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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 20, 2004 13:36:51 GMT -5
Yo master9, good lookin out bros. I was havin trouble locating the breakdown on that word. I even asked arab peeps and you'd think they knew. NOPE they aint known. They said some shizzle like its from SAUD which I knew already and saud meant stern or punishment or some shit like that.
Okay 1dell, Knaxem went off on that field being Saudi Arabia. I recant what I said also.
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Post by 1dell on Mar 20, 2004 15:03:03 GMT -5
Well put Master 9 Saudi Arabia was named after the Saud family, the root word of "Saud" is "Aswad" meaning "Black/Very Dark" The word "Arabia" has its root in araba which means to move about. The original Arab was a wonderer(Abraham, Ishmael). It was the custom of the Hebrew Prophet: Muhammad(Ahmad) Bin Abdullat(Abdullah)'s time, that when a male child was born, the city arabs would send their sons to the desert people for nursing and training in the ways of a BinKanah(a family of he original shriners) a son of the desert. All three religions that stem ffrom Father Avraham are all connected for a reason. The Great Rabboni is supposed unite the family of the house     |
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Post by KnaxemDead on Mar 20, 2004 15:16:07 GMT -5
What I have to teach will perhaps go way beyond your comprehension right now 1dell, I mention this to set straight what I had given already in this forum. You so stuck on trying to figure this out as I go, that you make numerous mistakes, especially as you insinuate that I don’t know what I am talking about. All one had to do was reference the Akkadian version of Enuma Elish to see the correlation with the Hebraic creation story. Kah I left a key when I mentioned, "The OT writers logged changing of time by star appearances and passing of generations." Now watch as I break this down.
Enuma Elish La Nebu Shamamu
When on High1 There Was No Name for Heavens2
1 When On High is an astronomical station for stellar observation conducted by ancient astrologers (priest) on top of a Ziggurat (Zakkara, Saqqara) a seven step pyramid a ‘Stairway to Heaven’. The term ziggurat comes from the Akkadian word ziqquratu meaning mound, mountain, mountain peak. Ancient Mesopotamians built ziggurats for purpose to communicate with Deity. In ancient times mountains were often considered to be holy places where gods were said to dwell. In Egypt pyramids are synonymous with Mount or Mounds, that king would make his ascension into heaven from Great Pyramid (Mound) in either Saqqara or On to be on the right hand side of Paut Neteru (Pyramid Text) transforming into the Bennu Bird.
2 Shamamu can be found in hebrew as Shama-yim (Yod, Mem) denotes duality so there are two heavens mention within the text of Genesis 1:1 Yet it is purposely mistranslated as to give impression as one heaven. Enuma Elish implies exact same giving the plural for the word Shamu.
Genesis 1:1
Barashith Bara Elohim eth ha Shamayim ha Eretz
Enuma Elish informs us that heavens ‘shamamu’ were given birth to uses the word muwallidat root is walad, ‘to bear , give birth, offspring’. Hence the Hebraic text says in;
Genesis 2:4
These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
The word used for 'generations' is Towledah from root 'yalad' or Syraic Arabic 'walad.'
The word ‘THESE’ are speaking about males and females generations according
To Enuma Elish they’re Apsu, Tiamat, Mummu, Anshar, Kishar, Lahmu, Lahamu, Anu and Ea. The Book of Enoch mentions planets as 'Heavens' Nowhere did you find the creation story of this solar system in the first chapter of Genesis 1dell. Yet you offering nothing but mere inference and assumpations about what Genesis 2:4 is truly saying.
Post to be continued...
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 20, 2004 15:22:19 GMT -5
Hmmm... interesting Knaxem.
Please continue.
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Post by 1dell on Mar 20, 2004 15:24:16 GMT -5
You know what Sati, they all should sound about the same. I mean really, how many different ways was the world created? lol. It was created one way. I mean some may contain moor detail than others, some may have creations of things and beings in different orders. Some may have differing plots and purposes injected. But all in all We can get an overall jist of what went down. The thing about the bible is that the entire creation story is not found in Genesis, fragments of it can be found in Job, Psalms, Proverbs, the Gospel of John, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jude, Peter and some others. One must read the entire book in order to get the entire incidents. The reason many of them differ is because civilizations use their own venacular and idioms to explain understandable concepts. ALL of them started off as oral traditions then written down, as moor words were added to vocabularies they had to be rewritten to explain with the new verbal concepts. I don't know if you have ever played the grape vine game, but passing along a verbal messages is mad difficult, so I can see how some foolishness and abstract variables could enter the stories. Then too we are at the mercy of translators and as we have seen with the tablets of the enuma elish, the tablets are in fragments and we can't even get the entire story. Thats why I want to learn akkadian myself to read them myself. Because depending on the Translator's agenda he can make Alice in 1derland sound like Aladin's Lamp Ya know Kah, a few years ago (ok, a long time ago waaay back in High School) I did a paper on religions of the world. I compared and contrasted them. On the comparison side, I showed things like how each religion is based upon storied being handed down (myths). I showed how creation stories worldwide all carry similarities. For a quick example, the Greeks used "chaos" and christians have "there was darkness upon the face of the earth". |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 20, 2004 15:51:27 GMT -5
Nowhere did you find the creation story of this solar system in the first chapter of Genesis 1dell. Yet you offering nothing but mere inference and assumpations about what Genesis 2:4 is truly saying.
