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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 19, 2004 12:55:26 GMT -5
1dell hes on point with the translation. It may not be precise but i know you know where he is coming from. Umm Ktabu is the same hebrew - EM KATHAB [mother of scripture]. Give the brother his credit mang!  Dayum, I thought we finally had a name of an egyptian text until I realized that kitabu aint nothing but the word Kitab which in Arabic and Hindi mean Book. LOL! |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 19, 2004 12:57:23 GMT -5
Anyone who wants to read some serious ridiculousness can check out the enuma elisha and 7 tablets of creation online: www.sacred-texts.com/ane/index.htmsee for yourself how it's IMPOSSIBLE for the hebrews to have stolen from that garbage. enjoy!  Shumerian Creation is inscribed on Seven Tablets, called Enuma Elish, that is equalivent to Seven Days of Creation. The Scripture tells us that on the Sixth Day Adam was created, you can go to Sixth Tablet and get more details of this event. Enuma Elish, Sixth Tablet. That which he( Murduq) had conceived in his heart he imparted unto him: My blood will I take and bone will I fashion I will make man, that man may..(broken fragment) I will create man who shall inhabit the earth. When you get to the Seventh Tablet it picks up who planted that garden calls Murduq, "O Asari, [Marduk] "Bestower of planting," "Founder of sowing" "Creator of grain and plants," "who caused the green herb to spring up!" I will save you the time to read the Enuma Elish yourself. However, justice that the Bible brings us since we have discovered earlier tablets belonging to the mother scripture (Um Kitaab) is that their broken fragments, bible has condensed most of those earlier stories and helps to fill. Surely these OT writers possibly had complete copies. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 19, 2004 13:00:48 GMT -5
All of these karmic stories passed on from generation to generation in all earth cultures stem from a SUPREME SOURCE - ASTER [star]! The Hebrews were by far the most ACCURATE @ deciphering the kosmic occurences. Atleast in my judgment they were . |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 19, 2004 13:02:17 GMT -5
Dude, I know you like to be the diplomat and thangs but I think you misinnerstand me. What I said was I thought we had an ACTUAL Egyptian Text we could go to. I thought he was naming the Egyptian text from whence he claims the hebrews stole from. But come to find out when I looked again at the word it aint nothing but the word Kitab which means book in arabic and hindi. And all he is saying is Book and not naming a papyrus that I can get my hands on. Kitabu is nothing moor than a conjugation of the word Kitab kah, how do you come up with Mother Scripture from that? This man has presented so many errors I don't trust a thing he puts out. ESPECIALLY when it's against my own people. I have given him credit when he was correct about something. I just dont have to do it often, if you know what I mean 1dell hes on point with the translation. It may not be precise but i know you know where he is coming from. Umm Ktabu is the same hebrew - EM KATHAB [mother of scripture]. Give the brother his credit mang! |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 19, 2004 13:06:17 GMT -5
A'ight. Carry on ach :-) Dude, I know you like to be the diplomat and thangs but I think you misinnerstand me. What I said was I thought we had an ACTUAL Egyptian Text we could go to. I thought he was naming the Egyptian text from whence he claims the hebrews stole from. But come to find out when I looked again at the word it aint nothing but the word Kitab which means book in arabic and hindi. And all he is saying is Book and not naming a papyrus that I can get my hands on. Kitabu is nothing moor than a conjugation of the word Kitab kah, how do you come up with Mother Scripture from that? This man has presented so many errors I don't trust a thing he puts out. ESPECIALLY when it's against my own people. I have given him credit when he was correct about something. I just dont have to do it often, if you know what I mean |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 19, 2004 13:33:34 GMT -5
