Extra Biblical Writings of Paul

[kAHANyAH]

I never said such a thing. Slow down bros. you gonna get us lost and on top of that drown us in a sea of posts. Lets try and tackle this at pace.

What I said is all the men [including Paul] saw the same light. Obviously the entity that came in the name of Kristos had plans to cast the spell specifically on paul because he was the weak link and for all intents and purpose - the MISSING LINK. As such the focus of the light source was on him. Its called a CIPHER in ritual magik. Paul was in the circle and the men were outside the circle. The magik will affect he who stands within the circle.

1dell said:

I can't believe this man. You say that Luke includes that the light shone around the men? No he doesn't! When Luke narrates the event he never says the light shines around the men

Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:


Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?


Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.


Act 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.


Act 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Luke NEVER says the men were exposed to the light, He says that the light shone around Paul from heaven. It's only when Luke QUOTES PAUL elsewhere in the book that we find out about the men seeing the light. But the first time the event it told Luke narrates it, the 2nd and 3rd time he is quoting Paul. So why are you making emphasis on Luke "including" that for a reason.

I swear man, if yall aint gonna be about the book and devote yourselfs to the book and approach it humbly, then yall need to leave the book alone.

Now that only leaves us with trying to figure out how in the world Paul losing his site for 3 days even has a corelations to Ishua being in the heart of the eart for 3 days.

[1dell]

Dude, enjoy the link of the extra biblical writings of Paul. Youa re asking me to dialogue with you over this ridiculousness? No thanks it's a waste of my time. You asked me a question, I ansaared it. You didn't like my ansaar cuz it didn't match any of your self made interpretations of scripture.

That being the case we can't break bread together. I don't know ANOTHER soul on this planet that would even see the scales of Paul's eyes as "the clean knowledge of God" And you say I am reaching? LOLOL!

Lawd ha murcy. YOu didn't like my version but yours is supposed to be the criteria standard?

Whatever. enjoy the links bro. You can keep talking to yourself in this thread if you like. I am not interested in discussing what sounds like a screen play to Harry Potter or some Lords of the Rings type ish

[kAHANyAH]

LOL!!! oh come on, i was just gettin started on whoopin yo ass. .

Listen 1dell raise the law of the G-d to the level of the mystery as we are instructed. Then will you see the clean fishes of the waters, clean beasts of the field and clean birds of the air are 3 grades [plains] to the holy clean knowledge of the most High. If you ever come to understanding this then you will know the scales are tenets to G-d knowledge.

I mean come on bros. when you read "EYE" in the bible dont you think you must elevate it to this meaning christ was trying to get at you ->

Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Unfortunately for now, in your state of mind you think Kristos is talking about the physical eye .

I shall now put the real ass whoopin on you in your botched thread attempt at taking a swipe at MZYork. Over there you gonna have to deal with me PUNK!!

[1dell]

Dude who is you trying to kid?

I asked you a legitimate question. Why was paul blinded by the light ?. You gave me a response, and i am paraphrasing you - the light was so bright that it affected his retina. I then said well the men who travelled with him also saw the same light but werent affected. The writer obviously put that in there for a reason. But your response is , there are extenuating circumstances and reasons that played into that. Circumstances that "were left out". Left out! come on brother can you give me a better excuse ? However you want us to believe the author didnt put the details and yet he made sure he put in those men saw the same light.

you said the writer puts in the there that they all saw the same light but the men with paul didn't get blinded. Who is the writer kah? I'll tell you. Luke. The first time this event is told is in acts 9. Luke never mentions that the other men were exposed to the light. The first time it's told Luke is giving a narration of it. The 2nd and 3rd it's given Luke is quoting Paul as he relays the story to verious people. And the final time we find out about the light. So my point is NO the author DOESN"T mention it for a reason. Heck the "writer" doesn't mention it at all.

No way the story is told 3 times, Paul was blinded 3 days and the messiah was in "the belly of the beast" (as you put it) for 3 days. Wow!! 3 3 and 3. I am sure you can shoot from the hip and come up with something Super Duper Mystical right quick on that one

[kAHANyAH]

uhhhh... you aint suppose to be responding no more. REMEMBER ? LOL!! whats wong mr. hung - got too much pride to cave in ?

