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Post by Ralph on Jan 16, 2004 17:16:10 GMT -5
Bro. Nar, Thank you for the warm welcome. Reading your statement: "The square and the compass with the G superimposed inside the crux of this sacred symbol, in what is now called Freemasonry, goes back to the sacred Denderah Zodiac (Zodok) at the temple of Hat-Hort and back to the ancient Kache Maia (olmec) representation of the mathematical universe, in which the Ancient Americans (i.e. Maya and Aztecs) called Hunab Ku, the sacred measurement (space) and movement (time)." The letter "G" did not come into play within Freemasonry(english language) until 1730. With Pritchard's expose, that is the first mention of the letter "G". The language of the Olmecs was called Mende. Highly unlikable that they used the word God or geometry since their language predated Ancient Hebrew and also other ancient languages. The letter G was not seen in the US until the mid 1800s. I can see if the Yod was used or the all seeing eye, but the symbol of Pythagoras(we all know that is not his theory) with the letter G in the middle tells me that this picture is not ancient. Prime example is when you go to other countries, the letter G is not in the middle of the SQ and Compass. You may find the letter D in some countries due to some calling God "Deo". The countries that I have visited, I was given lapel pins with no letter in between the Sq and Compass. That picture is not ancient. It is more modified for those of us who speak english. How can the Mayans, Aztecs,and Incas be "ancient americans" if the european coined the term "america"? Now the true formula for "MC2 is: expression (E) = mc2 the rest energy of an object of rest mass m. In motion, the object's total energy is a sum of its rest energy and its kinetic energy. That is E = [(p2c2) + m2c4]1/2 It seems a coincedence that that equals to N-U-W-A-U-P-U. I liken that to the term 3-4-5, which is the numbers that all who measure angles hold up high. If you look at Matthew 7:7 all you see is Ask(3), Seek(4) and Knock(5). But you can also find the same numbers in Exodus 27:1. A coincendence? I let you be the judge! Thanks again for having me!
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Post by NAR on Jan 17, 2004 0:45:31 GMT -5
Itowah I agree, the letter G (upper and lowercase) is a new comer in english phonetics, but the symbol itself is very ancient (in fact timeless). The Gg is seen incorperated in all life. Geometrically and mathematically, the golden rectangle illustrates this. In freemasonry, the compass and square (with the G superimposed in its crux) evolved from the psychology and the physiology of the mathematical universe, which is spirit (manito, manidoo). The sole dispensor of the movement and the measurement of spirit was called HUNAB KU. Moreover, the language of the Olmec was NOT mande. Mande is what they are/were, because MANDE renders MANIDOO, which means spirit in algonkian discourse. Manidoo is one who walks the earth or ground with a SERPENT. It is a speech, word, eloquence in which the Quiche Maia of guatamala called UCHAN or simply KAN. Interestingly enough, the Olmec were called in the Americas KAN, which means: sky (3), four (4) and snake (5). Kan literally means "feathered snake." The word America did NOT originate with the europeans, but by the Incas of peru, who called these lands AMARUCA (the Lands of the Feathered Snakes). Recall that one of the fifty names of MAR.DUG (sacred ground) is AMERUKKA. Nayya Pa Naba Ra (true man) Bro. Nar, Thank you for the warm welcome. Reading your statement: "The square and the compass with the G superimposed inside the crux of this sacred symbol, in what is now called Freemasonry, goes back to the sacred Denderah Zodiac (Zodok) at the temple of Hat-Hort and back to the ancient Kache Maia (olmec) representation of the mathematical universe, in which the Ancient Americans (i.e. Maya and Aztecs) called Hunab Ku, the sacred measurement (space) and movement (time)." The letter "G" did not come into play within Freemasonry(english language) until 1730. With Pritchard's expose, that is the first mention of the letter "G". The language of the Olmecs was called Mende. Highly unlikable that they used the word God or geometry since their language predated Ancient Hebrew and also other ancient languages. The letter G was not seen in the US until the mid 1800s. I can see if the Yod was used or the all seeing eye, but the symbol of Pythagoras(we all know that is not his theory) with the letter G in the middle tells me that this picture is not ancient. Prime example is when you go to other countries, the letter G is not in the middle of the SQ and Compass. You may find the letter D in some countries due to some calling God "Deo". The countries that I have visited, I was given lapel pins with no letter in between the Sq and Compass. That picture is not ancient. It is more modified for those of us who speak english. How can the Mayans, Aztecs,and Incas be "ancient americans" if the european coined the term "america"? Now the true formula for "MC2 is: expression (E) = mc2 the rest energy of an object of rest mass m. In motion, the object's total energy is a sum of its rest energy and its kinetic energy. That is E = [(p2c2) + m2c4]1/2 It seems a coincedence that that equals to N-U-W-A-U-P-U. I liken that to the term 3-4-5, which is the numbers that all who measure angles hold up high. If you look at Matthew 7:7 all you see is Ask(3), Seek(4) and Knock(5). But you can also find the same numbers in Exodus 27:1. A coincendence? I let you be the judge! Thanks again for having me!