okay KnaxemDead I will concede in this sense - the shumerians had recorded creation epics in their cuneiform tablets before the hebrews were a nation. And lets assume for argument's sake the hebrews transcribed their scriputure from earlier earth sources. What does it mean ? I mean the hebrews [prior to their national status] claim a blood line goin back to ancestors who sojourned in those lands. And these ancestors were the mighty men of those cultures. The plains of Shinar and its cultures happen to be some of those cultures. Like I said assuming what you say is true, the hebrew laid claim to these stories, stories transmitted down their ancestral blood line arriving in their generation via oral and written. These were ancestors who sojourned in those lands and may have been the ones who impressed the knowledge unto those cultures. Can you honestly interpret that as STEALING ? Shumerian Creation is inscribed on Seven Tablets, called Enuma Elish, that is equalivent to Seven Days of Creation. The Scripture tells us that on the Sixth Day Adam was created, you can go to Sixth Tablet and get more details of this event. Enuma Elish, Sixth Tablet. That which he( Murduq) had conceived in his heart he imparted unto him: My blood will I take and bone will I fashion I will make man, that man may..(broken fragment) I will create man who shall inhabit the earth. When you get to the Seventh Tablet it picks up who planted that garden calls Murduq, "O Asari, [Marduk] "Bestower of planting," "Founder of sowing" "Creator of grain and plants," "who caused the green herb to spring up!" I will save you the time to read the Enuma Elish yourself. However, justice that the Bible brings us since we have discovered earlier tablets belonging to the mother scripture (Um Kitaab) is that their broken fragments, bible has condensed most of those earlier stories and helps to fill. Surely these OT writers possibly had complete copies. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 19, 2004 15:00:27 GMT -5
You give him too much credit Kah, I know you playing good cop, so I wont step on your shoes. I just keep laying bad cop. okay KnaxemDead I will concede in this sense - the shumerians had recorded creation epics in their cuneiform tablets before the hebrews were a nation. And lets assume for argument's sake the hebrews transcribed their scriputure from earlier earth sources. What does it mean ? I mean the hebrews [prior to their national status] claim a blood line goin back to ancestors who sojourned in those lands. And these ancestors were the mighty men of those cultures. The plains of Shinar and its cultures happen to be some of those cultures. Like I said assuming what you say is true, the hebrew laid claim to these stories, stories transmitted down their ancestral blood line arriving in their generation via oral and written. These were ancestors who sojourned in those lands and may have been the ones who impressed the knowledge unto those cultures. Can you honestly interpret that as STEALING ? |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 19, 2004 15:23:15 GMT -5
Shumerian Creation is inscribed on Seven Tablets, called Enuma Elish, that is equalivent to Seven Days of Creation. The Scripture tells us that on the Sixth Day Adam was created, you can go to Sixth Tablet and get more details of this event.
Here is the entire 6th tablet:
THE SIXTH TABLET
When Marduk beard the word of the gods,
His heart prompted him and he devised a cunning plan.
He opened his mouth and unto Ea he spake
That which he had conceived in his heart he imparted unto him:
"My blood will I take and bone will I fashion
I will make man, that man may
I will create man who shall inhabit the earth,
That the service of the gods may be established, and that their shrines may be built.
But I will alter the ways of the gods, and I will change their paths;
Together shall they be oppressed and unto evil shall they....
And Ea answered him and spake the word:
"... the ... of the gods I have changed
... and one...
... shall be destroyed and men will I...
... and the gods .
... and they..."
[The rest of the text is wanting with the exception of
the last few lines of the tablet, which read as follows.]
They rejoiced...
In Upsukkinnaku they set their dwelling.
Of the heroic son, their avenger, they cried:
" We, whom he succored.... !"
They seated themselves and in the assembly they named him...,
They all cried aloud, they exalted him...
OOOHHH AAAAHHHH!!! Woooowwww!!! Those hebrew thieves!!!! man! please! LOL!! The 6th day of the hebrew account so entirely different! Not to mention the 6th day earth bound animals were also created. We are not told HOW man is created, just that he created Male and Female. Completely differnt. In the 6th Tablet man was created as a subordinate creature, in the hebrew's account they are created to be in command of the earth and everything was under their charge.
No court on EARTH would convict the hebrews of plagiarizm based on these weak accusations alone.
When you get to the Seventh Tablet it picks up who planted that garden calls Murduq, "O Asari, [Marduk] "Bestower of planting," "Founder of sowing"
"Creator of grain and plants," "who caused the green herb to spring up!"
I will save you the time to read the Enuma Elish yourself. However, justice that the Bible brings us since we have discovered earlier tablets belonging to the mother scripture (Um Kitaab) is that their broken fragments, bible has condensed most of those earlier stories and helps to fill. Surely these OT writers possibly had complete copies.
