It's ok to eat pork?

[kAHANyAH]

Youre still not gettin it!!! 1dell mang! I agree in captivity you cannot keep the law to the fullness but damn! you must encourage in your teaching - the upkeeping of the laws to the best of your ability! Paul did not do that. The dude gave out LICENSE TO SIN!!!

1dell said:

EXACTLY! kah!!! exactly!! You said



How much moor the gentiles? Daniel was NEVER able to atone for his sins by celebrating Yom Kipur or celebrate passover. He was breaking Torah kah! What holy day could he celebrate without breaking Torah. Hell, was daniel even circumcised do you know?

Daniel's very own name was a babylonian diety! Belteshezzar Lord of the straitened's treasure. EVery time he called the king by name he was breaking Torah because the torah says you shall take not the name of a foreign god on your lips. He learned the sciences of Babylon steeped in paganism. He could not go to the temple, all he could do was keep the dietary laws and civil laws and several others. Hell we don't even know if he was able to keep sabbath! And Daniel was obviously raised in the oracles.

How much moor a gentile whose custom non of this was a part of AND they lived on foreign soil?

It's obvious you do not know the heart of God bro. Just like you said they kept it as best as they could. And thats what the gentiles are commanded to do

and you STILL ignore that Paul taught them Torah in Colossians chapter 3

[1dell]

Bro how can you say that? when Paul is teaching them Torah in Colossians Chapter 3? IN just about all of his epistles he teaches torah.

Paul taught, don't let your present condition prevent you from accepting the gift that IHaWaH has given you in Ishua Ha M'shiakh. Just as Ishua blessed that Canaanite woman who needed healing for her daughter and how her faith impressed Ishua so too is the message to the goyim.

Just as Abram was a goyim when he received the promise BEFORE he was circumcised is the message Paul is conveying. Paul is no deceiver!! Paul is the Minister of the Mercies of God!!!

Just as the Pharisees saw it fit to ALTER torah with the Talmud and Midrash and other writings. Making it harder for the people to keep torah. Those are commandments of men. THESE are what Paul is talking about he even says it in Colossians 2:8

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Dude Christ himself was against the modern brand of Torah that was being pimped by the Pharisees. These are the very same things that Paul was speaking against! You can find this in the book of Acts chapter 15

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.

Now when the scripture HERE speaks of the Law of Moshe do you REALLY think it's speaking of what we have in our bible here? I don't think so, it's speaking of the BRAND or VERSION of Torah that the Pharisees themselves were teaching. Ishua even had a problem with that!! Even Ishua broke THEIR version of Torah. Thats why Ishua was killed because he healed on the Shabbat the ORIGINAL torah was not against that but the Modern version was. He didn't wash his hands according to the Modern torah when the Original Torah didn't match that requirement they published.

sigh

Hopefully someone somewhere is getting something out of this

kAH said:

I agree, circumcision is to be kept in the motherland (doesnt mean youre exempt from it in the lands of captivity or the lands of the nations). Listen, this is my point you claimed paul never taught the gentiles they did not have to keep the law as was told them by many teachers of torah. I said, on the contrare Paul was encouraging gentiles to come as they are

Bottom line Paul is a minister unto the goyim and should be put in proper perspective. There are many Y'sraelites of the "new covenant" (such as yourself) that try to claim paul in the original ministry of Y'shua. Thats wrong teaching. Paul taught differently.

[1dell]

License to sin huh? LOL yeah ok bro. I guess thats why the entire 3rd chapter of Colossians is Paul holding to the Torah huh? One command after the other! I like I said before if you like I can show you where each of these commands are in the Torah.

Anyone who says that Paul teaches lawlessness hasn't read Paul's work. There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you can sit here and in good conscious and say Paul taught people it was ok to Sin! ESPECIALLY after reading Colossians Chapter 3. Once again the Book is against you bro. aint the first time, thats for dayum sure

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Col 3:4 When Christ, [who is] our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

Col 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.[/u]

Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

Col 3:10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: (image of God? hmm you need Torah to know that man was created in the image of God particularly a book of Moshe called B'reshit)

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.

