It's ok to eat pork?

[1dell]

ok, let me try and put it another way.

Tell me what is so honorable about cutting of a mole verses not lying to your parents?

tell me whats so honorable about walking around with short fingernails verses not murdering?

All circumcision is is self mutulation. LOL. there is nothig honorable about that. lol ESPECIALLY when those who are circumcised still sin.

When I say speaking of the flesh verses behavior this is what I mean, A man sins with his hands with his tongue with his eyes with his feet with his penis. Do you see the most high saying Cut off your fingernails, cut off your hair, cut off your toenails?

If the clipping away of parts of the body was so honorable then why is it just the forskin of the penis that is cut?

Ishua said if your hand causes you to sin cut it off. Circumcise it....Thats another thought.

I was really hoping you would innerstand my last point I am running out of ways to help you innerstand what I am saying. There is no profit in circumcision, it doesn't help you keep the law anybetter. It's just a sign thats all it is and if God was so hung up on it, then he would have created man already circumcised.

Besides you never ansaared my question, What is circumcision? What is it for? Why was Abram told to circumcise himself. Why do goyim need to circumcise themselves when they don't live in the land of Canaan?

kAH said:

See! this is the shizzle I be speaking of...

1dell says :One deals with the flesh of man the other deals with the Behavior of man.

Im like wtf! you behavior is how you express your personality thru your flesh!! For instance molestation. Most molestors have a strong attraction in their flesh to little kids. So G-d creates a law called fornication to motify that craving in the flesh.

Damn 1dell! you makin this too ez for me to debunk yo punk ass!

[kAHANyAH]

Youre changing your arguement mid-stream. Your original premise was G-d created the flesh one way so why did he decide to have the flesh mutilated ? The premise is why did he make it one way and decide to change it into another way.

I successfully argued and refuted your assertion by giving you the example of G-d creating laws to govern a body [bear in mind he *supposedely* created it], that innately could not do the things contained in the law. I then decided to pose the question to you... why did g-d create the flesh weak and wound up having to create laws to govern that flesh. Why not create the flesh to do the things contained in the law ?

You decide to change up and say well you were talking about self mutilation. Well let me try it this way...

When a woman is child bearing, in order to push the baby out is there any type of mutilation occuring ? Is there any ripping and bleeding of the flesh ? Think about that carefully before you answer. And while you ponder on that, let me cite this verse for you...

Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission

Pay very close attn. to "shedding of blood" which ties in with *mutilation*

Peace.

1dell said:

ok, let me try and put it another way.

Tell me what is so honorable about cutting of a mole verses not lying to your parents?

tell me whats so honorable about walking around with short fingernails verses not murdering?

All circumcision is is self mutulation. LOL. there is nothig honorable about that. lol ESPECIALLY when those who are circumcised still sin.

When I say speaking of the flesh verses behavior this is what I mean, A man sins with his hands with his tongue with his eyes with his feet with his penis. Do you see the most high saying Cut off your fingernails, cut off your hair, cut off your toenails?

If the clipping away of parts of the body was so honorable then why is it just the forskin of the penis that is cut?

Ishua said if your hand causes you to sin cut it off. Circumcise it....Thats another thought.

I was really hoping you would innerstand my last point I am running out of ways to help you innerstand what I am saying. There is no profit in circumcision, it doesn't help you keep the law anybetter. It's just a sign thats all it is and if God was so hung up on it, then he would have created man already circumcised.

Besides you never ansaared my question, What is circumcision? What is it for? Why was Abram told to circumcise himself. Why do goyim need to circumcise themselves when they don't live in the land of Canaan?

[1dell]

and my point to you was God didn't create the flesh weak. When he saw man what did he say "it was good" So where is the bad/imperfect/weakness in good?

Because man is a creature of freewill he gave him a choice. Either eternal life or knowledge of good and evil. I am sure that if man was left alone he would have chosen eternal life. In comes the N'kash/serpent to influence man's decision.

So my point is God says "it is good" of man so man is created uncircumcised guess what "it is good" not weakness. Man obtained a sinful nature from his experiences with a "tree" after partaking of that his nature was changed. AFter communion with the N'kash, his nature was changed. God didn't create him that way.

