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Post by 1dell on Aug 27, 2004 8:55:10 GMT -5
Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the IHaWaH came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I [am] thy shield, [and] thy exceeding great reward. Gen 15:2 And Abram said, IHaWaH Alhiym, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house [is] this Eliezer of Damascus? Gen 15:3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. Gen 15:4 And, behold, the word of the IHaWaH [came] unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. Gen 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. Gen 15:6 And he believed in the IHaWaH; and he counted it to him for righteousness. Gen 15:7 And he said unto him, I [am] the IHaWaH that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. Gen 15:8 And he said, IHaWaH Elohiym, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it? Gen 15:9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. Gen 15:10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. Gen 15:11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. Gen 15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land [that is] not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; Gen 15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. Gen 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites [is] not yet full. Gen 15:17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, Gen 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Sept 14, 2004 5:59:42 GMT -5
In regard to Genesis 15:18-21 - with the punctuation that was used I can't figure out if God is giving over these people to Abrahm's hands or if He is simply speaking of the land that those people occupied at the time.. 1dell what are your thoughts on this? Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the IHaWaH came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I [am] thy shield, [and] thy exceeding great reward. Gen 15:2 And Abram said, IHaWaH Alhiym, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house [is] this Eliezer of Damascus? Gen 15:3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. Gen 15:4 And, behold, the word of the IHaWaH [came] unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. Gen 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. Gen 15:6 And he believed in the IHaWaH; and he counted it to him for righteousness. Gen 15:7 And he said unto him, I [am] the IHaWaH that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. Gen 15:8 And he said, IHaWaH Elohiym, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it? Gen 15:9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. Gen 15:10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. Gen 15:11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. Gen 15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land [that is] not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; Gen 15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. Gen 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites [is] not yet full. Gen 15:17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, Gen 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Sept 14, 2004 6:01:35 GMT -5
Also,
Gen 15:10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
why did he not divide the birds? what is the significance?
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Sept 18, 2004 11:12:47 GMT -5
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Post by kAHANyAH on Sept 18, 2004 11:40:26 GMT -5
The key is in the numerics. Take a look...
Gen 15:9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
What one must realize is the writers of holy script veiled mysteries with plain historical rhetoric. However there are keys they left within the plain txt. in order for you solve them. One key is NUMERICS. Notice in the verse age is given for the heifer, she goat and ram. All of which are land creatures. And the age is THREE and there are three animals with given ages, another THREE [33]. Now you have the AERIAL creatures who are not given any age in that particular passage. I will break it down in xtian talk and understanding so you can see where I am coming from on this...
The first three animals represent the number 33 - or the nature (age or aeon) of Christ as man in the flesh. This is the veil of the temple rent [divided] - rep. the kingdom or ministry of the Jew and Xtian [ref. Matt 27.51]. Thats where the instruction of the dividing comes from for the first three animals; dividing the jew from the non jew - hebrew and gentile.
The last two animals [2] represent crucifying of the flesh and the proceding resurrection or the aeon where there is no AGE (infinity). There is no more division in this ministry for the two become one. Thats why the birds were not divided, they represent that new age. This is the HOLY MARRIAGE or union between the church bride [jew and xtian] and the lamb [ref. Matt 19.6].
First three animals = old covenant, seperation between jew and xtian
last two animals = new convenant, unification of church [jew and xtian] and the lamb.
Another numeric key : You add 3 + 2 = 5
ALL FIVE ANIMALS MAKE UP THE PENTEUTECH ALSO KNOWN AS THE 5 BOOKS OF MOSHE. YESHUA CAME TO FULFILL THE FIVE BOOKS OF MOSHE.
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Sept 18, 2004 14:42:34 GMT -5
Interesting breakdown Kah, and thanks for answering my question. I wondered as I read the scripture if there was some special significance the numbers and the particular animals involved. That helps a lot.
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