York Trial

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Illuminatus said:

www.onlineathens.com/stories/010804/new_20040108036.shtml

"The attorney, Adrian Patrick, asked her about inconsistencies between what she told the FBI and what she said in court. She had previously said she first had sex with York in his trailer, although under oath Wednesday she said the incident happened at his home.
''I wasn't lying intentionally. They were asking me a lot of questions ... it was a mistake,'' she said. She said Wednesday she was sure that the incident happened in the home."

I hop they expose all their lies

[Master-9]

Posted on Thu, Jan. 08, 2004
York accuser admits inconsistencies in statements
By Wayne Crenshaw
Telegraph Staff Writer


BRUNSWICK - A woman who said cult leader Malachi York molested her for several years admitted under cross-examination Wednesday that some details of her testimony were inconsistent with previous statements.

The 18-year-old woman, however, stuck by her story that York engaged in repeated sex acts with her from the time she was 8.

Also Wednesday, the woman's older sister testified that as a young teenager, she was filmed nude by one of York's female followers who recruited and groomed her to have sex with York.

Lead defense attorney Adrian Patrick showed the 18-year-old witness transcripts of her testimony to a grand jury and a statement to FBI investigators in which she admitted some details were different. For instance, she testified on direct examination Tuesday that the first time she had vaginal sex with York was in a trailer at the cult's compound in Putnam County, but she told the grand jury and FBI investigators that the incident happened in York's house.

"I must have mistakenly said 'trailer' instead of 'house,' " she said.

Also, Patrick showed her a report from an examination a year ago at a children's hospital in New York after the FBI began investigating the allegations. The report indicated that she told the doctor York had vaginal sex with her when she was 8. She testified Tuesday that she was 13 when that happened.

She disputed the accuracy of the hospital report.

"That's not what I said," she testified.

She also said she must have "lied by accident" when she told the grand jury she had no money when she left York's group in 2001. She testified Tuesday that she had $300.

But a nationally known expert in child molestation testified later in the day that child molestation victims usually give inaccurate, mistaken or incomplete information because of fear and embarrassment about the events.

"Their answers are related to the reality of being a compliant victim and society's inability to deal with it," said retired FBI agent Kenneth Lanning, who now consults on child molestation cases across the country. "The kids feel guilty because they didn't say 'no.' " Lanning is known for developing a profiling system of child molesters, whom he classifies as either "situational offenders" or "preferential offenders."

Though he did not refer to York and said he has little knowledge of the case, his description of a preferential offender fit the image of York the prosecution is attempting to portray. Lanning described such an offender as intelligent, methodical and able to get away with molestation offenses for many years with many different children. They often seduce children gradually and use older victims to recruit younger victims. Such offenders also gravitate to occupations where they could have authority over children.

Also Wednesday, a pediatrician and child abuse expert who examined the woman said she found scarring and tissue loss that were consistent with repeated sexual molestation.

The last witness of the day was the 18-year-old's sister, who is now 28. U.S. District Court Judge Ashley Royal told the jury she was not testifying as a victim as related to the charges against York, but as a corroborating witness.

She testified that while the group, known as Nuwaubians, were in Brooklyn in New York City, York began to lure her into a sexual relationship through a 20-year-old woman she referred to as Nathada. Nathada, she said, starting telling her at age 13 that girls should be taught sex by males in "the family."

"She did ask me would I mind if (York) taught me different things about sex," she said.

Nathada later demonstrated oral sex techniques on a sex toy, and then asked if she was "ready for the real thing," the witness said. She said she "chickened out" but later did perform oral sex on York. She also said the older woman made a video of her in the nude, which the woman told her she gave to York, then later told her "he liked it."

At about that point, Royal halted court for the day. The woman's testimony will continue this morning.

The woman's statement about how she was gradually lured into sex with York also is consistent with her sister's testimony. The younger sister testified that a 15-year-old girl approached her when she was 8 with the suggestion that she have sex with York.

