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Post by theman on Jan 25, 2004 19:44:49 GMT -5
That is my question. Let me start off saying I have been a reader of his books since 1989. I havce never lived on the land, hell I have never been to Tama-re, truth be told. I visited the sullivan county property and I was always up in the hall of knowledge but never had the opportunity to get to GA. For me reading of the books have been a very positive experience. So were the people on the land not reading the same material? I have had the opportunity to speak to several of the victims and parents of the victims. From some of them, it was said that the experience wasn't all bad. Hell from some of the testimonies, they encourage each other not to leave. Now looking from the outside (my point of view of things) everythiong seem peachy cream. 400+ acres of land. undisputable doctrine( or so we thought). Looking at the magazines and newspapers they were releasing, everyone looked like they were doing well. Hell more than well from the look of things.
But oh how look can be deceiving. Now we have all these reports about how poor the living conditions were. how fucked up it was to be there. A living nightmare. So why didn't anyone complain then and why didn't they leave? How long do you live in fucked up conditions based upon "sacrificing for the children". and according to everyone, the children were also suffering so what were u sacrificing for? Now all of these people he was fucking, kids and adults and everyone is toleratring it. How he used to get several woman pregnant at one time and people would accept it.
Then there are the children, who knew what was being done to them was wrong. Did they still look to him as the Master Teacher, the mujadid, the man of this day and time. The LAmb of Allah. If so why? If not then why not rebel or leave sooner? the sisters were plagarizing books and assisting in fooling people into make people think this man was something he really wasn't. This abuse went on for years and not one child said anything. why? I asked sincerely not as if i am accusing anyone. And where were ther fathers of these kids? What parent would allow their kids to visit a grown ass man in the middle of the night, I don;t give a damn who he is? Aren't the parents as guilty as he is for allowing all of this to happenbn right under their nose?
And Habiba who was a lead witness in the investigation, wasn't she one of Yorks main women? When did she discover that what she was doing was wrong? Did she apologize for her role in all of this? She sound like a Paul. If you remember Paul he persecuted the church then all of a sudden he bacame the 13th self apointed apostle of Jesus. Well she help York molest these children and then she testified against him, under immunity at that.WHy seek immunity, wasn;t she a victim also? Or do they not see it like that? Nicole is another in the same boat. Did she not know what was going on with her sister and brother? Shouldn't she should have protected them? Didn't the young timid 16-year old final victim vow that for her ytouynger sister who York was eyeing at the time.
Just a few thought of mine on everything that has unfolded.
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jan 25, 2004 19:51:23 GMT -5
Maybe the spell of Kingu  , they were all under it. I mean, even nuwaubu aint exempt from the casting of that spell. |
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Post by theman on Jan 25, 2004 21:37:08 GMT -5
Damn what a spell? So when was the spell broken and how? I wanna know.
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Post by Knowledge1 on Jan 27, 2004 16:28:07 GMT -5
You asked if the people on the land were reading the same material. NO, they WEREN'T! For those of you that don't know, there is a different "secret" version of the doctrine that you have to be "inner circle" or "special" or "chosen" to recieve. Even in some of the mail-order AEO books, York explains that how the Anunnqi (elders) enjoyed having sex with small girls (pre-puberty like age 5). People who lived on the land are a completely different breed of Nuwaubian that the person who reads books and adopts rituals in their life to help give themselves and their children a sense of pride. k1
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Post by Nubian Ninjah on Jan 27, 2004 16:54:52 GMT -5
stuupid is as stupid doesezzzes  on da lan or c...ina sky........what saves yo asz ilz da question why........... |
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Post by ELTRUTH on Jan 28, 2004 0:36:30 GMT -5
its something you would never know unless you have been there, adn yes there are differnt levels of 'doctirne" if u will. there was inner circles and outer cirlces. and if these children who grew up and being taught to worship this man, that its an honor to be in his presecne that you have to sacrifice etc, and also told by him you are a misfit, u will never be anything without him, your ugly , etc etc. on TOP of that you live in a box- u watch the tv he puts on and read only the doctrine books, u are not reading books to say this or that is wrong. and he pulled them out of the school in time enough not to have guidence counsler and deand worried. people brought up in broken households dont see that as abnomral becasue that is all they are used to. if you havent talked to habiba or nicole or any of them how can you asume their motive or reasoning behind what they did in the past versus what they did in the present. and yes it is a spell- you think doc is breaking the spell but he really is putting u into a deaper one.and he pushes you to the limit and then pushes you some more, he eases things on you untill you are a totaly different person than yourself, you cant think for yourself beacsue you have been so penialzed for doing so, you call it being loyal when you are being less of a god. he teaches being individual but the truth is the closer you get to him, the less and less of your won person you are and you are forced to be.