"Nah the enuma elish is easy reading, here is the entire 7th tablet:
THE SEVENTH TABLET
O Asari, [Marduk] "Bestower of planting," "Founder of sowing"
"Creator of grain and plants," "who caused the green herb to spring up!"
O Asaru-alim, [Mardk] "who is revered in the house of counsel," "who aboundeth in counsel,"
The gods paid homage, fear took hold upon them!
O Asaru-alim-nuna, [Marduk] "the mighty one," "the Light of the father who begat him,"
"Who directeth the decrees of Anu Bel, and Ea!"
He was their patron, be ordained their...;
He, whose provision is abundance, goeth forth...
Tutu [Marduk] is "He who created them anew";
Should their wants be pure, then are they satisfied;
Should he make an incantation, then are the gods appeased;
Should they attack him in anger, he withstandeth their onslaught!
Let him therefore be exalted, and in the assembly of the gods let him... ;
None among the gods can rival him!
15 Tutu [Marduk] is Zi-ukkina, "the Life of the host of the gods,"
Who established for the gods the bright heavens.
He set them on their way, and ordained their path;
Never shall his ... deeds be forgotten among men.
Tutu as Zi-azag thirdly they named, "the Bringer of Purification,"
"The God of the Favoring Breeze," "the Lord of Hearing and Mercy,"
"The Creator of Fulness and Abundance," " the Founder of Plenteousness,"
"Who increaseth all that is small."
In sore distress we felt his favoring breeze,"
Let them say, let them pay reverence, let them bow in humility before him!
Tutu as Aga-azag may mankind fourthly magnify!
"The Lord of the Pure Incantation," " the Quickener of the Dead,"
"Who had mercy upon the captive gods,"
"Who removed the yoke from upon the gods his enemies,"
"For their forgiveness did he create mankind,"
"The Merciful One, with whom it is to bestow life!"
May his deeds endure, may they never be forgotten ,
In the mouth of mankind whom his hands have made!
Tutu as Mu-azag, fifthly, his "Pure incantation" may their mouth proclaim,
Who through his Pure Incantation hath destroyed all the evil ones!"
Sag-zu, [Marduk] "who knoweth the heart of the gods," " who seeth through the innermost part!"
"The evil-doer he hath not caused to go forth with him!"
"Founder of the assembly of the gods," who ... their heart!"
"Subduer of the disobedient," "...!"
"Director of Righteousness," "...,"
" Who rebellion and...!"
Tutu as Zi-si, "the ...,"
"Who put an end to anger," "who...!"
Tutu as Suh-kur, thirdly, "the Destroyer of the foe,"
"Who put their plans to confusion,"
"Who destroyed all the wicked," "...,"
... let them... !
[There is a gap here of sixty lines. But somewhere among the lost lines belong the following fragments.]
who...
He named the four quarters of the world, mankind hecreated,
And upon him understanding...
"The mighty one...!"
Agil...
"The Creator of the earth...!"
Zulummu... .
"The Giver of counsel and of whatsoever...!"
Mummu, " the Creator of...!"
Mulil, the heavens...,
"Who for...!"
Giskul, let...,
"Who brought the gods to naught....!"
...............
... " the Chief of all lords,"
... supreme is his might!
Lugal-durmah, "the King of the band of the gods," " the Lord of rulers."
"Who is exalted in a royal habitation,"
"Who among the gods is gloriously supreme!
Adu-nuna, " the Counselor of Ea," who created the gods his fathers,
Unto the path of whose majesty
No god can ever attain!
... in Dul-azag be made it known,
... pure is his dwelling!
... the... of those without understanding is Lugaldul-azaga!
... supreme is his might!
... their... in the midst of Tiamat,
... of the battle!
[Here follows the better-preserved ending.]
... the star, which shineth in the heavens.
May he hold the Beginning and the Future, may they pay homage unto him,
Saying, "He who forced his way through the midst of Tiamat without resting,
Let his name be Nibiru, 'the Seizer of the Midst'!
For the stars of heaven he upheld the paths,
He shepherded all the gods like sheep!
He conquered Tiamat, he troubled and ended her life,"
In the future of mankind, when the days grow old,
May this be heard without ceasing; may it hold sway forever!