Col 3:12 pPut on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also [do] ye.

Col 3:14 And above all these things [put on] charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

Col 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. (dayum!!! they musta had the scriptures to be admonishing each other with psalms and hymns)

Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Col 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

Col 3:19 Husbands, love [your] wives, and be not bitter against them.

Col 3:20 Children, obey [your] parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.

Col 3:21 Fathers, provoke not your children [to anger], lest they be discouraged.

Col 3:22 Servants, obey in all things [your] masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:

Col 3:23 And whatsoever ye do, do [it] heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

Col 3:24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. (Uh Oh!!! theres that word Inheritance Amos was talking about)

Col 3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

How does one know what wrong is if there is no Torah. Kah if you like I can reference each and everyone of these commands to torah if you life.

[kAHANyAH]

man! he aint teaching them to keep no torah in col 3 chp!. He tries to compromise the letter of the law, refining it in such a way it would be readily accepted by the goyim and righteous before God (though he thought it was righteous).

In other words 1dell, Paul taught some of the 10 commandments. The tenets of Paul's doctrine are supported by less then 10 of the original commandments given to men by Moshe. You know like, One G-d, no adultery, help your brethren, etc... . Sabbath was one acception to his teaching. He didnt promote that. There is another one of the 10 commandments ( dont remember off hand).

1dell said:

Bro how can you say that? when Paul is teaching them Torah in Colossians Chapter 3? IN just about all of his epistles he teaches torah.

Paul taught, don't let your present condition prevent you from accepting the gift that IHaWaH has given you in Ishua Ha M'shiakh. Just as Ishua blessed that Canaanite woman who needed healing for her daughter and how her faith impressed Ishua so too is the message to the goyim.

Just as Abram was a goyim when he received the promise BEFORE he was circumcised is the message Paul is conveying. Paul is no deceiver!! Paul is the Minister of the Mercies of God!!!

Just as the Pharisees saw it fit to ALTER torah with the Talmud and Midrash and other writings. Making it harder for the people to keep torah. Those are commandments of men. THESE are what Paul is talking about he even says it in Colossians 2:8

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Dude Christ himself was against the modern brand of Torah that was being pimped by the Pharisees. These are the very same things that Paul was speaking against! You can find this in the book of Acts chapter 15

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.

Now when the scripture HERE speaks of the Law of Moshe do you REALLY think it's speaking of what we have in our bible here? I don't think so, it's speaking of the BRAND or VERSION of Torah that the Pharisees themselves were teaching. Ishua even had a problem with that!! Even Ishua broke THEIR version of Torah. Thats why Ishua was killed because he healed on the Shabbat the ORIGINAL torah was not against that but the Modern version was. He didn't wash his hands according to the Modern torah when the Original Torah didn't match that requirement they published.

sigh

Hopefully someone somewhere is getting something out of this

[kAHANyAH]

1dell if you think the hebrew nation consist only of 10 commandments and all the other commandments are meaningless then you are mislead. That is what the gentiles believe and put out there.

[1dell]

I knew you had no where else to go but the book of Joshua for that and that is my point. These were uncircumcised hebrews. yet they kept torah. Yet IHaWaH still communicated with them, lead them and fellowshipped with them. They STILL did exploits on IHaWaH's behalf WITHOUT being circumcised.

dude, do you NOT think that Ya'aqob, Paul, Kepa, Ishua didn't know this what I am telling you? which is WHY they weren't hung up on circumcision? You hating on Paul then you should hate on Ishua and Ya'aqob too! It was Ya'aqob that gave the mandate NOT to circumcise the gentiles and that they were not to be held to ALL of the laws of Moshe. He was teh HNIC skraight from Yerushalayim.