So my point Kah STILL is, if circumcision is so important to the most high then why didn't he create him that way?

The remission of sin? Dude thats why the animal sacrficie was instituted. The animal (representing denomination of wealth) was killed in the man's stead because the wages of sin are death. But the animal's death substitutes man's death.

So Again. Circumcision belongs to a particular culture. Because that was the way THAT culture consumated a convenant or supreme severity. A la Abram. And his seed was to do the same. ARe the gentiles abram's seed? lol And on the land of Canaan one was supposed to be circumcised in order to be a citizen within Ysra'al. What need does a gentile living in Tibet and plans on living and dying in tibet need with circumcision?

You are missing the spirit of the debate. My points nor my argument's have changed. my analogies and methods of approach to get you to innerstand my points may have new presentations. but thats it. The spirit behind my words have not changed.

And no you have not successfully refuted nothing.

[kAHANyAH]

oh damn homie, you done went gobbledegook on me. Now you wanna be spooking out on me with I should have picked up the spirit behind your words shizzle. Dude I aint no psychic! If you got some spiritual principle to relate then my broham and cheese drop it on me! Dont pull them porkchop hamhock storefront christian church line on me!



You say that G-d said his creation was "good" in which I agree. But are you sure the 1st chp genesis refers to this world we live in ? Do me a solid me hombre, can you show me where "BASHAR" [flesh] was created in the 1st. chp of genesis. I mean you are claiming the flesh of men was created in the 1st chp genesis creation tale and I cant re-call it. Help a broham and cheese will ya. I cant seem to find it .

1dell said:

and my point to you was God didn't create the flesh weak. When he saw man what did he say "it was good" So where is the bad/imperfect/weakness in good?

Because man is a creature of freewill he gave him a choice. Either eternal life or knowledge of good and evil. I am sure that if man was left alone he would have chosen eternal life. In comes the N'kash/serpent to influence man's decision.

So my point is God says "it is good" of man so man is created uncircumcised guess what "it is good" not weakness. Man obtained a sinful nature from his experiences with a "tree" after partaking of that his nature was changed. AFter communion with the N'kash, his nature was changed. God didn't create him that way.

So my point Kah STILL is, if circumcision is so important to the most high then why didn't he create him that way?

The remission of sin? Dude thats why the animal sacrficie was instituted. The animal (representing denomination of wealth) was killed in the man's stead because the wages of sin are death. But the animal's death substitutes man's death.

So Again. Circumcision belongs to a particular culture. Because that was the way THAT culture consumated a convenant or supreme severity. A la Abram. And his seed was to do the same. ARe the gentiles abram's seed? lol And on the land of Canaan one was supposed to be circumcised in order to be a citizen within Ysra'al. What need does a gentile living in Tibet and plans on living and dying in tibet need with circumcision?

You are missing the spirit of the debate. My points nor my argument's have changed. my analogies and methods of approach to get you to innerstand my points may have new presentations. but thats it. The spirit behind my words have not changed.

And no you have not successfully refuted nothing.

[1dell]

Are you serious bro? now you reaching, grasping for straws. I would expect no less.

But let me entertain you:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Hey bro I bold faced the word man on purpose. Because it's the hebrew word Adam. the SAME word being described in chapter 2. Adam was divided into to genders male and female. Same as in Chapter 2. So why should be assume that they are any different than the people we find in chapter 2? The man was named Adam for a reason denoting the color red as WELL as from the ground. Adamah being the hebrew word for ground/dust/soil. No different than the material of the man in chapter 2. One and the same.

not even a nice try bro. But you get an E for ig'nant

kAH said:

oh damn homie, you done went gobbledegook on me. Now you wanna be spooking out on me with I should have picked up the spirit behind your words shizzle. Dude I aint no psychic! If you got some spiritual principle to relate then my broham and cheese drop it on me! Dont pull them porkchop hamhock storefront christian church line on me!



You say that G-d said his creation was "good" in which I agree. But are you sure the 1st chp genesis refers to this world we live in ? Do me a solid me hombre, can you show me where "BASHAR" [flesh] was created in the 1st. chp of genesis. I mean you are claiming the flesh of men was created in the 1st chp genesis creation tale and I cant re-call it. Help a broham and cheese will ya. I cant seem to find it .

