The Creation Account

[CoUrTnEy]

yes that is what i am saying.. and i am not the only one that says so.. look again at what 1dell said:

But before man was PLACED into the garden he was outisde the garden in a place that was east.

also if eve was "mother of all", then how could there be another?? she would be called "one of the mothers of all"

one last time.. im done.. we both know our positions and you aren't going to change my mind unless you have something of value to show me, and so far i haven't seen it.

kAH said:

okay so youre saying eden is not in genesis the 1st. chp. And in fact, gen 1 chp. is outside the garden while gen 2 chp. is inside the garden.

Now here's your problem [contradicting what you initially claimed - the couple of genesis one is the same as genesis 2]...

The male and female were created in the sixth day - are you telling me these two NEVER walked into the garden in the first chapter ?

[CoUrTnEy]

im kinda disappointed in you Kah- it's not about slam dunking people. not even with york.. it's about putting out good information..

kAH said:

awww man! i was just about to do the SLAM DUNK!

[kAHANyAH]

Hey courtney I am not tryin to change your mind. Only you can do that. I was only showing the contradiction in what you are saying. How can the two couples [male, female - Adam, Eve] of chapters 1 and 2 be the same when YOU ADMITTED the first chp in genesis did not deal with a Garden of Eden. It didnt exist in that chp. This is what you said.

Anyhow, the subject is now laid to rest........... unless someone tries to get in a last word .

CoUrTnEy said:

yes that is what i am saying.. and i am not the only one that says so.. look again at what 1dell said:



also if eve was "mother of all", then how could there be another?? she would be called "one of the mothers of all"

one last time.. im done.. we both know our positions and you aren't going to change my mind unless you have something of value to show me, and so far i haven't seen it.

[kAHANyAH]

im sorry. It was a knee jerk reaction from your earlier remark ---> "go back and look .. i didnt change any of my posts.. i never disagreed with outside/inside issue.. that's why i couldnt figure out why in the world you were asking those silly questions.. "

can we both say : touche ?

CoUrTnEy said:

im kinda disappointed in you Kah- it's not about slam dunking people. not even with york.. it's about putting out good information..

[CoUrTnEy]

because they were in two different places. one place in chapter 1 and one place in chapter two.. period. it's pretty simple. too often people try to make things more complicated than what they are, and that is what you are doing..

kAH said:

Hey courtney I am not tryin to change your mind. Only you can do that. I was only showing the contradiction in what you are saying. How can the two couples [male, female - Adam, Eve] of chapters 1 and 2 be the same when YOU ADMITTED the first chp in genesis did not deal with a Garden of Eden. It did exist in that chp. This is what you said.

Anyhow, the subject is now laid to rest........... unless someone tries to get in a last word .

[CoUrTnEy]

it was silly when you were arguing one point that i actually agreed with you on.

kAH said:

im sorry. It was a knee jerk reaction from your earlier remark ---> "go back and look .. i didnt change any of my posts.. i never disagreed with outside/inside issue.. that's why i couldnt figure out why in the world you were asking those silly questions.. "

can we both say : touche ?

[kAHANyAH]

not so fast courney love. The man and woman were created in the sixth day. the sixth day is part of a seven days of creation we read about in the first chapter. God rested on the seventh day and this rest was a completion of his CREATION. Now....

Where in the seven days of creation in the first chp. of genesis is the garden of eden ? It has to be there if the two couples are the same. Now if it doesnt exist in the first chp. (for whatever reason) which you also admit to then that would mean, ITS NOT PART OF THE SEVEN DAYS OF CREATION WHERE GOD WAS CREATING.

If you still claim its part of the seven days of creation, show me where during the seven days did the man and woman ENTER the garden. It must be there cause the entire chp. speaks of a creation which took seven days and everything that is suppose to be included must be within those seven days.

Okay.

CoUrTnEy said:

because they were in two different places. one place in chapter 1 and one place in chapter two.. period. it's pretty simple. too often people try to make things more complicated than what they are, and that is what you are doing..

[kAHANyAH]

had you told me you agreed on my point, i dont think i would have continued explainin that point cause it would have been moot. But if you say you agree yet I find somewhere in your writing that is contrare then I will point it out. Maybe thats what happened.

also, a silly question is one NOT ASKED!

CoUrTnEy said:

it was silly when you were arguing one point that i actually agreed with you on.

[1dell]

Well then slam dunk me then bro. I am on courtney's side on this one. If I innerstand you correctly you are saying that the Male and female in 1:26 are different then the people chapter 2? Oh kah say it aint so bro! We've been thru too much for you to slip thru the cracks like that! Derek comes on the board and hits you upside your head with misinfo a few times and now you ready to side with the cat? sigh. It's no matter, we have crossed blades before:

www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1080324726-9946.html#27

Here you can see the hebrew of the words being used in 1:26

And God created ADAM (man) in his image in the image of God created he them, male (Zakar) & female (Neqabah) created he them.