Lol it trips me out, you kats have a problem with Paul for whatever reason. But thats just like a Black man, hate the dude that's you suppose is in charge. Hell Paul submitted himself to the leaders in Yerushalayim and they taught NOTHING different that he taught. He supported their teachings yet yall attack him because he was the most industrious. It figures

kAH said:

Come on 1dell - do you read the history mang! Here is the scripture on the children after the 40 yr. period in the wilderness...

• Jos 5:5 Now all the people that came out were circumcised: but all the people [that were] born in the wilderness by the way as they came forth out of Egypt, [them] they had not circumcised.
  
• Jos 5:6 For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people [that were] men of war, which came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they obeyed not the voice of the LORD: unto whom the LORD sware that he would not shew them the land, which the LORD sware unto their fathers that he would give us, a land that floweth with milk and honey.
  
• Jos 5:7 And their children, [whom] he raised up in their stead, them Joshua circumcised: for they were uncircumcised, because they had not circumcised them by the way

Does that answer your question ? LOL!!

Off to your nxt point...

You say how is a nation suppose to keep the law if there is no temple ? Dude! you can do better then this. Thats why peeps like PAUL!! A *supposed* hebrew of the tribe of benjamin was suppose to appoint levite priests in those lands of the goyim where the ministry was set up. Temples were to be built (strike this, I mispoke). Outter courts of worship (what we call churchs) were to be built to facilitate places of worship for the gentiles.

[1dell]

Yeah maybe I got you too early bro, cuz you missing a lot of stuff here

there are over 40 commandments here Kah and needless to say not all of them are found in the 10 commandments. Tell me where are the laws of the bondservant found in the 10 commandments? where are the laws relating to sex in the 10 commandents other than adultery? Where are the laws dealing with marital relationships in the 10 commandments that Paul is teaching here? You gotta be KIDDIN ME!!!

What pagan you know is trynna hear about not fornicating?!!!! He was compromising?? Jesus Christ you obviously haven't read the 1 and 2nd corinthians! Paul GOT IN THEM PEOPLES ASSES for breaking torah!!! He is breaking down all KINDS of laws!!! In some cases Paul made torah harder because Torah mostly deals with the outer man but Paul was telling people to control their MINDS, Hearts and SOULS!!! The Torah says eye for eye tooth for tooth. Paul was saying revenge aint cool and forgive those who wronged you!!!!

dayuM! why am i the only one who can see this???

Again this thread was about eating Pork and you said you could show me where Paul said eating pork was cool. YOu haven't done it and you CAN"T do it because Paul NEVER commanded NO one to Eat unclean meats!

kAH said:

man! he aint teaching them to keep no torah in col 3 chp!. He tries to compromise the letter of the law, refining it in such a way it would be readily accepted by the goyim and righteous before God (though he thought it was righteous).

In other words 1dell, Paul taught some of the 10 commandments. The tenets of Paul's doctrine are supported by less then 10 of the original commandments given to men by Moshe. You know like, One G-d, no adultery, help your brethren, etc... . Sabbath was one acception to his teaching. He didnt promote that. There is another one of the 10 commandments ( dont remember off hand).

[kAHANyAH]

what the flying flock! is you speaking about! ? Dude , you sadden me man!...
Dont you get it ? THEY STILL HAD TO BE CIRCUMCISED!! Thats the moral of the story, G-d wants his followers to be circumcised!

1dell said:

I knew you had no where else to go but the book of Joshua for that and that is my point. These were uncircumcised hebrews. yet they kept torah. Yet IHaWaH still communicated with them, lead them and fellowshipped with them. They STILL did exploits on IHaWaH's behalf WITHOUT being circumcised.

dude, do you NOT think that Ya'aqob, Paul, Kepa, Ishua didn't know this what I am telling you? which is WHY they weren't hung up on circumcision? You hating on Paul then you should hate on Ishua and Ya'aqob too! It was Ya'aqob that gave the mandate NOT to circumcise the gentiles and that they were not to be held to ALL of the laws of Moshe. He was teh HNIC skraight from Yerushalayim.