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Post by ELTRUTH on Jan 28, 2004 0:39:39 GMT -5
as for how he did it- alot of it is group sex, and sex more than once a day his thing is qauntity not quality. he had a drink he would take very night of ginseng and the gator-aid. it was knowon habit that after he had sex with a person or group that someone went to get a wash cloth and a glass of genseng and gator aid for him- 2 bottles fo ginseng per glass of gator aid, he would rest and do it again- he nick-named himself the 'robot man'
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Post by SatiyaH on Jan 28, 2004 8:35:31 GMT -5
as for how he did it- alot of it is group sex, and sex more than once a day his thing is qauntity not quality. he had a drink he would take very night of ginseng and the gator-aid. it was knowon habit that after he had sex with a person or group that someone went to get a wash cloth and a glass of genseng and gator aid for him- 2 bottles fo ginseng per glass of gator aid, he would rest and do it again- he nick-named himself the 'robot man'  eww at the washcloth--no he didn't just "wash up"--didn't he know, with all that knowlede, all he did was smear it around? |
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Post by Master-9 on Jan 28, 2004 23:00:02 GMT -5
ELTRUTH, sounds like you was there...  |
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Post by ELTRUTH on Jan 29, 2004 8:03:09 GMT -5
and if i was....
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Post by Nubian Ninjah on Jan 29, 2004 8:23:12 GMT -5
u wish u was there huh ms. 9?
u so fuckin stupid.......robotgirl
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Post by theman on Jan 30, 2004 21:16:26 GMT -5
its something you would never know unless you have been there
U are absolutely correct about that, because as a father I would never let anyone seperate me and my child not even his mother. Being that I was never in his immediate presence I don't know if it was an honor or not. It is real fuck up what happen to the kids and the families that sacrificed their life for his mission, but why is everyone dissing him now? Satiya said She heard Habiba call him a "functioning illiterate", well being the mother of his child what does that make her? and I have spoken to Habiba and she said he said to her he was the devil. So how long did she know he was the devil before reacting?
He pulled kids out of school and no parents questioned this? Oh I forgot he said school is a play on the hebrew word shoel which menas hell. but wait he went to school according to bio. So was school only for him and not for others? Now everyone wants to call him a fag. well they found a calendar with 86 children from 45 different mothers. That sound like a pimp and a whore. and that was back in 89 when i first started reading. I never received the "inner doctrine" and ffrom the sound of things I should be thankful. Buyt my question is is he the only one responsible? What about the other adults? Wehn do we really take responsibility?
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Post by theman on Jan 30, 2004 21:54:01 GMT -5
Also they say that the sisters wrote the books, well then are the sisters as well versed in the doctrine as him. Can they recite verses from the scripture like he can, can they teach the way he can?
Yeah ELTRUTH u were there, u have too many details about things to not have been there. and since u were there, why didn't you tell anyone? were u scared, intimidated, or did you enjoy what was going on?
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Post by ELTRUTH on Feb 3, 2004 23:09:42 GMT -5
in your post u stated u started reading in 1989- by that time there wasnt as stong apull for people to move in the community as there had been in the 70 and early 80's were it was a MUST to move in before the gates closed, so people did what they bthought they had to- people thought they were sacrificing- it seems to me u are going alot based on hearsay than actual facts- the facts are that IF YOUR wanted to know the truth for YOURSELF- u could have gone to brunswick YOURSELF and heard for YOURSELF the prosecutors show PROOF that there were MANY complaints and REQUEST to improve the living conditions, and many request for simple toiletries. there were people who got up there and said they complained to him how he was treating people and what was going on- and many of the girls /boys/ banaats / sisters who DIDNT go along with what he said was threatened and even FORCED in many instances. one girl said how he threatened to KILL her - she wasnt the only one he threatend - just the only one to ADMIT it. the children gave NUMEROUSE accounts how they was cohherced NOT to leave or what would happen if they did, and they were cut off from regular family memembers and lived there lifes as if that was all they had. the same way if u READ articles about children brought up in ABUSIVE households they dont KNOW any better they get used to the abuse- so before passing judgements on people do research on simular cases of abuse, starvation, manipulation, mind control, rape, child molestation (ESPECIALLY IN CHURCHES AND SUCH PLACES) u will SEE the same outcome. this is not the first set of kids to grow and and speak of abuse. it wont be the last - unfortuantly. if a child is being taught to have sex from 5 years old - and told to not tell anyone becasue it was a good secret- how is she or he sopposed to know its wrong if people are not thinking to tell them and teach tem about abuse beacsue people think the kids are SAFE? i know u are trying to get a certain 'POINT' accross, but maybe do some research first. and stop being so one track minded. even though u claim to be 'honestly seeking the truth' anyone in their right mind can hear the vitriol in your heart! |
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Post by imaangel on Mar 1, 2004 15:56:04 GMT -5
Family,
Air Freshener - Please! Swoosh
This message is for ALL true Nuwaubians. Creeps and knuckleheads need not respond. Don't fall for the gutter talk. Enemies congregate on this site with one single mission to discuss Maku. They hope to bait you in and attack. Allow them to discuss it amongst themselves. Don't swim in their filth. They think that character bashing and attacking Nuwaubians will assist them in their mission. They are fools.
We teach TRUTH and that is the bottom line. If you must speak up, defend and set the record straight. I see some us are doing just that. Stick to the facts. Don't discuss our Maku with low lifers. Beat 'em down with the facts. All they have is anger and contempt, which means they speak nonsense.
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