Then in chapter 2 we get some greater inside into this Adam character and his female. LIke picture in a picture on them high tech televisions.

Hey bro. why can't this have happened in the 6th day. We already know that days of creation weren't 24 literal hours but were actually ages of time.

I guess you saying since the 6th day met the Most High's approval "and he saw that it was good" that this deed was infact not good then it couldn't have happened on the 6th. I might tend to agree with you, but we have to reckon the 7th day my friend of 6 years. we know on the 7th day that IHaWaH Alhiym rested FROM his creation. Which means he left it to itself for an age. He left his creation instructions, then rests from it. Then we find in Chapter 3 He returns. The couple hears his voice walking in the garden doing the cool of the day (evening) which would be the start of the 8th day.

Come back at me Kah, I wanna see how we can build this thang arightly

kAH said:

awww man! i was just about to do the SLAM DUNK!

[kAHANyAH]

1dell i have held to the 2 creation theory for quite some time now. And I recall us speaking on this before. Knaxem did not influence me in no shape or form (save for the hebrew theft part. I neglected to see the "spoil" word in the script. In a level he has a valid argument). Just wanted to set that record straight.

This is what I am saying, Gen 1.28 tells us the "male and female" who were created in the same sixth day a commandment was given, the command to be fruitful and multiply. We know in the second chp. of genesis the first time of fruitfullness is OUTSIDE the garden. Thats ONE SCORE verifying where the "male and female" were when they were fruitfully multiplying.

But before I cont., let me ask you the same question I asked courtney - was the male and female in the garden [gan] in the sixth day ?

1dell said:

Well then slam dunk me then bro. I am on courtney's side on this one. If I innerstand you correctly you are saying that the Male and female in 1:26 are different then the people chapter 2? Oh kah say it aint so bro! We've been thru too much for you to slip thru the cracks like that! Derek comes on the board and hits you upside your head with misinfo a few times and now you ready to side with the cat? sigh. It's no matter, we have crossed blades before:

www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1080324726-9946.html#27

Here you can see the hebrew of the words being used in 1:26

And God created ADAM (man) in his image in the image of God created he them, male (Zakar) & female (Neqabah) created he them.

Then in chapter 2 we get some greater inside into this Adam character and his female. LIke picture in a picture on them high tech televisions.

Hey bro. why can't this have happened in the 6th day. We already know that days of creation weren't 24 literal hours but were actually ages of time.

I guess you saying since the 6th day met the Most High's approval "and he saw that it was good" that this deed was infact not good then it couldn't have happened on the 6th. I might tend to agree with you, but we have to reckon the 7th day my friend of 6 years. we know on the 7th day that IHaWaH Alhiym rested FROM his creation. Which means he left it to itself for an age. He left his creation instructions, then rests from it. Then we find in Chapter 3 He returns. The couple hears his voice walking in the garden doing the cool of the day (evening) which would be the start of the 8th day.

Come back at me Kah, I wanna see how we can build this thang arightly

[1dell]

Yeah, the gan aden is giving us detail into the 6th day.

Dude that is why brought up the manifold laws:

Let us not forget the manifold laws :
1) Be fruitful
2) Multiply
3) fill the earth
4) Subdue it
5) have dominion over the creation
6) Eat the vegetation and fruitation with the seeds within itself
7) eat not of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

They had a lot to do. lol They eventually got to the be fruitful part. But then again if you ask me, well nevermind.... Adam was 130 years old when he begot Set, Set was 105 years old when he begot Enosh. Obviously these cats weren't in no hurry to be fruitful. LOL. Besides taking into consideration don't you think they would need to undergo a learning process? I mean were they created knowing everything they should know? Nevermind. beside see we are about to start this bible study and I don't want to get into some stuff now because I will basically be retyping ish.

Peace bro.

kAH said:

1dell i have held to the 2 creation theory for quite some time now. And I recall us speaking on this before. Knaxem did not influence me in no shape or form (save for the hebrew theft part. I neglected to see the "spoil" word in the script. In a level he has a valid argument). Just wanted to set that record straight.

This is what I am saying, Gen 1.28 tells us the "male and female" who were created in the same sixth day a commandment was given, the command to be fruitful and multiply. We know in the second chp. of genesis the first time of fruitfullness is OUTSIDE the garden. Thats ONE SCORE verifying where the "male and female" were when they were fruitfully multiplying.

But before I cont., let me ask you the same question I asked courtney - was the male and female in the garden [gan] in the sixth day ?

[kAHANyAH]

lets take it a notch up. Ante up the pot a bit. So basically youre saying the first original command of genesis 1st chp. - "be fruitful and multiply" was to be adhered to INSIDE THE GARDEN. This is what youre saying. Now... Lets foward wind into the new testament....