[1dell]

I'm not laffing Kah. it's not going to work this time. I take this stuff very seriously. This aint funny. YOu have a real knack for wasting my time with this misguided "mystical" quest you are on where you try and make a lemon twist outta every scripture you can get your hands on.

You are on your own this time man, I see no profit in it for me. I posted the link for anyone interested in extra biblical Paul texts, not to watch you shapeshift thru a debate that you are trying to disguise as a bread breaking session gone ary. I aint even supposed to be on the internet at work. I be dayum if Imma violate the rules doing this ish

Bel said:

LOL!!! oh come on, i was just gettin started on whoopin yo ass. .

Listen 1dell raise the law of the G-d to the level of the mystery as we are instructed. Then will you see the clean fishes of the waters, clean beasts of the field and clean birds of the air are 3 grades [plains] to the holy clean knowledge of the most High. If you ever come to understanding this then you will know the scales are tenets to G-d knowledge.

I mean come on bros. when you read "EYE" in the bible dont you think you must elevate it to this meaning christ was trying to get at you ->

Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Unfortunately for now, in your state of mind you think Kristos is talking about the physical eye .

I shall now put the real ass whoopin on you in your botched thread attempt at taking a swipe at MZYork. Over there you gonna have to deal with me PUNK!!

[kAHANyAH]

i aint tell you to horse 'round while you on the clock. Sh*t!! dont blame me !

1dell said:

I'm not laffing Kah. it's not going to work this time. I take this stuff very seriously. This aint funny. YOu have a real knack for wasting my time with this misguided "mystical" quest you are on where you try and make a lemon twist outta every scripture you can get your hands on.

You are on your own this time man, I see no profit in it for me. I posted the link for anyone interested in extra biblical Paul texts, not to watch you shapeshift thru a debate that you are trying to disguise as a bread breaking session gone ary. I aint even supposed to be on the internet at work. I be dayum if Imma violate the rules doing this ish

[kAHANyAH]

The light did shone around all the men who were with Paul 1dell. Here is the verse.

Act 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

1dell said:

I can't believe this man. You say that Luke includes that the light shone around the men? No he doesn't! When Luke narrates the event he never says the light shines around the men

Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:


Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?


Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.


Act 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.


Act 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Luke NEVER says the men were exposed to the light, He says that the light shone around Paul from heaven. It's only when Luke QUOTES PAUL elsewhere in the book that we find out about the men seeing the light. But the first time the event it told Luke narrates it, the 2nd and 3rd time he is quoting Paul. So why are you making emphasis on Luke "including" that for a reason.

I swear man, if yall aint gonna be about the book and devote yourselfs to the book and approach it humbly, then yall need to leave the book alone.

Now that only leaves us with trying to figure out how in the world Paul losing his site for 3 days even has a corelations to Ishua being in the heart of the eart for 3 days.

/me

[Brownbonnet]

