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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 25, 2004 22:14:31 GMT -5
okay kewl. so now wit your line of logic, that would mean in day six of chp. 1 creation tale, Eve and Adam were in the garden as well as outside the garden. Correct ? |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 25, 2004 22:16:45 GMT -5
that's with your line of logic-not mine.. i never said they were outside on the 6th day- you just did. just because he SAID be fruitful and multiply doesnt mean they actually did multiply on that day. your logic is assuming they multiplied on the same day they were commanded to.. notice i said assuming.. based on the fact that it would be rediculous to put two creation stories in the bible it makes no sense what you are saying.. logic would say that they didnt actually multiply until ch 2 when they were outside eden. okay kewl. so now wit your line of logic, that would mean in day six of chp. 1 creation tale, Eve and Adam were in the garden as well as outside the garden. Correct ? |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 25, 2004 22:23:30 GMT -5
courtney we gotta slow down here cause we cannot forget what we initially established. You agreed eve had her first child outside the garden. And you also agree this lady named eve of the 2nd. chp is the same woman we find in the first chp. which means the first child of the "male and female" who were commanded to be fruitful and multiply had to have happened outside the garden. Remember Eve HAD HER FIRST CHILD OUTSIDE THE GARDEN. Okay now here is where the confusion comes in. Adam and Eve or the first male and female were created in the SIXth day. Do you concur wit this ? They were commanded to be fruitful and multiply in the sixth day, do you agree with this ? once we clear this up then my nxt post should bring it full cipher. that's with your line of logic-not mine.. i never said they were outside on the 6th day- you just did. just because he SAID be fruitful and multiply doesnt mean they actually did multiply on that day. your logic is assuming they multiplied on the same day they were commanded to.. notice i said assuming.. based on the fact that it would be rediculous to put two creation stories in the bible it makes no sense what you are saying.. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 25, 2004 22:27:12 GMT -5
they were COMMANDED to do so on the 6th day, however we do not know that they actually multiplied on that particular day.. that is where you are going down the wrong path.. you are ASSUMING that they were commanded and did so on the 6th day.. we dont know how long it took to actually mulitply in those days.. could've been the same 9 months that it takes today.. maybe longer.. maybe shorter.. we have no way to know.. plus we dont actually know how long the actual "day" was.. so the conclusion YOu are drawing is full of assumptions. courtney we gotta slow down here cause we cannot forget what we initially established. You agreed eve had her first child outside the garden. And you also agree this lady named eve of the 2nd. chp is the same woman we find in the first chp. which means the first child of the "male and female" who were commanded to be fruitful and multiply had to have happened outside the garden. Remember Eve HAD HER FIRST CHILD OUTSIDE THE GARDEN. Okay now here is where the confusion comes in. Adam and Eve or the first male and female were created in the SIXth day. Do you concur wit this ? They were commanded to be fruitful and multiply in the sixth day, do you agree with this ? once we clear this up then my nxt post should bring it full cipher. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 25, 2004 22:35:03 GMT -5
Courtney look ... After the fall in gen 2 chp., Adam was cursed to eat herbs [gen 3.18] outside the garden. Guess when he fulfilled that command ? well in the sixth day he was told to eat the herbs [ gen 1.29]. It seems everything that happened to Adam and Eve outside the garden is retold in the 6th day of gen 1 chp. Need more proof ? they were COMMANDED to do so on the 6th day, however we do not know that they actually multiplied on that particular day.. that is where you are going down the wrong path.. you are ASSUMING that they were commanded and did so on the 6th day.. we dont know how long it took to actually mulitply in those days.. could've been the same 9 months that it takes today.. maybe longer.. maybe shorter.. we have no way to know.. plus we dont actually know how long the actual "day" was.. so the conclusion YOu are drawing is full of assumptions. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 25, 2004 22:38:51 GMT -5
gen 3.18 is talking about him eating the plants of the field- which earlier in that verse it calls "thorns and thistles".. which would be totally different than the plants in the garden of eden.. try again. Courtney look ... After the fall in gen 2 chp., Adam was cursed to eat herbs [gen 3.18] outside the garden. Guess when he fulfilled that command ? well in the sixth day he was told to eat the herbs [ gen 1.29]. It seems everything that happened to Adam and Eve outside the garden is retold in the 6th day of gen 1 chp. Need more proof ? |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 25, 2004 22:40:39 GMT -5