Juanita Tomlinson, a former employee of Wal-Mart in Milledgeville, testified that York came to the jewelry department with a girl who appeared to be 12 to 14 years old and bought her a diamond ring. She said he later returned with another girl, about the same age, and also bought her a diamond ring.

The 18-year-old had testified that York bought diamond rings for girls who had sex with him.

But under cross-examination Tomlinson said the two girls could have been York's daughters.

York, 58, is facing 13 counts of child molestation and racketeering charges.

York and his followers moved from New York to Putnam County in 1993 to a 476-acre farm, where they erected numerous Egyptian-style structures. York has claimed to be Muslim, Christian, American Indian and from another planet.

Wednesday, the 28-year-old witness said that in her early years in York's group, he claimed to be the angel Michael and that he was 76 trillion years old. She also said he claimed to have 19 different personalities.

His trial, which is expected to last three weeks, was moved from Macon to Brunswick because of pretrial publicity.

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[kAHANyAH]

Prosecution case aint lookin too good. Prosecution witness has inconsistent accounts. INCONSISTENCIES is a NO NO when you testify. Puts your testimony in doubt in the minds of jurors.

NOT LOOKING good , not lookin good at all .

It makes you wonder if the Prosecution questioned their witnesses thoroughly before puttin them on the stand.

Illuminatus said:

www.onlineathens.com/stories/010804/new_20040108036.shtml

"The attorney, Adrian Patrick, asked her about inconsistencies between what she told the FBI and what she said in court. She had previously said she first had sex with York in his trailer, although under oath Wednesday she said the incident happened at his home.
''I wasn't lying intentionally. They were asking me a lot of questions ... it was a mistake,'' she said. She said Wednesday she was sure that the incident happened in the home."

[ankhenaten2]

Wednesday, the 28-year-old witness said that in her early years in York's group, he claimed to be the angel Michael and that he was 76 trillion years old. She also said he claimed to have 19 different personalities


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[SatiyaH]

kAHANyAH said:

Prosecution case aint lookin too good. Prosecution witness has inconsistent accounts. INCONSISTENCIES is a NO NO when you testify. Puts your testimony in doubt in the minds of jurors.

NOT LOOKING good , not lookin good at all .

It makes you wonder if the Prosecution questioned their witnesses thoroughly before puttin them on the stand.

Have no doubt the prosecution has their stuff together. Inconsistancies are normal in child molestation cases. You are taking what the girl initially told the FBI--when anxiety was high, it was the first time she spoke out about it, then compare that with her feeling relieved after finally letting this out, having time to sort thru---she is recounting something that happend 10 years ago!
Tell me what you did 10 years ago--specific detail. The point isn't the intimitate details, but rather the essense of what occured--whether in a trailer or his house first. See read it again--the defense is picking apart the story of when it FIRST happend--she may not clearly recall if at 8 years old it happend first time in his house or in his trailer.
Also--read again--The woman's statement about how she was gradually lured into sex with York also is consistent with her sister's testimony.

And this is a great point here:
"Their answers are related to the reality of being a compliant victim and society's inability to deal with it."

You are taking a person who is now a woman, who has to deal with the fact that as a girl she was having sexual relations with a man. She did not realized from 8 to 15 it was WRONG. She is adjusting to the fact that she complied for 7 years. That she didn't fight or refuse. The she was perhaps even eager to please him! Perhaps that after she began to sexually mature it began to feel good---she is carrying all of that with her and the defense can only nit-pick dates, times, rooms.? Some defense! That is the whole key. York never DENIED these events. His defense has been this:
"I'm a native american, i should be tried by my people. I am sovereign. I was under duress during my plea." When has he made even the vaguest effort to tell his people--I didn't do this crazy shit!" He only points the finger at his OWN son...well then, he must have known his son was doing it.

[ADHAM]

SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THAT ANY CHILD CAN ACCUSE A MAN OR WOMAN OF CHILD MOLESTATION, AND THEIR INCONSISTENT TESTIMONIES WILL BE OVER LOOKED. THAT'S BULLSHIT!