Now the vision was for PAUL and the message was for PAUL. Where are the other guys in relation to PauL? The fact that they were not blinded tells me that they were not as close to the light as Paul was or that they may have been looking off to the side or at each other during the time the light shone. It's the difference between Look in the sky when the sun is shining and looking DIRECTLY into the sun. Now the rate of vision loss will be the same. And if the men are talking to each other or looking off to the side or around them, then they will see the light periferially and the lens of the eye is not directly affected. And since they could see a bright light out of corner of their eye they had time to prepare to look directly into the light by covering their eyes with their hands like when you use a sun visor in the car. But the suddan blast of light that appeared DIRECTLY before Paul left PAUL no time to prepare and it blinded him.
(from 1dell)
hey--- whar y'all boyz gone? we ain't got the understanding yet.....
Hey. Brother 1dell---
Do you realize that you were Witnessing at the time you were responding to Bel? I see that some of his/her posts were just baiting you. That is what the ones who Don't Know do to torment Those Who Do Know.
Brother, when bel asked you why was Paul only blinded by the light, and those that were with him were not, then this is the process:
Bel, you really need to read the verses preceeding Acts 22 :9.
First of all, bel, if you read the preceding verses, then you would know that Paul had journeyed to Damascus, and he brought with him Christians. He was bringing them there so that they would be delivered to prison for their beliefs. It was his job, to persecute the Christians and the followers of the Messiah. Did you read, belbuddy, the verses of the Acts? Paul is NOT a deceiver, and this is proven in that he HIMSELF admits to being the persecuter, and proud of his job rounding up christians to bring them to slaughter/imprisonment.
Acts 22:2 "and when they heard that he addressed them in the Hebrew language, they were the more quiet. And he said:
Acts 22:3 "I am a Jew, born at Tarsus in Cilicia, but brought up in city at the feet of Gamaliel, educated according to our fathers, being zealous for God as you all are this day.
Acts 22:4 "I persecuted this Way to the death, binding and delivering to prison both men and women
Acts 22:5 "as the high priest and the whole council of elders bear me witness. From them I received letters to the brethren, and I jorneyed to Damascus to take those also who were there and bring them in bonds to Jerusalem to be punished."
Now, here we open the box:
bel, as you can see (OPEN YOUR BIBLE AND GO TO THE ACTS!!!!!FIND THE VERSES AFOREMENTIONED!!!!) as you can see there, bel, Paul as Saul is telling of his background. His background is that he WAS a jew, not a gentile, as some fools claim. He was raised a zealot, and if you study you will find that there were several jewish "leagues" at that time. The one Paul/Saul was in was the one he was RAISED in. He believed he was doing the will of The Most High. But with some historical study, you will find that the jews of that time were very, very, very traditional, and stuck in rabbinical and levitical==religious laws. And according to the zealots and pharisee and sadducee (of which Paul/Saul admitted he was a member-no mystery) the "Way" was the teaching of the Jesus. And in the verses mentioned above, we see that Paul was leading BELIEVERS on the road to Damascus, to be delivered unto prison. Why? Because the BELIEVERS The Faithful The Masiyhiyyin were doing something considered rebellious at that time: their spiritual doctrine had veered off the path of the levites. So, they were considered opposing the will and work of God.
Now, Paul as Saul was bring "them that were with me" who were obviously believers. Otherwise, why is Paul as Saul stating in Acts 22 :5 he is bringing folks in bonds?
So, the ultimate and complete answer to your "query" is as thus:
Paul as Saul was the one in the group on the Road to Damascus who was an Unbeliever, one who persecuted those who were the faithful and saved, the Christian Christ followers.
He was bringing them to be imprisoned/persecute/slain for their beliefs. Bel, THEY MUST HAVE ALREADY HAD THE LIGHT OF THE MOST HIGH WITHIN THEM! OTHERWISE WHY WOULD THEY NOT BE BLINDED? Paul as Saul didn't have the light of Truth (true light) within him, he denied and persecuted them. So, evidently Paul as Saul needed to be brought into the Light himself, so that he would be saved, like those believers the faithful he was dragging to Damascus.
And brother 1dell, don't let a pedantic throw chinks in your chain. You have the grasp of the Holy Scripture that obvious others do not. And you are scoffed at because of your spiritual wisdom. These scoffing folk get high on making The Faithful falter when debated. You are obviously not weak, but you let bel cause you to falter and cut off your discussion. Actually 1dell, you had it going on point the whole time. Stay on it, don't let up. The Good News is just what it is--The Good News. You must know that when you discuss the bible with folks who seek or are kaafirs or scoffers you are "witnessing". As brethren/sisters, we must encourage each other. i encourage you to keep up the discussion. Folk are trying to get you and me to "gnosticate" the truth of the Book of the Bible down to mere pedantics. They don't know that they are missing every single point in it. Bel was going around in circle with you; i can see it in the posts. You know the scripture; don't go away---stay and we will break the cross together. To encourage you, i post here a verse from Saul now Paul's letter to the Colossians.....................
Colossians 2:8 "See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit,according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ."