Lol it trips me out, you kats have a problem with Paul for whatever reason. But thats just like a Black man, hate the dude that's you suppose is in charge. Hell Paul submitted himself to the leaders in Yerushalayim and they taught NOTHING different that he taught. He supported their teachings yet yall attack him because he was the most industrious. It figures

[kAHANyAH]

huh! ? law of adultery dealt with the marital relationships. Fornication is drawn from that law. I gotta go back to work! I already showed you where paul said it was kewl to eat pork [meats] because it was recieved by God (the story of Peter).

1dell said:

Yeah maybe I got you too early bro, cuz you missing a lot of stuff here

there are over 40 commandments here Kah and needless to say not all of them are found in the 10 commandments. Tell me where are the laws of the bondservant found in the 10 commandments? where are the laws relating to sex in the 10 commandents other than adultery? Where are the laws dealing with marital relationships in the 10 commandments that Paul is teaching here? You gotta be KIDDIN ME!!!

What pagan you know is trynna hear about not fornicating?!!!! He was compromising?? Jesus Christ you obviously haven't read the 1 and 2nd corinthians! Paul GOT IN THEM PEOPLES ASSES for breaking torah!!! He is breaking down all KINDS of laws!!! In some cases Paul made torah harder because Torah mostly deals with the outer man but Paul was telling people to control their MINDS, Hearts and SOULS!!! The Torah says eye for eye tooth for tooth. Paul was saying revenge aint cool and forgive those who wronged you!!!!

dayuM! why am i the only one who can see this???

Again this thread was about eating Pork and you said you could show me where Paul said eating pork was cool. YOu haven't done it and you CAN"T do it because Paul NEVER commanded NO one to Eat unclean meats!

[1dell]

Dude there you go puttin words in my mouth again. I NEVER said that, if you'd been paying attention I told you before that in Act 15 Ya'aqob mandated that the gentiles be held to 4 groups of commandments because Moshe is taught in the synagogues every shabbat as if to say keep these 4 laws because they make you clean enough to fellowship with and once you are clean enough to enter the synagogue then you can hear the teachings once in the synagogue. And you are accountable for what you hear and know.

"to whom much is given much is required"

thats HOW they were to learn about the Law by learning at the synagogue.

It's quite simple 1nce you put it all together

kAH said:

1dell if you think the hebrew nation consist only of 10 commandments and all the other commandments are meaningless then you are mislead. That is what the gentiles believe and put out there.

[1dell]

lol!!! Now we are getting somewhere. God want's his followers circumcised? yeah? Why? Why is circumcision so important to God Kah? Why is cutting dick meat off an 8 year old so important to the creator of the universe?

kAH said:

what the flying flock! is you speaking about! ? Dude , you sadden me man!...
Dont you get it ? THEY STILL HAD TO BE CIRCUMCISED!! Thats the moral of the story, G-d wants his followers to be circumcised!

[kAHANyAH]

I will give you the esoteric lore on this. The foreskin is known as the Qlippoth [husk]. It is the region in men where the fallen angels/daemons descend and reside. The mucous lining underneath the skin allows for germs and viruses to form. The daemonic forces are your bad germs and viruses. These entities feed and wallow in the lining. Just as the swine wallow in filth - remember christ banned daemoniacs into the swine. The extra-sensory nerves in the foreskin which gives men more *sensation* help feed and evoke those daemonic elements.

Circumcision diminishes the extra-sensory feelings a normal uncircumcised male experiences during sex - Also making him buss a nut far quicker then one who is circumcised. It also eliminates the mucous lining.

And now the exoteric meaning of circumcision ... cleanliness is next to godliness ; circumcision is more hygienic. Harder to catch STDS when compared to an uncircumcised penis. Uncircumcise penises don't have mucous lining (as oppose to an uncircumcised penis). You need mucous lining for viral incubation.