[kAHANyAH]

i figure you couldnt pull a rabbit outta yo wanksta cap! You couldn't find the word Bashar [flesh] up in gen 1 chp. . Your claim is the word Adam denotes flesh and that there is continuity from gen 1chp. to 2nd. chp, making both Adam's the same one person. Are you sure about that nooka ?

Here gobble on this nikka!...

Exd 15:3 The LORD [is] a man of war: the LORD [is] his name.

Now in the above, the word "man" is the substitute for the hebrew Ish. The same "ish" used to describe a state of being for the original proto-man "ADAM". Here is the million dollar question 1dell, was the HaShem composed of "BASHAR" [flesh] ?

I wont argue if the two adams are the same or different for now. I wanna first slam dunk on you and show you Adam, Man does not necessarily denote fleshly beings.

1dell said:

Are you serious bro? now you reaching, grasping for straws. I would expect no less.

But let me entertain you:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Hey bro I bold faced the word man on purpose. Because it's the hebrew word Adam. the SAME word being described in chapter 2. Adam was divided into to genders male and female. Same as in Chapter 2. So why should be assume that they are any different than the people we find in chapter 2? The man was named Adam for a reason denoting the color red as WELL as from the ground. Adamah being the hebrew word for ground/dust/soil. No different than the material of the man in chapter 2. One and the same.

not even a nice try bro. But you get an E for ig'nant

[1dell]

yes God was composed of flesh

And nigga please Adam himself is later called ish so stop playing with me Kah you are running out of room. Not to mention other men of FLESH are called ish.

dayum man!

p.s. The first time B'shar is found in scripture adam is being performed surgery on. And what is your point? Adam in chapter one is the same as adam in chapter 2 is the same as mankind being destroyed in the flood. "my spirit shall not always strive with man (adam) because he is flesh" What point did you get lost in?

this is like the umpteenth time you done went off on a topic change. you're struggling man, strugglign I say

kAH said:

i figure you couldnt pull a rabbit outta yo wanksta cap! You couldn't find the word Bashar [flesh] up in gen 1 chp. . Your claim is the word Adam denotes flesh and that there is continuity from gen 1chp. to 2nd. chp, making both Adam's the same one person. Are you sure about that nooka ?

Here gobble on this nikka!...

Exd 15:3 The LORD [is] a man of war: the LORD [is] his name.

Now in the above, the word "man" is the substitute for the hebrew Ish. The same "ish" used to describe a state of being for the original proto-man "ADAM". Here is the million dollar question 1dell, was the HaShem composed of "BASHAR" [flesh] ?

I wont argue if the two adams are the same or different for now. I wanna first slam dunk on you and show you Adam, Man does not necessarily denote fleshly beings.

[1dell]

dayum my bad bro, whew. I overlooked one of your silly ass questions:

Where is FLESH created in chapter one? dayum all over the place is my ansaar:

Fish / flesh. Birds / flesh. Day 6 is flesh day! Animals AND man were created on the same day. The animals were made from the earth they were flesh.

We find out again in the flood incident that these beings are flesh and he will be destroying these beings. The funny thing is there is a pattern to creation. God created in many differnt ways. One is God spoke things came firth. Then there is God Made and how praytell did he MAKE a thing? and what materials did he use?

I swear to god kah if you come back with some bull jank about spiritual animals and spiritual fish and spiritual man Imma da hell outta yo eyeball

kAH said:

oh damn homie, you done went gobbledegook on me. Now you wanna be spooking out on me with I should have picked up the spirit behind your words shizzle. Dude I aint no psychic! If you got some spiritual principle to relate then my broham and cheese drop it on me! Dont pull them porkchop hamhock storefront christian church line on me!



You say that G-d said his creation was "good" in which I agree. But are you sure the 1st chp genesis refers to this world we live in ? Do me a solid me hombre, can you show me where "BASHAR" [flesh] was created in the 1st. chp of genesis. I mean you are claiming the flesh of men was created in the 1st chp genesis creation tale and I cant re-call it. Help a broham and cheese will ya. I cant seem to find it .