here courtney love, read it yourself... Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; courtney , the FIELD is NOT in the GARDEN. Sorry  . gen 3.18 is talking about him eating the plants of the field- which earlier in that verse it calls "thorns and thistles".. which would be totally different than the plants in the garden of eden.. try again. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 25, 2004 22:40:57 GMT -5
and how did we go from what we were talking about first to this?? seems like you couldnt prove your assumptions- i mean point. gen 3.18 is talking about him eating the plants of the field- which earlier in that verse it calls "thorns and thistles".. which would be totally different than the plants in the garden of eden.. try again. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 25, 2004 22:42:17 GMT -5
here courtney love, read it yourself... Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; courtney , the FIELD is NOT in the GARDEN. Sorry . Next post will prove my point... and how did we go from what we were talking about first to this?? seems like you couldnt prove your assumptions- i mean point. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 25, 2004 22:42:51 GMT -5
"the field" is not mentioned in ch 1.. it's mentioned in ch 3 after they are already outside the garden. when he's given plants in ch 1 there is no mention of the field. you are again assuming that the plants were the same and they are logically NOT.. thorns and thistles would not be found in a "perfect garden"... therefore the plants he was given in ch 1 were different. here courtney love, read it yourself... Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; courtney , the FIELD is NOT in the GARDEN. Sorry . |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 25, 2004 22:48:33 GMT -5
courtney you missed what i was saying. Im gonna try again. I should have highlited the EXACT word .My bad. Here it is .... Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; The eating of herbs fulfillment happens in the six day. Here it is... Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. The "HERB" was the give-a-way. "the field" is not mentioned in ch 1.. it's mentioned in ch 3 after they are already outside the garden. when he's given plants in ch 1 there is no mention of the field. you are again assuming that the plants were the same and they are logically NOT.. thorns and thistles would not be found in a "perfect garden"... therefore the plants he was given in ch 1 were different. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 25, 2004 22:48:38 GMT -5
oh and in the scripture you are quoting gen 3:18 one could assume that thorns, thistles = herbs of the field (although my bible doesnt say herb it just says plant).. therefore your arguement would be null and void because the plants in ch 1 are diff from the ones given in chapter 3. in a perfect garden- why would there be something like thorns and thistles?? there wouldn't be. they didnt come about until after God had "cursed the ground"..
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 25, 2004 23:02:19 GMT -5
no it wouldnt. Ask 1dell to get the correct hebrew words in place of the "herb" in genesis 3.18 and genesis 1.29. Both match up, using the same hebrew word "ESEB". But dont believe me, ask 1dell and confirm it. oh and in the scripture you are quoting gen 3:18 one could assume that thorns, thistles = herbs of the field (although my bible doesnt say herb it just says plant).. therefore your arguement would be null and void because the plants in ch 1 are diff from the ones given in chapter 3. in a perfect garden- why would there be something like thorns and thistles?? there wouldn't be. they didnt come about until after God had "cursed the ground".. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 25, 2004 23:04:44 GMT -5
they may both have the WORD herb.. but we are talking about two diff kinds.. the thorns and thistles were mentioned AFTER God had cursed the ground.. and again thorns and thistles invoke a negative image.. therefore such a thing wouldnt have been in the garden of eden... and once more. you are trying to prove the bible is erroneous and has more than one creation account.. so the burden of proof is on you. no it wouldnt. Ask 1dell to get the correct hebrew words in place of the "herb" in genesis 3.18 and genesis 1.29. Both match up, using the same hebrew word "ESEB". But dont believe me, ask 1dell and confirm it. |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Mar 25, 2004 23:07:31 GMT -5
we have many different "herbs" plants.. are ferns and cactus plants?? yes they are.. are they exactly the same- no they are not.. are parsley and dill herbs? yes they are.. are they exactly the same/identical?? no they are not.. so like i said.. herbs may be the generic word used in both accounts.. but the thistles and thorns were brought about after the ground was cursed.. so naturally there would be a diff kind of plant brought about- otherwise why would it be necessary to even curse the ground. no it wouldnt. Ask 1dell to get the correct hebrew words in place of the "herb" in genesis 3.18 and genesis 1.29. Both match up, using the same hebrew word "ESEB". But dont believe me, ask 1dell and confirm it. |
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