Since he created the realm of heaven and fashioned the firm earth,
The Lord of the World," the father Bel hath called his name.
This title, which all the Spirits of Heaven proclaimed,
Did Ea hear, and his spirit was rejoiced, and he said:
"He whose name his fathers have made glorious,
Shall be even as I, his name shall be Ea!
The binding of all my decrees shall he control,
All my commands shall he make known! "
By the name of "Fifty " did the great gods
Proclaim his fifty names, they, made his path preeminent.
If the hebrews are stealing, then why is the 6th tablet the only one that has SOME similarity? to the 6th day. You make mention to 7 tablets 7 days as if that is supposed to be a measurement. But if that is the case then the 7th day is the day of rest from creation. how come this has nothing to do with the 7th tablet?
This is not hardly proof of plagiarism!
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Post by 1dell on Mar 19, 2004 15:46:58 GMT -5
Derek said:
I will save you the time to read the Enuma Elish yourself. However, justice that the Bible brings us since we have discovered earlier tablets belonging to the mother scripture (Um Kitaab) is that their broken fragments, bible has condensed most of those earlier stories and helps to fill. Surely these OT writers possibly had complete copies.
The writers of the old testament POSSIBLY had complete copies? How so? How did they get their hands on a copy? I am curious, how many copies were there? I mean was it like every home in babylon had the enuma elisha sittin on their flinstone like coffe tables opened up to enuma elisha 23? The Marduq is my shepherd I shall not want? Did they pick one up at the book sto? I mean like they had some printing presses that could spit out copies on top of copies. These doggone things were written by hand. There weren't but a handful of copies around if that and they belonged to the Magistrates. Wasn't like common folk were walking around with a copy. These are privlidged times we live in where everyone just about owns a bible. It was NOTHING like that in those days and times. You think they would let the Hebrews up in their palaces/temples to copy down from their holy tablets? Be reasonable.
It's just not probable at all. An example of how they treated hebrews can be found in the book of Daniel
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Post by 1dell on Mar 19, 2004 16:13:14 GMT -5
Jesus christ, so now you are saying that all civilization stole from various sources? That is the most preposterous and uneducated statement I have ever heard. If you read most sacred texts, They render accounts of interactions with Extra Terrestrials. These civilizations ascribe their knowledge to their founder being led or tutored by an Extra terrestrial of some kind. Please tell me who was around during creation? I mean was there a babylonian or egyptian scribe floating around with some moist clay and a stylus jottin things down? "Dear diary, today God created light and separated from darkness" Day 2 "Dear diary, today the lord moved the water...." If man wasn't invented until the 6th day, then ummm how does ANYBODY know how things came about? I'll tell you, extra terrestrial intervention. The God of the Hebrews is an Extra terrestrial, The Gods of babylon are extra terrestrials, the indians extra terrestrials, of the egyptians are Shemites. LOL. nevermind that but My point is these extra terrestrials are known to frequent this place, even now. What need does ANYONE have to copy anything when they can ask their deity? These are just senseless attempts to discredit the accounts of the hebrews and to discredit the bible in order to propulgate some paganistic foolishness to buld recruits for some other religion just as faulty They copied as most cultures did, knowledge from a source, which we will call for now 'Mother Scripture' Umm Kitabu. What the Biblical writers wrote in about 777 BCE was actually T'nakh condensing these stories from papyrus text and akkadian tablets, in return making them theirs by overlaying it with their history. You have Pa, Pau, Paut, which is same as saying El, Eloh and Elohin, Elohim. So you have the Torah which is to tort, or twisting of two stories. As earlier in Christian forum I stated 'doublets' before. Quraan is 'Two Readings' itself. All one has to do is retrace the winding steps just like DNA helix, this sequencing code to get back to the source. It's no mystery that hebrew grammer is coded just like the 4 parts that make up DNA itself. Anyway I am out of time to go into further detail about this. Let's pick it up later tonight. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 19, 2004 23:28:28 GMT -5
