodge. It was him that informed me after his thorough study of their Holy Tablets which States Noble Ali Pasha, as being no other than Master Fard Muhammad (German Mother/Turkish Father). If you are familiar with communist history, then you will see the Islaamic & Marxism Connection spreading through Shrinedom, then it's eventually how it infiltrated into Black Movements. Your correspondance with whoever this nuwaubian brother is, he constantly mentioning TURKS in the negative. Yet , it's Nuwaubian Shrinedom that uses names like Mufti (Turkish) and Divan (Persian). His same groups proclaims to have authority derived from Sufi Turks called Khalwatiya order. Khalwatiya order regards its founder to be 'Umar al-Khalwati (d. 800/1397) and traces itself back to Abu Najib Suhrawardi (d. 563/1168) founder of the Suhrawardiya order. If not all sufi orders document a claim to have a direct (link) 'Silsilah' through nephew Ali of Nabi Muhammad. None of them are legit, but to tie one's 'mythical' Silsilah to Nabi Muhammad, is very important, for it acts as a charter for that order to conduct itself. By tracing it's authority as to have originated from the Sovereign God, ALLAH.

[Master-9]

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[SatiyaH]

Please correct it if it is wrong.

[Master-9]

SatiyaH said:

Please correct it if it is wrong.

I was speaking to Bro. Ralph....that I will be off, I can not discuss any Masonic discourse right now for reasons I will can not reveal, but please continue your dialog, it sounds interresting.

[SatiyaH]

Let me state this for the record on behalf of my husband who told me as much as he could. That Masonic history of it's origins is are nonetheless mythological and full of allegory.

[Ralph]

SatiyaH said:

Let me state this for the record on behalf of my husband who told me as much as he could. That Masonic history of it's origins is are nonetheless mythological and full of allegory.

Yes and no....
The ritual is full of allegories(Hebrew), but there is proof that Masonry was around before 1717 s we know it today. Good discourse for those that can hang. Now is not a good time to be off, but a good time to crave if you do not know......