[kAHANyAH]

LOL!!! It aint my fault Ishua called the followers fish and the likes. You still aint answer my question nooka! Where is the word BASHAR in the gen 1 chp. ?

This another bud for ya...

• Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
  
• Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
  
• Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
  

Where do we read about this "sea" where christ commands the net to be cast into, sir 1dell ? Let me help you out nooka...

[/b], and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
[/ul]
You may wanna re-tract yo last post buddy

1dell said:

dayum my bad bro, whew. I overlooked one of your silly ass questions:

Where is FLESH created in chapter one? dayum all over the place is my ansaar:

Fish / flesh. Birds / flesh. Day 6 is flesh day! Animals AND man were created on the same day. The animals were made from the earth they were flesh.

We find out again in the flood incident that these beings are flesh and he will be destroying these beings. The funny thing is there is a pattern to creation. God created in many differnt ways. One is God spoke things came firth. Then there is God Made and how praytell did he MAKE a thing? and what materials did he use?

I swear to god kah if you come back with some bull jank about spiritual animals and spiritual fish and spiritual man Imma da hell outta yo eyeball

[1dell]

I don't wanna retract a dayum thing. You are still struggling and it aint even funny any moor. We go from eating pork to paul said eat pork which you STILL have not proven where Paul taught to eat pigs. to now Ishua talking about catching fish and whales in the water in genesis 1 which in hebrew ain't nothing but dayum sea monsters.

Jesus christ kah! Focus nigga FOCUS!!!

B'shar is in genesis chapter 2 and? Are you telling me that because B'shar is not in genesis chapter 1 wasn't a dayum thing made out of flesh? I guess because the hebrew word for H20 isn't in genesis 1 either the clouds and air wasn't make out of h20 either huh? I guess because the hebrew word for wood aint in genesis 1 then we should assume that the dayum trees weren't made of wood either?

I doubt if you even know how ridiculous that even sounds. Keep on wiggling shawdy, you running out of room Lil June Bug

kAH said:

LOL!!! It aint my fault Ishua called the followers fish and the likes. You still aint answer my question nooka! Where is the word BASHAR in the gen 1 chp. ?

This another bud for ya...

• Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
  
• Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
  
• Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
  

Where do we read about this "sea" where christ commands the net to be cast into, sir 1dell ? Let me help you out nooka...

[/b], and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
[/ul]
You may wanna re-tract yo last post buddy



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[1dell]

maign, you ilz outcho head and Ahvi don't approve

kAH said:

LOL!!! It aint my fault Ishua called the followers fish and the likes. You still aint answer my question nooka! Where is the word BASHAR in the gen 1 chp. ?

This another bud for ya...

• Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
  
• Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
  
• Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
  

Where do we read about this "sea" where christ commands the net to be cast into, sir 1dell ? Let me help you out nooka...

[/b], and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
[/ul]
You may wanna re-tract yo last post buddy



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[kAHANyAH]

LOL!! I'm lauging my asp off I cant reply no mo . Youre a total mess homie!

[1dell]

Can't get no reply? you must didn't read what I said before the Ahvi post. lol

Besides, reply to what? You asked me a question, then ansaared your own question, the mess around and ansaar your own question incorrectly

First we talking about circumcision, then you start running aroudn talking about where is flesh in chapter 1 of genesis, now you talking about nets and water and whales like all that bull jank is interrelated. LOL ;D

I don't know whether to laff or cry. Since I ain't got no cry icon. allow me to get my laff-on ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[kAHANyAH]

You god damn punky brewster lookin mofo!! you the one that started goin off on a tangent! I only monkey doo what monkey cee!

1dell said:

Can't get no reply? you must didn't read what I said before the Ahvi post. lol

Besides, reply to what? You asked me a question, then ansaared your own question, the mess around and ansaar your own question incorrectly

First we talking about circumcision, then you start running aroudn talking about where is flesh in chapter 1 of genesis, now you talking about nets and water and whales like all that bull jank is interrelated. LOL ;D

I don't know whether to laff or cry. Since I ain't got no cry icon. allow me to get my laff-on ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[SatiyaH]

Can you Kosher pork?