[kAHANyAH]

Tell u what Bonnet, Lets entertain what you say about the men who "journeyed" with Paul were in captivity (I dont accept this there is no scripture to prove what you just said). Then yes it would explain the reason why they weren't blinded by the light. But that doesnt negate from what I said which is the light of Jesus that blinded Paul was not physical light. That was my contention with 1dell. And also this blinding affect - its adverse; SPELL.

About your bait comment, my sistah that is a common tactic used by many including Jesus. Remember he made his disciples fishers of men. Let me ask you something, ever gone fishing ? you know what a bait and hook is ?

[Master-9]

Bel said:

Tell u what Bonnet, Lets entertain what you say about the men who "journeyed" with Paul were in captivity (I dont accept this there is no scripture to prove what you just said). Then yes it would explain the reason why they weren't blinded by the light. But that doesnt negate from what I said which is the light of Jesus that blinded Paul was not physical light. That was my contention with 1dell.

About your bait comment, my sistah that is a common tactic used by many including Jesus. Remember he made his disciples fishers of men. Let me ask you something, ever gone fishing ? you know what a bait and hook is ?

I guess she isn't a fisher of men

[Brownbonnet]

Tell u what Bonnet, Lets entertain what you say about the men who "journeyed" with Paul were in captivity (I dont accept this there is no scripture to prove what you just said). Then yes it would explain the reason why they weren't blinded by the light. But that doesnt negate from what I said which is the light of Jesus that blinded Paul was not physical light. That was my contention with 1dell.

About your bait comment, my sistah that is a common tactic used by many including Jesus. Remember he made his disciples fishers of men. Let me ask you something, ever gone fishing ? you know what a bait and hook is
(from belzbug)

..... ;D tell ya what, bel.....i gi' you a dollah iffen you tell me what yo' p'int iyuh......

[kAHANyAH]

interesting response Bonnet...

Hey bonnet in your mind you think Paul was transporting prisoners by him lonesome self? He had no guards of the temple assisting him ? Hmmmm... Interesting thought.

What was my point ? you should have asked that first before you blabbered into the topic thread ill informed. Dont ya think ?

Carry on wit yoself.

Brownbonnet said:

Tell u what Bonnet, Lets entertain what you say about the men who "journeyed" with Paul were in captivity (I dont accept this there is no scripture to prove what you just said). Then yes it would explain the reason why they weren't blinded by the light. But that doesnt negate from what I said which is the light of Jesus that blinded Paul was not physical light. That was my contention with 1dell.

About your bait comment, my sistah that is a common tactic used by many including Jesus. Remember he made his disciples fishers of men. Let me ask you something, ever gone fishing ? you know what a bait and hook is
(from belzbug)

..... ;D tell ya what, bel.....i gi' you a dollah iffen you tell me what yo' p'int iyuh......

[kAHANyAH]

it seems so M9. She might be spending too much time hounding down MZyork instead of spending more time gettin in tune with nature. Hey! Im a real generous dude. My homie owns a boat and we go fishing during the summer days. Well summer is wounding down so if she likes I can take her on a fishing expedition. Show her HOW ITS DONE RITE. She gotta hurry up though. Next week is last week.

Master-9 said:

I guess she isn't a fisher of men

/me

[1dell]

I appreciate that BB, it's all done in fun and Kah knows I likes me a good fight ury now and then. No one else wishes to engage me in debate, so I appreciate the time he takes.

We are both stubborn as all get out so that motivates a some of our responses.

We speak to each other but sometimes in different languages in different mediums. He asks me why Paul is not blinded by the Light. I am thinking he is speaking practically but in the end I find he is speaking metaphorically. Thats the angle he was taking the entire argument but I was taking a physical angle. The question was rather blan but it was laced.

He likes to do that come with loaded ambiguous questions so that in the end he can wiggle out with some seemingly supper metaphysical that he hopes goes so high above your head it will seem like you are defeated for lack of comprehension.

Glad someone else saw thru his tactics.

But hell, I love havin the guy around. Iron sharpens Iron