Well I guess that makes both of us, but you can't seem to see that you are doing the same thing. It just doesn't make since to be so redundant in scripture like that.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Then the next verse we find the earth in a state of post deluge and darkness.
skip a few verses down and we see heaven being created. Just doesn't mesh bro. Why does verse one say that the heavens were already created, but then several verses down we see the heavens being created again? Doesn't make sense if we look at it the way you want us to. I tell you why, it's because The solar system is being created in verse 1 and then we get into specific details concerning our home. The thing is, it has to be a specific heaven because where was the creator living before heave was created. According to your discourse you were saying there were 2 heavens. Oh no, there are much moor than that?
Dude your stuff sounds 1dellful would make a nice sci fi flick on the tele, but keep the bible out of it cuz it's not blending nicely with your hypothesi.
Derek, please don't take offense, but I am really not interested in what you have to teach me. I don't care for how you handle my book nor your attitude towards it With all do respect. I appreciate the time you put into your studies, but I get nothing from them. They anger me moor than anything because I don't take attacks agains the bible well at all. Especially if the info is faulty.
Dude, you say I am making assumptions and speculations. But in truth thats all any of us can do. Aint no way in hell you can say this is how things went down for sure you weren't there, i wasn't there. All you are doing is just comparing information. But it's quite obvious that you are partial to some information and not other information. There are other books in the bible that give light to the creation during before and after the genesis accounts. I am interested in how you might incoroporate those.
Keep your studies up broham. Hows that 40 day fast coming?
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Post by KnaxemDead on Mar 20, 2004 16:16:01 GMT -5
To further comply and answer the questions that is already on the floor (topic) dealing with Genesis 1 and 2, I start back with
Genesis 1:1
Ba RASHITH Bara Elohim Eth Ha Shamayim eth ha eretz.
In The Beginning 1 God Created Heaven and Earth.
In Rasit (Rastau, Giza Plateau) the Elohim showed (bara) the sign (eth) and explained the upper (elish) and lower (saplish) heavens (Shamayim)
In The Beginning 1
1In The Beginning, the words Barashith , when literally translated, read 'In The Beginning of' without providing an answer as to the beginning of what?
Translators leave us vague on what exactly has been implied by Hebraic writers. Rashith (hb) is used in the Book of Job 40:19 the chief of ways of God and is given in reference to the Behemoth. Behemoth is Egyptian BEKHMA, the hippopotamus.
BEKH - Bring forth
MA (MUT) is the water and the mother.
The BEKHMA or BEKHMUT was the bringer forth of the waters. Now it has to be understood that with the motion and the circle made by the Bear or Behemoth was the beginning in the heavens, the Rashith of the Genesis, and that by it's periodic revolution the Elohim created the heavens and the earth, or 'discreted' and 'distingusihed' as to seperate the upper and lower heaven, and made an attempt to register the recurrence of time and season.
Genesis 1:7-8
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
It helps to note Shamayim, is Sham-MA-YIM Seperation of 'Two Waters' which was Apsu and Tiamat, whose waters is said to have mixed according to the Enuma Elish, thus creating the Heaven.
BEKHMA (Behemoth) is no other than Tawaret who begins the winding circle as depicted on the Ceiling of Dendarah in Edfu, Egypt. As the Seven Star Constellation Great BEAR, as URSA, we find another form of RUS in RUSTA and in RUSTA was the permanent place of rest. A Circumpolar star whose appearence marked the difference between seasons . When the tail of the Bear points to the EAST it is SPRING, Tail Points SOUTH it is SUMMER. Tail Points WEST, it is AUTUM. When tail points NORTH it is WINTER.
to be continued...
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Post by KnaxemDead on Mar 20, 2004 16:21:14 GMT -5
Everyone that is reading my post, please bare with me I am in and out of the House trying to write as much as I can inbetween. Please excuse any typo's or sentences that run on.