Matthew 22.30, For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

According to Christ, the children of the resurrection do not engage in marriage, therefor do not engage in sex, therefor do not engage in fulfilling the command found in the first chp. genesis - "be fruitful and multiply". Do you agree wit this ? I wanna stop here and lay some ground work before I start DROPPING THE MOAB BOMBS

1dell said:

Yeah, the gan aden is giving us detail into the 6th day.

Dude that is why brought up the manifold laws:

Let us not forget the manifold laws :
1) Be fruitful
2) Multiply
3) fill the earth
4) Subdue it
5) have dominion over the creation
6) Eat the vegetation and fruitation with the seeds within itself
7) eat not of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

They had a lot to do. lol They eventually got to the be fruitful part. But then again if you ask me, well nevermind.... Adam was 130 years old when he begot Set, Set was 105 years old when he begot Enosh. Obviously these cats weren't in no hurry to be fruitful. LOL. Besides taking into consideration don't you think they would need to undergo a learning process? I mean were they created knowing everything they should know? Nevermind. beside see we are about to start this bible study and I don't want to get into some stuff now because I will basically be retyping ish.

Peace bro.

[1dell]

LOL Moab bombs? LOLOL!!

Dude I am saying they were told to fill the EARTH. What was man put in the garden for? He could have fulfilled many of them commands inside the garden.

Who knows how long he was supposed to be in the garden. Who knows if sex was the original method of multiplication. I mean you are no stranger to the fact that N'kash and Khawah had sex in the garden.

Dude before you drop that bomb are you saying that Angels in Heaven don't have sex? or are you saying they don't marry?

come wit it shawdy depending on how you ansaar that will depend which bomb I drop on dat ass the Boaz or the Jachin bomb! KAAAADDDOOOOOSSSHH!!!

kAH said:

lets take it a notch up. Ante up the pot a bit. So basically youre saying the first original command of genesis 1st chp. - "be fruitful and multiply" was to be adhered to INSIDE THE GARDEN. This is what youre saying. Now... Lets foward wind into the new testament....

Matthew 22.30, For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

According to Christ, the children of the resurrection do not engage in marriage, therefor do not engage in sex, therefor do not engage in fulfilling the command found in the first chp. genesis - "be fruitful and multiply". Do you agree wit this ? I wanna stop here and lay some ground work before I start DROPPING THE MOAB BOMBS

[kAHANyAH]

i detect 1dell KNOWS!! where i am goin wit this cause he is quivering in the knees!!! .

A'ight, the angels. Do they have sex ? Fallen angels do 1dell and I know you know this - [ref., Gen 6.1]. But do the angels IN HEAVEN HAVE SEX ? NO. The scripture is clear. THEY DO NOT MARRY! and sex is ONLY LAWFULLY ALLOWED IN MARRIAGE. You know this 1dell!!

I swear by all the gods of babel! Im gonna make you admit [atleast partially admit] my position in this thread is correct by nites end .

Here is what paul says about sex and when it is allowed...

Hebrews 13.4, Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

When you finish digesting this good stuff! i want you to re answer my question. Was there fruitful multiplying in the garden ? And then to add some smack down, when god brought Eve unto Adam and he declared she was bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh, were they married ?

1dell said:

LOL Moab bombs? LOLOL!!

Dude I am saying they were told to fill the EARTH. What was man put in the garden for? He could have fulfilled many of them commands inside the garden.

Who knows how long he was supposed to be in the garden. Who knows if sex was the original method of multiplication. I mean you are no stranger to the fact that N'kash and Khawah had sex in the garden.

Dude before you drop that bomb are you saying that Angels in Heaven don't have sex? or are you saying they don't marry?

come wit it shawdy depending on how you ansaar that will depend which bomb I drop on dat ass the Boaz or the Jachin bomb! KAAAADDDOOOOOSSSHH!!!

[1dell]

lol, this is fun. LOLOL!!

Bro, Eve was his wife so says this:

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.


Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

What is marriage bro? It's a covenant, a contract that is sealed in blood. That blood would be Adam's rib.

Dude I'll admit to the truth. And if you are asking me if they were being fruitful in the garden, they didn't have children in the garden but they did get busy when their eyes were opened.

Imma leave this open without detail cuz you are itching to show your hand so come with it

kAH said:

i detect 1dell KNOWS!! where i am goin wit this cause he is quivering in the knees!!! .

A'ight, the angels. Do they have sex ? Fallen angels do 1dell and I know you know this - [ref., Gen 6.1]. But do the angels IN HEAVEN HAVE SEX ? NO. The scripture is clear. THEY DO NOT MARRY! and sex is ONLY LAWFULLY ALLOWED IN MARRIAGE. You know this 1dell!!

I swear by all the gods of babel! Im gonna make you admit [atleast partially admit] my position in this thread is correct by nites end .

Here is what paul says about sex and when it is allowed...

Hebrews 13.4, Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

When you finish digesting this good stuff! i want you to re answer my question. Was there fruitful multiplying in the garden ? And then to add some smack down, when god brought Eve unto Adam and he declared she was bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh, were they married ?