1dell said:

lol!!! Now we are getting somewhere. God want's his followers circumcised? yeah? Why? Why is circumcision so important to God Kah? Why is cutting dick meat off an 8 year old so important to the creator of the universe?

[1dell]

Dude, you trynna tell me that circumcision is something God wants us to do because he wanted us to correct his mistake? Why does man have a foreskin anyway? Cuz God created us like that! So he obviously must not have a problem with uncircumcision or else he would have created us circumcised.

kAH said:

I will give you the esoteric lore on this. The foreskin is known as the Qlippoth [husk]. It is the region in men where the fallen angels/daemons descend and reside. The mucous lining underneath the skin allows for germs and viruses to form. The daemonic forces are your bad germs and viruses. These entities feed and wallow in the lining. Just as the swine wallow in filth - remember christ banned daemoniacs into the swine. The extra-sensory nerves in the foreskin which gives men more *sensation* help feed and evoke those daemonic elements.

Circumcision diminishes the extra-sensory feelings a normal uncircumcised male experiences during sex - Also making him buss a nut far quicker then one who is circumcised. It also eliminates the mucous lining.

And now the exoteric meaning of circumcision ... cleanliness is next to godliness ; circumcision is more hygienic. Harder to catch STDS when compared to an uncircumcised penis. Uncircumcise penises don't have mucous lining (as oppose to an uncircumcised penis). You need mucous lining for viral incubation.

[SatiyaH]

I'm laughing how he thinks someone who is circumcised is less likely than someon un-circumcised to get an STD! That's priceless! A circumcised man does not have a mucous lining? WTF?? Stick something in that little hole at the tip--betcha you'll find a mucous lining
Ever had a peter poke? (test for STD) I obviously haven't, but while at work I have--and they stick this cotton swab up thru your urethra and swab it around the MUCOUS lining--doesn't matter if you're cut or uncut.
Now, an uncut man must practice more precise hygiene techniques such as pulling back the foreskin while urinating and to clean it so as not to trap urine and to clean the smegma--a white secretion of the sebaceous glands of the foreskin.

An improperly performed circumcision, be it by a doctor or Kohen can cause nerve damage that may not be noted until sexual maturity!

Today there is no longer any national or international public health authority in the western world, which advocates routine circumcision.

For years, doctors, parents and religious leaders claimed that newborns felt no pain during the circumcision process. But research conducted over the last decade points to fallacies in this assumption.

According to author and pediatrician Dr. Dean Edell, considerable evidence shows that newborns experience extreme pain and significant stress during a circumcision.

In its March 1999 statement against routine infant circumcision, the 55,000-member American Academy of Pediatricians also declared, for the first time, that pain relief is essential during circumcisions. The task force cited considerable new evidence showing that newborns circumcised without local anesthesia experience significant pain and stress -- as measured by changes in heart rate, blood pressure, and levels of oxygen and stress hormones in the blood.

Pro and anti-circumcision advocates are locked in debate about the hygiene benefits of circumcision. According to a number of physicians, however, cleanliness is not rooted in the removal of the foreskin.

Dr. Paul Fleiss of the University of Southern California Medical Center says the natural penis requires no special care. A child's foreskin, like his eyelids, is self-cleansing. For the same reason it is inadvisable to lift the eyelids and wash the eyeballs, it is inadvisable to retract a child's foreskin and wash the glans. Immersion in plain water during the bath is all that is needed to keep the intact penis clean.

The white emollient under a boy's foreskin, known as smegma, is one of the most misunderstood and unjustifiably maligned substances in nature, says Dr. Thomas J. Ritter. Smegma is clean, not dirty, and is beneficial and necessary. It moisturizes the glans and keeps it smooth, soft, and supple. Its antibacterial and antiviral properties keep the penis clean and healthy. All mammals produce smegma.

Dr. David Kaufman is an assistant professor of clinical urology at Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons. In a 1996 New York Times article, Kaufman said, "If proper hygiene is practiced, all of the potential medical problems can be avoided."