[kAHANyAH]

SatiyaH, dont get me wrong. I am not saying the man is innocent nor am I saying he's guilty. But come on now, you've got to admit, to go by the word of a "few" witnesses whose testimony have discrepancies ? I DONT think anyone should be convicted on that [mere words] alone. GOD FORBID if one of the children I drive to school accused me of that!!! So in that sense (accusation alone) I can see the defense side of it.

There has GOTTA be more SatiyaH then the word of 2 or 3 kids. There has Gotta be more like videos or love-letters, phone calls ... or something. If this man is convicted on the word of a few kids alone then in the minds of MANY neutral non-nuwaubians the trial was NOT FAIR.

[SatiyaH]

ADHAM said:

SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THAT ANY CHILD CAN ACCUSE A MAN OR WOMAN OF CHILD MOLESTATION, AND THEIR INCONSISTENT TESTIMONIES WILL BE OVER LOOKED. THAT'S BULLSHIT!

That's what you got out of that whole paragraph?

This woman was on the stand over 3 hours, and the only discrepancy they found in her testimony was a minor inconsistancy with whether the abuse began in a house or a trailer.

"I must have mistakenly said 'trailer' instead of 'house,' " she said.


The defense isn't arguing whether or not it happend, but whether it began in a trailer or a house.

If she stated 1 year ago that it began in a house, then takes the stand and say trailer--that doesn't mean shit. She was consistant with everything else. Tell me what color the sheets were on the bed the first time you fucked a girl! Did you have 1 pillow or two? Did it last 5 minutes or 10? That's the shit they are trying to stick her on. She tells about baby oil, sho' nuff there were photos taken of baby oil on the shelves--don't mean much, but it is consistant considering those photos were taken nearly a year after she left the compound!


You mentioned 9 year olds consenting to sex. That isn't consent, that is abuse.
--a pediatrician and child abuse expert who examined the woman said she found scarring and tissue loss that were consistent with repeated sexual molestation.

A developed woman, ready and willing to have sex does not get scarring and tissue loss. Do you realize this means this woman may never be able to bear children?


From the article:---The report indicated that she told the doctor York had vaginal sex with her when she was 8. She testified Tuesday that she was 13 when that happened.

She disputed the accuracy of the hospital report.

Do you have kids? Have you taken the to a Doctor ever? Have you ever read their hospital report? You should---Doctors can be quite inconsistant with detail, especially with ages-
I have a son who had his tonsils removed when he was 4. If you read thru his hospital records, physician notes will say "T&A at age 3." "Mother indicated tonsils removed at 6." My youngest daughter was born via cesarean section---yet on her pediatric record it says "full term vaginal deliver". I corrected her pediatrician.
These are Doctors notes that they take while listening to your story. She told the doctor oral sex began at 8--while listening to the story, the doctor takes notes--later the secretary or MA will copy notes for records.
This is only day 4 of a trial expected to last 3 weeks. There have only been 3 vitim/wittnesses at this point. Still to come is Isa, Kathy Johnson's son who was repeatedly sodomized by York beginning at the age of 4, only for York to call him a faggot.
Still to come is Kathy Johnson herself, who MUST testify against York because her Alford Plea stated she knew York was committing crimes but she did nothing nor reported it.
Khadijah Merrit must testify against York as well, as must Chandra Lampkin and Esther Cole.
The prosecution is calling the wittnesses in the order they want them to be heard

[SatiyaH]

Federal prosecutor Stephanie Thacker said the children - who were between ages 5 and 15 - were rewarded with gold bracelets, diamonds, candy, and trips to restaurants outside the compound for having sex with him.

"I came giving you what you want so you would want what I have to give."

After all these years, now I know what he was talking about!

[JayMack]

The article said But a nationally known expert in child molestation testified later in the day that child molestation victims usually give inaccurate, mistaken or incomplete information because of fear and embarrassment about the events.