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Post by 1dell on Mar 20, 2004 16:41:40 GMT -5
Question, originally you stated that Genesis Chapter 1 is the egyptain creation story and Genesis chapter 2 is the s(h)umarian creation story. But I see you making connections in Chapter 1 of Genesis with the sumerian acct. What is the egyptian papyrus that the hebrews "stole" from? There is SOME truth to what you are saying about Hippos but this is what I got from Dictionary.com: \Be"he*moth\, n. [Heb. behem[=o]th, fr. Egyptian P-ehe-maut hippopotamus.] An animal, probably the hippopotamus, described in --Job xl. 15-24. According to them the word is related to Pehemaut, not BEKHMA as you said. So that makes your connection to B'reshit disfunctional, ruining that entire paragraph, In one language we are talking about a way to classify time ergo B'reshit . B' is an article meaning IN and Rashit from the root word Rash or sometimes pronounces Rosh as in Rosh HaShanana the Jewish new Year holiday meaning the Head of the year or Head of time. Beginning is beginning bro. Aint no way to contort the word to make us think it's really a hippopatomus. Thats grabbing for straws. To further comply and answer the questions that is already on the floor (topic) dealing with Genesis 1 and 2, I start back with Genesis 1:1 Ba RASHITH Bara Elohim Eth Ha Shamayim eth ha eretz.In The Beginning 1 God Created Heaven and Earth. In Rasit (Rastau, Giza Plateau) the Elohim showed (bara) the sign (eth) and explained the upper (elish) and lower (saplish) heavens (Shamayim) In The Beginning 11In The Beginning, the words Barashith , when literally translated, read 'In The Beginning of' without providing an answer as to the beginning of what? Translators leave us vague on what exactly has been implied by Hebraic writers. Rashith (hb) is used in the Book of Job 40:19 the chief of ways of God and is given in reference to the Behemoth. Behemoth is Egyptian BEKHMA, the hippopotamus. BEKH - Bring forth MA (MUT) is the water and the mother. The BEKHMA or BEKHMUT was the bringer forth of the waters. Now it has to be understood that with the motion and the circle made by the Bear or Behemoth was the beginning in the heavens, the Rashith of the Genesis, and that by it's periodic revolution the Elohim created the heavens and the earth, or 'discreted' and 'distingusihed' as to seperate the upper and lower heaven, and made an attempt to register the recurrence of time and season. Genesis 1:7-8And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. It helps to note Shamayim, is Sham-MA-YIM Seperation of 'Two Waters' which was Apsu and Tiamat, whose waters is said to have mixed according to the Enuma Elish, thus creating the Heaven. BEKHMA (Behemoth) is no other than Tawaret who begins the winding circle as depicted on the Ceiling of Dendarah in Edfu, Egypt. As the Seven Star Constellation Great BEAR, as URSA, we find another form of RUS in RUSTA and in RUSTA was the permanent place of rest. A Circumpolar star whose appearence marked the difference between seasons . When the tail of the Bear points to the EAST it is SPRING, Tail Points SOUTH it is SUMMER. Tail Points WEST, it is AUTUM. When tail points NORTH it is WINTER. to be continued... |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 20, 2004 16:43:00 GMT -5
Hey bro, don't even sweat that I am the typo Kang!! it's all good. carry on. You'se a busy man. We're patient Everyone that is reading my post, please bare with me I am in and out of the House trying to write as much as I can inbetween. Please excuse any typo's or sentences that run on. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 20, 2004 18:08:44 GMT -5
1DELL from what I am understanding, Knaxem is making a qabalistic connection between Behemoth and R'shiyth. The scripture he cites to substantiate what he is claiming is Job 40.19. What he is doing is permissible in qabala doctrine. He is correlating archtypals which have same common roots. Behemoth and Genesis have a common root. Job 40.19 states Behemoth as the r'shiyth of Elohim's ways.
How I would have worded it Knaxem is this way, the beginning referred to in the first vrs. in genesis speaks on Behemoth as the instigator of creation - He is the father of both Shamayim and Eretz.
But what you stated is also acceptable. Different ways on breaking it down. Its kewl.
Also Knaxem to add some more info to the theme of "EGIPT" as the place of creation in Genesis , take a look at the word MAYIM. It is this word that is used in the second day in the seperation. Now look at the hebrew word for egipt : MITSRAIYM [Misraim]. Notice the root MYM in both words suggesting the waters of the second day is the NILE RIVER of Aegipt.