Studies suggest that it is best not to use soap on the glans or foreskin's inner fold. Forcibly retracting and washing a baby's foreskin, he says, destroys the beneficial bacterial flora that protect the penis from harmful germs and can lead to irritation and infection. The best way to care for a child's intact penis is to leave it alone. After puberty, young men can gently rinse their glans and foreskin with warm water, according to their own self-determined needs.

[Ralph]

SatiyaH said:

I'm laughing how he thinks someone who is circumcised is less likely than someon un-circumcised to get an STD! That's priceless! A circumcised man does not have a mucous lining? WTF?? Stick something in that little hole at the tip--betcha you'll find a mucous lining
Ever had a peter poke? (test for STD) I obviously haven't, but while at work I have--and they stick this cotton swab up thru your urethra and swab it around the MUCOUS lining--doesn't matter if you're cut or uncut.
Now, an uncut man must practice more precise hygiene techniques such as pulling back the foreskin while urinating and to clean it so as not to trap urine and to clean the smegma--a white secretion of the sebaceous glands of the foreskin.

An improperly performed circumcision, be it by a doctor or Kohen can cause nerve damage that may not be noted until sexual maturity!

Today there is no longer any national or international public health authority in the western world, which advocates routine circumcision.

For years, doctors, parents and religious leaders claimed that newborns felt no pain during the circumcision process. But research conducted over the last decade points to fallacies in this assumption.

According to author and pediatrician Dr. Dean Edell, considerable evidence shows that newborns experience extreme pain and significant stress during a circumcision.

In its March 1999 statement against routine infant circumcision, the 55,000-member American Academy of Pediatricians also declared, for the first time, that pain relief is essential during circumcisions. The task force cited considerable new evidence showing that newborns circumcised without local anesthesia experience significant pain and stress -- as measured by changes in heart rate, blood pressure, and levels of oxygen and stress hormones in the blood.

Pro and anti-circumcision advocates are locked in debate about the hygiene benefits of circumcision. According to a number of physicians, however, cleanliness is not rooted in the removal of the foreskin.

Dr. Paul Fleiss of the University of Southern California Medical Center says the natural penis requires no special care. A child's foreskin, like his eyelids, is self-cleansing. For the same reason it is inadvisable to lift the eyelids and wash the eyeballs, it is inadvisable to retract a child's foreskin and wash the glans. Immersion in plain water during the bath is all that is needed to keep the intact penis clean.

The white emollient under a boy's foreskin, known as smegma, is one of the most misunderstood and unjustifiably maligned substances in nature, says Dr. Thomas J. Ritter. Smegma is clean, not dirty, and is beneficial and necessary. It moisturizes the glans and keeps it smooth, soft, and supple. Its antibacterial and antiviral properties keep the penis clean and healthy. All mammals produce smegma.

Dr. David Kaufman is an assistant professor of clinical urology at Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons. In a 1996 New York Times article, Kaufman said, "If proper hygiene is practiced, all of the potential medical problems can be avoided."

Studies suggest that it is best not to use soap on the glans or foreskin's inner fold. Forcibly retracting and washing a baby's foreskin, he says, destroys the beneficial bacterial flora that protect the penis from harmful germs and can lead to irritation and infection. The best way to care for a child's intact penis is to leave it alone. After puberty, young men can gently rinse their glans and foreskin with warm water, according to their own self-determined needs.

Yeah,after 45 years, I am still traumatized from mine.....
I used to work in a Med/surg clinic. One of my boys had his thang circumcised, so we all chipped in and purchased some Players mags for him, and hide his ammo nitrate.
I also worked in a clinic where we circumcised babies. Easy process. YOu find the right sized cupling, put the foreskin around it, then do what you have to do. In the military, the tech assisting can do the work. So I did my 25 or more. No big deal to a small baby. Anybody who is circumsized looking to sue their pediatrician?