"Their answers are related to the reality of being a compliant victim and society's inability to deal with it," said retired FBI agent Kenneth Lanning, who now consults on child molestation cases across the country. "The kids feel guilty because they didn't say 'no.' " Lanning is known for developing a profiling system of child molesters, whom he classifies as either "situational offenders" or "preferential offenders."

Though he did not refer to York and said he has little knowledge of the case, his description of a preferential offender fit the image of York the prosecution is attempting to portray. Lanning described such an offender as intelligent, methodical and able to get away with molestation offenses for many years with many different children. They often seduce children gradually and use older victims to recruit younger victims. Such offenders also gravitate to occupations where they could have authority over children.

Also Wednesday, a pediatrician and child abuse expert who examined the woman said she found scarring and tissue loss that were consistent with repeated sexual molestation.

This is normal , and also its a fact is has scars in her vagina.

[SatiyaH]

Day four of the child sex and racketeering trial of Nuwaubian leader Malachi York brought more testimony from one of his alleged victims. Macon Telegraph reporter Wayne Crenshaw is monitoring the trial in Brunswick. He says a 28-year old woman took the stand Thursday and told jurors she began having sex with York when she was 14. She also said she had sex with a 13-year old boy in front of York when she was just 16. The witness said she recruited other young children for York; at the time, she didn't think it was wrong.

[Master-9]

SEX SEX SEX
666

The number of a man

The pale beast mark is sex death & ________

[ADHAM]

SATIYAH IS BIASED AGAINST YORK, AND CAN NOT OBSERVE THE TRIAL OBJECTIVELY. WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SIT ON JURY BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO DAMN EMOTIONAL, AND 90% OF THEM HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED IN THE PAST. THEREFORE, THEY HOLD ALL MEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ABUSE THEY HAD TO ENDURE. I'M NOT A YORK SUPPORTER, BUT I KNOW BULLSHIT WHEN I SEE IT!

[SatiyaH]

ADHAM said:

SATIYAH IS BIASED AGAINST YORK, AND CAN NOT OBSERVE THE TRIAL OBJECTIVELY. WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SIT ON JURY BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO DAMN EMOTIONAL, AND 90% OF THEM HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED IN THE PAST. THEREFORE, THEY HOLD ALL MEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ABUSE THEY HAD TO ENDURE. I'M NOT A YORK SUPPORTER, BUT I KNOW BULLSHIT WHEN I SEE IT!

My issues with York started before his arrest...it began with falacies within the doctrine. After his arrest, I began a search on my own for facts. I spoke with Sherrif Sill via phone and got his email addy. I emailed Rob Peecher and several other journalists because those articles you read come from pages of notes...often they leave out what they think is irrelevant information,however to people who have a link with the Nuwaubians either pro- or con it's very relevant.
Where do you get 90% of women have been sexually abused in the past? Did you make that number up, or can you give me a link to a proven statistical article. If you threw that number off the top of you head because it sounded good and supported your underlying issue, then it renders you totally full of shit.
What's your angle? Has some little girl falsely accused you of fondling her or something because you seem very passionate about this portion of the topic.

On the other end of things, false accusations do occur. That is why we rely upon experts in the field to help determine the symptoms of abuse. These children who left Tamare were abused in more ways than one. The older girls recieved High School Diplomas via mail order. They will tell you they did not complete the coursework. They had their "Graduation" on the stage of Tamare.
York created a hairstyle called the "ninti braid" whereas a woman or teen girls would shave off all her hair minus a thin braid on her right side near her ear. I met women from Tamare who cried the first time their hair was shaved. Keep in mind however, the women with "good hair" such as Khadijah Merrit or Nin Sacajawea-El kept their hair long.
These teen girls will tell you how they were ridiculed by the uninformed public and stared at when they went out to restaurants or Wal-Mart.

[SatiyaH]

This is hilarious:

Today's Macon Telegraph-
""He would tell us once we leave the grounds, there is some hexagon that lights up around the planet and lets the demons know to attack us," she said. "

www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/7666902.htm