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Post by kAHANyAH on May 31, 2004 11:59:10 GMT -5
I am asking you. Let me ask again.... The letter written by Paul to the men of colossia, were these men keepers of the law of Moshe or were they not keeping the law of Moshe ?You can answer the above question for me. Thank you.  Are you telling me or are you asking me? |
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Post by 1dell on May 31, 2004 12:03:25 GMT -5
Nevermind I see what you are saying:
ok I'll play along:
He is speaking to both but in that particular passage when he is refering to uncircumcized in flesh he is speaking to gentiles.
come on wit it
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Post by 1dell on May 31, 2004 12:05:05 GMT -5
It's like this bro These gentiles were LEARNING the Torah. I am not going to say Law of Moshe per se but the LAW of God I am asking you. Let me ask again.... The letter written by Paul to the men of colossia, were these men keepers of the law of Moshe or were they not keeping the law of Moshe ?You can answer the above question for me. Thank you. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 31, 2004 12:13:00 GMT -5
LOL!! I got you scrambling for cover cause you know i'm 'bout to unleash and lob me some MOABs on ya punk!. Don't worry I have yet to unload my heavy artillery on yo punk mofo azz!. I like how you tried and play safe by saying "He was speaking to both..." but do you honestly think that will save you  . Paul conditions his letter, in order to make it clear who he is speaking to. Here is the verse... Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; As you can see the above conditions who he is writing the letter to. To those who were *uncircumcised*. Okay, before we continue can I get an affirmation from you ? Can I get an Amen ?  Nevermind I see what you are saying: ok I'll play along: He is speaking to both but in that particular passage when he is refering to uncircumcized in flesh he is speaking to gentiles. come on wit it |
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Post by 1dell on May 31, 2004 13:06:57 GMT -5
ok I am back from lunch break: dude you'ont remember when I said this: LOL!! I got you scrambling for cover cause you know i'm 'bout to unleash and lob me some MOABs on ya punk!. Don't worry I have yet to unload my heavy artillery on yo punk mofo azz!. I like how you tried and play safe by saying "He was speaking to both..." but do you honestly think that will save you . Paul conditions his letter, in order to make it clear who he is speaking to. Here is the verse... Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; As you can see the above conditions who he is writing the letter to. To those who were *uncircumcised*. Okay, before we continue can I get an affirmation from you ? Can I get an Amen ? |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 31, 2004 13:35:57 GMT -5
GOOOD, GOOOOOODDDDD!. Now I am bout to lob them bombs on ya. ASS WHOOPIN EXPRESSO!!! ok in that same letter to the "uncircumcised" men of colossia, which btw..., you confirmed these were the uncircumcised gentiles, he says the following,
Col 2.16, Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Is he not saying that the gentiles need not worry about man who want to judge them according to the law, like they need not worry about keeping the sabbath, observing new moons, holydays and dietary meats ?  ok I am back from lunch break: dude you'ont remember when I said this:
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Post by 1dell on May 31, 2004 13:39:13 GMT -5
No kah is not saying they need not worry about the Law. The way you asked the question was tricky man!!!  he is speaking to gentiles but he is not saying they need not worry about the Laws of the Hebrews. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 31, 2004 13:44:28 GMT -5
LOL!! 1dell, lets try again. We already agree the letter is written to uncircumcised gentiles. And we both know there were men of torah back in that day who use to go 'round condemning gentiles for their lifestyle. And they did so by reciting the law of Moshe unto them. Remember, after christ departed from the scene there were factions within the jewish faith who were adament about the gentiles not coming into the fold. And they made it their business to go out and preach against the grafting of these people into the convenant. Now , that particular insert in the letter, here it is again... Col 2.13 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: You see where it says "let no man JUDGE you...". 1dell you are a bright chap, how does one judge another ? Is it not according to some type of law ? No kah is not saying they need not worry about the Law. The way you asked the question was tricky man!!! he is speaking to gentiles but he is not saying they need not worry about the Laws of the Hebrews. |
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Post by 1dell on May 31, 2004 13:48:09 GMT -5
Kah, what do you want me to say to this please get to the point you taking too long on the build up. climax nilga climax! Dayumm I ansaar your questions and you still don't get to the point. i figured I'd play along so we can see where you are going. You complained that I didn't and now that I do still nothing. Come on man, what is your point? LOL!! 1dell, lets try again. We already agree the letter is written to uncircumcised gentiles. And we both know there were men of torah back in that day who use to go 'round condemning gentiles for their lifestyle. And they did so by reciting the law of Moshe unto them. Remember, after christ departed from the scene there were factions within the jewish faith who were adament about the gentiles not coming into the fold. And they made it their business to go out and preach against the grafting of these people into the convenant. Now , that particular insert in the letter, here it is again... Col 2.13 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: You see where it says "let no man JUDGE you...". 1dell you are a bright chap, how does one judge another ? Is it not according to some type of law ? |
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Post by 1dell on May 31, 2004 13:50:14 GMT -5