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Post by Ralph on Jan 19, 2004 15:17:01 GMT -5
Itowah I agree, the letter G (upper and lowercase) is a new comer in english phonetics, but the symbol itself is very ancient (in fact timeless). The Gg is seen incorperated in all life. Geometrically and mathematically, the golden rectangle illustrates this. In freemasonry, the compass and square (with the G superimposed in its crux) evolved from the psychology and the physiology of the mathematical universe, which is spirit (manito, manidoo). The sole dispensor of the movement and the measurement of spirit was called HUNAB KU. Moreover, the language of the Olmec was NOT mande. Mande is what they are/were, because MANDE renders MANIDOO, which means spirit in algonkian discourse. Manidoo is one who walks the earth or ground with a SERPENT. It is a speech, word, eloquence in which the Quiche Maia of guatamala called UCHAN or simply KAN. Interestingly enough, the Olmec were called in the Americas KAN, which means: sky (3), four (4) and snake (5). Kan literally means "feathered snake." The word America did NOT originate with the europeans, but by the Incas of peru, who called these lands AMARUCA (the Lands of the Feathered Snakes). Recall that one of the fifty names of MAR.DUG (sacred ground) is AMERUKKA. Nayya Pa Naba Ra (true man) YOu stated that the languge of the Olmecs did not speak Mande(mende), there are sites given here that state a strong case: www.theperspective.org/olmecs.htmlwww.geocities.com/olmec982000/ortiz1.htmwww.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/04022002.htmwww.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/contraolmec.htmlAs far as your term "amaruca" please refer to: www.amaruca.com/You gave some numbers adding up to Nuwaubu. I did not see the response to my email claiming that it was nothing more than a coincedence. Good scholarship stimulates thinking. I await your reply...
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Post by NAR on Jan 23, 2004 19:21:26 GMT -5
The Olmec, who were called Chan, Can, Kan (royal snakes), spoke an eloquence that was supernatural. The Popol Vuh calls it Uchan, which translates into the Lakota word for something sacred and holy, WAKAN. Uchan is the word or eloquence of the Great Serpent. Moreover, Wakan is derived form the Lakota word KAN that encompasses the notion of eternity (neither beginning nor ending). Wakan also means Spirit. Everything in the natural order has a spirit, which is called mandoo (mande) in algonkian discourse.
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Post by Ralph on Jan 23, 2004 19:33:27 GMT -5
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Post by Master-9 on Jan 23, 2004 20:52:57 GMT -5
Do not call me by my family name, you don't have the right to address me in that manner. Call me Master-9 or call me nothing.
Nar, don't let go of that rope.
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Post by NAR on Jan 23, 2004 21:02:06 GMT -5
Itcha Master 9 I thankyou for your counsel... As my mother once said, "blood is thicker than water." Do not call me by my family name, you don't have the right to address me in that manner. Call me Master-9 or call me nothing. Nar, don't let go of that rope.
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Post by Ralph on Jan 23, 2004 23:11:46 GMT -5
Do not call me by my family name, you don't have the right to address me in that manner. Call me Master-9 or call me nothing. Nar, don't let go of that rope. Sounds like you need a big hug today my brother! I call you as you presented yourself to me years ago.....
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Post by Master-9 on Jan 24, 2004 20:55:37 GMT -5
I had a little respect for you then, but none now :todahand:
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Post by Ralph on Jan 26, 2004 11:42:11 GMT -5
I had a little respect for you then, but none now :todahand: We will meet one day and it will be upon the square.....
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jan 26, 2004 12:57:10 GMT -5
DING DING!
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Post by Master-9 on Feb 9, 2004 21:49:08 GMT -5
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Post by Ralph on Feb 10, 2004 16:06:51 GMT -5
[/img][/quote] I just ordered that book and want to compare it to any other ritual that has been copyrighted. I have many rituals in my library......
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Post by Zandor on Feb 10, 2004 16:53:56 GMT -5
how much? I just ordered that book and want to compare it to any other ritual that has been copyrighted. I have many rituals in my library......
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Post by Ralph on Feb 10, 2004 19:28:09 GMT -5
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