jESUS cHRIST kAH, dude aint no way in hell, you can get Sawdee from SDH! There is not letter E in the word. The phantom letters in hebrew are not AW, it's AH. One would be inclined to pronouce as Aw as in restAUrant. The word is SDH. There are nations that ARE mentioned in that same chapter, why would they have to hide a nation inconspicuously using the word field? doesn't make ANY sense. The word Sadeh appears 333 times in the T'nakh it has NOTHING to do with Saudi or that region when it's mentioned. I can't believe this is the 2nd time you are trying to condone what he is doing kah, when he is just as wrong as wrong can be. but I guess you down with that word interchange psonix stuff. Even when it's plain wrong. Dont get me wrong the break down was mad interesting just inaccurate as hell. I am sure you would like to go back and use that. Not me, too many holes in it. 1dell i think he merely spelt it phoenetically but he is correct the words are both inter-related. I can agree the arabia area had a key role in the creation . Aint by mistake these fields are the fields of OIL - a key factor in consecration. |
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Post by 1dell on Mar 19, 2004 23:38:50 GMT -5
P.s. Kah, the region is rich in oil yes, but they were going around anointing themselves in dinosaur juice kah! the oil they used were from olives, gums and resins from trees and plants man. You think they had a commercial use for dinosaur juice back then? let alone instruments to dig that deep? 1dell i think he merely spelt it phoenetically but he is correct the words are both inter-related. I can agree the arabia area had a key role in the creation . Aint by mistake these fields are the fields of OIL - a key factor in consecration. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Mar 20, 2004 8:17:48 GMT -5
I will admit, I didn't check to see what SAUDI means and assumed what Knaxem was saying was true. I did this because phoenetically the two words are nearly identical and since hebrew and Arabic are cousin tongues I went wit it. I AM RETRACTING MY POST AGREEING WIT KNAXEM ON THE SAUDI WORD, UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. I am gonna research the meaning of the word "SAUD" and howla back at you. Peace. jESUS cHRIST kAH, dude aint no way in hell, you can get Sawdee from SDH! There is not letter E in the word. The phantom letters in hebrew are not AW, it's AH. One would be inclined to pronouce as Aw as in restAUrant. The word is SDH. There are nations that ARE mentioned in that same chapter, why would they have to hide a nation inconspicuously using the word field? doesn't make ANY sense. The word Sadeh appears 333 times in the T'nakh it has NOTHING to do with Saudi or that region when it's mentioned. I can't believe this is the 2nd time you are trying to condone what he is doing kah, when he is just as wrong as wrong can be. but I guess you down with that word interchange psonix stuff. Even when it's plain wrong. Dont get me wrong the break down was mad interesting just inaccurate as hell. I am sure you would like to go back and use that. Not me, too many holes in it. |
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Post by SatiyaH on Mar 20, 2004 12:34:48 GMT -5
All of these karmic stories passed on from generation to generation in all earth cultures stem from a SUPREME SOURCE - ASTER [star]! The Hebrews were by far the most ACCURATE @ deciphering the kosmic occurences. Atleast in my judgment they were . Ya know Kah, a few years ago (ok, a long time ago waaay back in High School) I did a paper on religions of the world. I compared and contrasted them. On the comparison side, I showed things like how each religion is based upon storied being handed down (myths). I showed how creation stories worldwide all carry similarities. For a quick example, the Greeks used "chaos" and christians have "there was darkness upon the face of the earth". |
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Post by Master-9 on Mar 20, 2004 13:28:25 GMT -5
I will admit, I didn't check to see what SAUDI means and assumed what Knaxem was saying was true. I did this because phoenetically the two words are nearly identical and since hebrew and Arabic are cousin tongues I went wit it. I AM RETRACTING MY POST AGREEING WIT KNAXEM ON THE SAUDI WORD, UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. I am gonna research the meaning of the word "SAUD" and howla back at you. Peace. Saudi Arabia was named after the Saud family, the root word of "Saud" is "Aswad" meaning "Black/Very Dark" The word "Arabia" has its root in araba which means to move about. The original Arab was a wonderer(Abraham, Ishmael). It was the custom of the Hebrew Prophet: Muhammad(Ahmad) Bin Abdullat(Abdullah)'s time, that when a male child was born, the city arabs would send their sons to the desert people for nursing and training in the ways of a BinKanah(a family of he original shriners) a son of the desert. All three religions that stem ffrom Father Avraham are all connected for a reason. The Great Rabboni is supposed unite the family of the house     |
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