like I told you when I was christian I was taught that this scripture meant that it was ok not to keep the law of moshe no moor and that Paul was teaching that. But after much research. I don't agree with that anymoor. So can we move on to the next point? LOL!! 1dell, lets try again. We already agree the letter is written to uncircumcised gentiles. And we both know there were men of torah back in that day who use to go 'round condemning gentiles for their lifestyle. And they did so by reciting the law of Moshe unto them. Remember, after christ departed from the scene there were factions within the jewish faith who were adament about the gentiles not coming into the fold. And they made it their business to go out and preach against the grafting of these people into the convenant. Now , that particular insert in the letter, here it is again... Col 2.13 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: You see where it says "let no man JUDGE you...". 1dell you are a bright chap, how does one judge another ? Is it not according to some type of law ? |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 31, 2004 13:53:13 GMT -5
Heres is the point, the letter to the colossians was to build their faith and let them know not to feel condemned by the "holier then thou" men going around telling them if they dont keep the sabbath, or the high holydays or eat the right clean meats they would perish. The colossian letter was to the uncircumcised men of Colossia, men who were not under the law. And the letter was letting them know, they were not obligated to keep the law. The men that sent this letter , guess what - Paul was part of their ministry and paul had no problem with that teaching. I could go on and show you how you contradicted yourself claiming these men the letter was written to were keepers of the law. But I'll save that for another time. This is too much azz whoopin for you to bear. Kah, what do you want me to say to this please get to the point you taking too long on the build up. climax nilga climax! Dayumm I ansaar your questions and you still don't get to the point. i figured I'd play along so we can see where you are going. You complained that I didn't and now that I do still nothing. Come on man, what is your point? |
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Post by 1dell on May 31, 2004 13:56:10 GMT -5
Ok Kah, not it's not about that not at all, just the opposite. So now what? It was written to men who kept the law. Now what? Heres is the point, the letter to the colossians was to build their faith and let them know not to feel condemned by the "holier then thou" men going around telling them if they dont keep the sabbath, or the high holydays or eat the right clean meats they would perish. The colossian letter was to the uncircumcised men of Colossia, men who were not under the law. And the letter was letting them know, they were not obligated to keep the law. The men that sent this letter , guess what - Paul was part of their ministry and paul had no problem with that teaching. I could go on and show you how you contradicted yourself claiming these men the letter was written to were keepers of the law. But I'll save that for another time. This is too much azz whoopin for you to bear. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 31, 2004 13:58:12 GMT -5
No we cannot move to the next level cause you cannot prove paul was against this form of doctrine - a doctrine which gave license unto gentiles not to keep the law. Show me where paul asserts all men mus keep the law. From my knowledge, Paul catered to both sides. If you were a jew, hey keep it! That was paul's feelings. he aint got a problem to one who adhered to the law. Paul also was like , if you a grecian , uncircumcised, all good! you can still come to the church like that. Thats your paul. Proud of him ? like I told you when I was christian I was taught that this scripture meant that it was ok not to keep the law of moshe no moor and that Paul was teaching that. But after much research. I don't agree with that anymoor. So can we move on to the next point? |
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Post by kAHANyAH on May 31, 2004 14:02:04 GMT -5
We goin backwards again! I thought I got yo punk ass to admit the letter was written to uncircumcised men. Here are your freggin words [comin back to bite yo punk mofo azz!]... 1dell says : "He is speaking to both but in that particular passage when he is refering to uncircumcized in flesh he is speaking to gentiles." 1dell now says : "It was written to men who kept the law. Now what? "Final analysis, 1dell is a confused brother who changes his stance every time priest kah put a whoopin on him Ok Kah, not it's not about that not at all, just the opposite. So now what? It was written to men who kept the law. Now what? |
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Post by 1dell on May 31, 2004 14:09:57 GMT -5
ok, I have an idea. I will do this in interview style. I will let you ask the questions and I will ansaar the questions:
Lets go to Colossians chapter 3 where we see Paul keeping them to the law of MOshe:
Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, [who is] our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Col 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.[/u]
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Col 3:10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: (image of God? hmm you need Torah to know that man was created in the image of God particularly a book of Moshe called B'reshit)
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.
Col 3:12 pPut on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also [do] ye.
Col 3:14 And above all these things [put on] charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
Col 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. (dayum!!! they musta had the scriptures to be admonishing each other with psalms and hymns)
Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Col 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
Col 3:19 Husbands, love [your] wives, and be not bitter against them.
Col 3:20 Children, obey [your] parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.
Col 3:21 Fathers, provoke not your children [to anger], lest they be discouraged.
Col 3:22 Servants, obey in all things [your] masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:
Col 3:23 And whatsoever ye do, do [it] heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
Col 3:24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. (Uh Oh!!! theres that word Inheritance Amos was talking about)
Col 3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.
How does one know what wrong is if there is no Torah. Kah if you like I can reference each and everyone of these commands to torah if you life.
These are ALL the foundation of the Law of Moshe, what is moor these are the foundations of the teachings of Ishua.
What da prollem is?
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