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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 25, 2004 23:09:17 GMT -5
courtney at this point i am wondering if you are really reading what I am posting. Number one, thorns and thistles is apart from herbs thats why the verse mentions all. Number two. I never said they were in the garden. THATS WHAT I AM TRYIN TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THE GENESIS 1 TALE IS OUTSIDE THE GARDEN. AND GENESIS 2 TALE IS INSIDE THE GARDEN. GENESIS 1 DEALS WITH AFTER THE FALL OF MAN GENESIS 2 DEALS WITH BEFORE THE FALL OF MAN. I am drained out on this topic. I cant put out any mooooooooooo  they may both have the WORD herb.. but we are talking about two diff kinds.. the thorns and thistles were mentioned AFTER God had cursed the ground.. and again thorns and thistles invoke a negative image.. therefore such a thing wouldnt have been in the garden of eden... and once more. you are trying to prove the bible is erroneous and has more than one creation account.. so the burden of proof is on you. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 25, 2004 23:11:10 GMT -5
Wow, did I miss something? Can somebody catch me up?
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 25, 2004 23:13:15 GMT -5
Hell no!  lol!!!!!!!!! Wow, did I miss something? Can somebody catch me up? |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 25, 2004 23:13:49 GMT -5
lol! ok I guess I have to read up then.  Hell no! lol!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 25, 2004 23:16:08 GMT -5
ya damn skippy!  lol! ok I guess I have to read up then. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 25, 2004 23:33:40 GMT -5
one would not necessarily logically draw that conclusion. i have read it and it seems that it makes more sense what i previously posted about it being a literary technique and what 1dell said about ch 1 being creation of the solar system and ch2 about the garden of eden.. one is an overview and the other is the details. that makes more sense to me that what you have just stated.. no offence kah  now look at what YOU said: so all you just did was come right back around to what i was saying in the beginning. ch 1 outside of the garden (the solar system) and ch 2 the inside the garden (garden of eden) |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 25, 2004 23:35:26 GMT -5
We will cover these things in our thru the bible study. But before man was PLACED into the garden he was outisde the garden in a place that was east. My question is why did Adam name is wife Eve/khawah, whilst they were still in the garden, they didn't get expelled until after. He named her thus because she was the Mother of all living. We are then left later to wrestle with the question, where did Qayin/Cain get his wife, if there were only 2 males and 1 female minus 1 male. Let us not forget the manifold laws : 1) Be fruitful 2) Multiply 3) fill the earth 4) Subdue it 5) have dominion over the creation 6) Eat the vegetation and fruitation with the seeds within itself 7) eat not of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. My question is if Adam and Khawah are the first 2 human prototypes, then who is it that Qayin is afraid of that will kill him when they meet him? Peep this coutney... in the first chp acct. of creation, "male and female" are commanded to be "fruitful and multiply". In the second chp. acct. of creation Adam and Eve have their first child OUTSIDE THE GARDEN, after the expulsion. They are being "fruitful and multiply" after getting kicked out. What does this mean ? ALOT! It means , the genesis acct. in the first chp. took place OUTSIDE THE GARDEN OF EDEN while the sec. chp. acct. takes place INSIDE THE GARDEN. Two DIFFERENT CREATION TALES. food for thought. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 25, 2004 23:52:50 GMT -5
also look at what i said again: overview=outside=chapter 1 details=inside=chapter 2 so what is it that you are arguing kah since you have admitted that chapter 1 & 2 are separate sections of 1 story?? and i said it was the outside on chapter 1 from the start.. i think you just misunderstood what i was disagreeing with.. and that whole thing about children didnt even come about in chapter 1 or two.. it came about AFTER that.. plus what 1dell is saying about them being outside before they were place in the garden-perhaps it is not the same "outside" as in chapter 3.so to clarify what i disagreed with you about was that it was two different creation stories-my point was that it is two parts of a whole.. not two different wholes.. now look at what YOU said: so all you just did was come right back around to what i was saying in the beginning. ch 1 outside of the garden (the solar system) and ch 2 the inside the garden (garden of eden) |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 26, 2004 5:16:49 GMT -5
courtney come on now, you didnt agree wit what i was saying when i was raising questions and showing you the logic of chp. 2 involving inside the garden and chp. 1 outside the garden , but now you agree ?  . courtney what I am saying is both chapters are DISTINCT ACCOUNTS. Theyre not the same. The second chp. there was default in the original plan of creation. In the first chp. there were no defaults in its original plan of creation. Two totally different creation tales. And to make matters more interesting, 2nd. chapter refers to a particular man and woman as ADAM AND EVE. In the 1 st. chp. its ZAKAR and NEQEBAH [male, female]. Two couples; Two different couples. And here is the BOMBSHELL.... The "male and female" are brought back into the genesis acct. in genesis the FIFTH CHAPTER!! Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. This is waaaayyy after the expulsion!! and its when they have their replacement son SETH!!!!!! It now makes sense why in the first chp. God said "it was good" at the end of the six day cause what was good was the repair and replacement of what happened to abel and the default inside the garden. The genesis 1st. chp , sixth day is the story of the sethian [seth the son] bloodline. READ THE ENTIRE 5TH CHP. OF GENESIS. also look at what i said again: overview=outside=chapter 1 details=inside=chapter 2 so what is it that you are arguing kah since you have admitted that chapter 1 & 2 are separate sections of 1 story?? and i said it was the outside on chapter 1 from the start.. i think you just misunderstood what i was disagreeing with.. and that whole thing about children didnt even come about in chapter 1 or two.. it came about AFTER that.. plus what 1dell is saying about them being outside before they were place in the garden-perhaps it is not the same "outside" as in chapter 3.so to clarify what i disagreed with you about was that it was two different creation stories-my point was that it is two parts of a whole.. not two different wholes.. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 26, 2004 8:57:00 GMT -5
go back and look .. i didnt change any of my posts.. i never disagreed with outside/inside issue.. that's why i couldnt figure out why in the world you were asking those silly questions.. my issue was the "two different creation stories".. two couples?? pulease. go back and read.. i said the 1 chapter was the solar system=outside the garden and the 2nd chapter =the garden of eden.. so where was i not agreeing with that?? you simply misunderstood what part of your statement i was disagreeing with. maybe 1dell would be better at explaining how your arguement is erroneous.. he's got more knowledge than i do on the subject. courtney come on now, you didnt agree wit what i was saying when i was raising questions and showing you the logic of chp. 2 involving inside the garden and chp. 1 outside the garden , but now you agree ? . courtney what I am saying is both chapters are DISTINCT ACCOUNTS. Theyre not the same. The second chp. there was default in the original plan of creation. In the first chp. there were no defaults in its original plan of creation. Two totally different creation tales. And to make matters more interesting, 2nd. chapter refers to a particular man and woman as ADAM AND EVE. In the 1 st. chp. its ZAKAR and NEQEBAH [male, female]. Two couples; Two different couples. And here is the BOMBSHELL.... The "male and female" are brought back into the genesis acct. in genesis the FIFTH CHAPTER!! Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. This is waaaayyy after the expulsion!! and its when they have their replacement son SETH!!!!!! It now makes sense why in the first chp. God said "it was good" at the end of the six day cause what was good was the repair and replacement of what happened to abel and the default inside the garden. The genesis 1st. chp , sixth day is the story of the sethian [seth the son] bloodline. READ THE ENTIRE 5TH CHP. OF GENESIS. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 26, 2004 9:23:20 GMT -5
courtney the confusion begins in POST 81. In your reply post 82 , you disagreed with me. courtney if chp 1 is outside the garden and chp 2 is inside the garden and chp 1 [sixth day] man is created then I AM ASKING YOU, are you saying the garden of eden is NOT IN CHAPTER ONE ACCT. OF CREATION ? I wanna make sure i hear you correct. go back and look .. i didnt change any of my posts.. i never disagreed with outside/inside issue.. that's why i couldnt figure out why in the world you were asking those silly questions.. my issue was the "two different creation stories".. two couples?? pulease. go back and read.. i said the 1 chapter was the solar system=outside the garden and the 2nd chapter =the garden of eden.. so where was i not agreeing with that?? you simply misunderstood what part of your statement i was disagreeing with. maybe 1dell would be better at explaining how your arguement is erroneous.. he's got more knowledge than i do on the subject. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 26, 2004 9:27:58 GMT -5
not in a detailed sense.. it is in the aspect that it is part of the cosmos.. but only in a general sense..my position is clear.. let me explain it one other way- ch 1 he forms the cosmos; ch 2 he fills it. courtney the confusion begins in POST 81. In your reply post 82 , you disagreed with me. courtney if chp 1 is outside the garden and chp 2 is inside the garden and chp 1 [sixth day] man is created then I AM ASKING YOU, are you saying the garden of eden is NOT IN CHAPTER ONE ACCT. OF CREATION ? I wanna make sure i hear you correct. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 26, 2004 9:59:09 GMT -5
never thought of it that way, but i guess it can.. im done with this arguement.. we know my position and we know yours. 1dell would be much more suited to box with you on this issue. I have what i want to say in my head- im just not as good at expressing those thoughts outwardly.
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 26, 2004 10:01:49 GMT -5
okay so youre saying eden is not in genesis the 1st. chp. And in fact, gen 1 chp. is outside the garden while gen 2 chp. is inside the garden. Now here's your problem [contradicting what you initially claimed - the couple of genesis one is the same as genesis 2]... The male and female were created in the sixth day - are you telling me these two NEVER walked into the garden in the first chapter ? not in a detailed sense.. it is in the aspect that it is part of the cosmos.. but only in a general sense..my position is clear.. let me explain it one other way- ch 1 he forms the cosmos; ch 2 he fills it. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 26, 2004 10:03:25 GMT -5
awww man! i was just about to do the SLAM DUNK! never thought of it that way, but i guess it can.. im done with this arguement.. we know my position and we know yours. 1dell would be much more suited to box with you on this issue. I have what i want to say in my head- im just not as good at expressing those thoughts outwardly. |
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