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Post by 1dell on Mar 20, 2004 19:12:09 GMT -5
Sorry kah, it looks like you are going to try to bend heaven to find logic and reason in his doctrine. NO thank you bro. I want no parts of it. There is no way on earth there is a relationship betwixt these 2 verses Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth 0930, which I made 06213 with thee; he eateth 0398 grass 02682 as an ox 01241. and this: Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. No to mention his info is flawed. He said the egyptian word for hippo was "Behemoth is Egyptian BEKHMA, the hippopotamus. " Bekhma? Other moor accurate sources say otherwise: P-ehe-maut. Dude I know you get your kicks off word play, literati, scrabble and all that jazz, so I aint hatin on you guy. I know it must be nice for you to have a friend to play with some words with. But as for me, The information has to be moor correct than this. There is wholes all up in this. And if someone is gonna try and discredit the scritpures they are gonna hafta do with some grounded knowledge, not some whimsical word play and mind bending plot conjunctions. Aint no Qabalistic science on earth gonna justify Iob 40:15 with B'reshit 1:1. 1DELL from what I am understanding, Knaxem is making a qabalistic connection between Behemoth and R'shiyth. The scripture he cites to substantiate what he is claiming is Job 40.19. What he is doing is permissible in qabala doctrine. He is correlating archtypals which have same common roots. Behemoth and Genesis have a common root. Job 40.19 states Behemoth as the r'shiyth of Elohim's ways. How I would have worded it Knaxem is this way, the beginning referred to in the first vrs. in genesis speaks on Behemoth as the instigator of creation - He is the father of both Shamayim and Eretz. But what you stated is also acceptable. Different ways on breaking it down. Its kewl. Also Knaxem to add some more info to the theme of "EGIPT" as the place of creation in Genesis , take a look at the word MAYIM. It is this word that is used in the second day in the seperation. Now look at the hebrew word for egipt : MITSRAIYM [Misraim]. Notice the root MYM in both words suggesting the waters of the second day is the NILE RIVER of Aegipt. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 20, 2004 19:15:32 GMT -5
Also Knaxem to add some more info to the theme of "EGIPT" as the place of creation in Genesis , take a look at the word MAYIM. It is this word that is used in the second day in the seperation. Now look at the hebrew word for egipt : MITSRAIYM [Misraim]. Notice the root MYM in both words suggesting the waters of the second day is the NILE RIVER of Aegipt. Man!!!!! Imma pick both of yall up in my Neon Orange Volkwagen Bus and drop yall off at Chuck E. Cheeses with 2 pocketfuls of tokens. Goodness grief   |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 20, 2004 19:34:54 GMT -5
1dell job 40.19 , not job 40.15  Sorry kah, it looks like you are going to try to bend heaven to find logic and reason in his doctrine. NO thank you bro. I want no parts of it. There is no way on earth there is a relationship betwixt these 2 verses Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth 0930, which I made 06213 with thee; he eateth 0398 grass 02682 as an ox 01241. and this: Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. No to mention his info is flawed. He said the egyptian word for hippo was "Behemoth is Egyptian BEKHMA, the hippopotamus. " Bekhma? Other moor accurate sources say otherwise: P-ehe-maut. Dude I know you get your kicks off word play, literati, scrabble and all that jazz, so I aint hatin on you guy. I know it must be nice for you to have a friend to play with some words with. But as for me, The information has to be moor correct than this. There is wholes all up in this. And if someone is gonna try and discredit the scritpures they are gonna hafta do with some grounded knowledge, not some whimsical word play and mind bending plot conjunctions. Aint no Qabalistic science on earth gonna justify Iob 40:15 with B'reshit 1:1. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 20, 2004 20:16:32 GMT -5
UUuuhhhh, Kah tell me it aint so bro you tawkin' 'bout dis: Job 40:19 He [is] the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach [unto him]. Thats even worse bro! Hwa Rashit dereki el ha asha igash kherebu. Dude, the only reason derek is sweating this verse is because his name is in it. Dereki, check it. Still dude this shows a fundamental lack of hebraic innerstanding. Derek is making connections with the word Breshit and how it relates to a supposed egyptian word for hippo which is actually NOT the egyptian word for hippo which nullified the entire argument. In lieu of what derek is professing are we then to assume that "in the beginning God Created the heavens and the earth" should be translated "in the hippopatomus God created the waters and the dirt"? Forgive me for not seeing how this is supposed to make any kind of sense. I am as logical as they come and this is so lackin in logic that makes absolutely no sense. Here is the definition for reshit because this is nothing moor than a game of semantics: 1) first, beginning, best, chief a) beginning b) first c) chief d) choice part When it comes time to get down and dirty with it, these are the choice of the word's means. If one is to contest the use of the word in Genesis 1 and trying to connect it to JOb 40:19 in speaking of the use of the word Reshit. Which is used in many differnt context within scripture to show the FIRST of FIRSTS!!!! For example the First of the first fruits. Can't have a 2nd batch of first of the first fruits man. There is only ONE first fruits. So then why should be consider gen 1:1 a 2nd beginning other than the 1st beginning. Thats the argument. Not debating hippos and water horses. The reshit of Nimrod's kingdom was Babel, did nimrod have another beginning of his kingdom? It's just not jiving bro. I originally harped on 40:15 because that is where the word Behemot was found and thats seemed to be the meat of his argument in making the connection betwixt his supposed egyptian word with the word B'reshit or behemot. Either way it lacks gravity 1dell job 40.19 , not job 40.15 |
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