The Creation Account

[1dell]

kAH said:

damn! yall both missing the boat! the serpent is the father, the biological father at that! of Cain. Why do you think the curse of conception was laid upon Eve ? Here's why!...
(dont y'all read the jewish law ? )

27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.

bitter water that causeth the curse

[kAHANyAH]

Everything god does is based on LAW. So I ask you , what law did God invoke based on this passage :

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


This is the law he invoked and it is the only law that deals wit sorrow in conception from adultry without witness (other then parties involved in the act)...


Num 5.12-31,

12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,
13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;
14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:
15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.
16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD:
17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:
19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:
20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.
25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar:
26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.
31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.

1dell said:

[KnaxemDead]

Before I go any further, I am not intending to insult anybody on this forum.
1dell and Kah want to admonish me for supposedly making more than what's there, yet let's take a look at what each of them are really saying.

KAH states this from his own wisdom and understanding..She (EVE) says "I have gotten a man from the Lord" The Lord is Cain's paternal father.

Obviously this 'YAHWEH' (LORD) that fathered CAIN, has bad genes (traits) because, CAIN was a murderer. According to 1dell to justify this, he quotes from Jhn 8:44 "Ye are of [your] father the devil,..He was a murderer from the beginning," To say that The Devil is father of CAIN and descendants of CAIN are of the DEVIL's PHYSICAL SEED (ZERA).

It is scripture is already clear as to who fathered CAIN, it says ADAM 'knew' EVE and she gave birth to a male child named CAIN. Yet they refuse to accept this because they do not understand the EXPRESSION of "I have gotten a man from the LORD" This is where their confusion comes in because they so bent on literal translation not understanding usage of ancient expressions. To them they articulate this as saying the "LORD himself fathered a CHILD, who was known as CAIN. " You see how ridiculous that is! It is further confirmed with 1dell saying "Just as N'kash seduced KHawah,"
Obviously they trying to distort this to fit an ideology of how CAIN father isn't ADAM, but again scriptures teach contrary to that.

[1dell]

Wow Kah, you're right how could i have missed that? lolol cheer up Buckaroo, you're the chosen 1

kAH said:

Ah geezus! wit that face you givin me, i see this gone be hard for me to get thru to you!! augghhh!!! . Aight here were go...

Everything god does is based on LAW. So I ask you , what law did God invoke based on this passage :

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


This is the law he invoked and it is the only law that deals wit sorrow in conception from adultry without witness (other then parties involved in the act)...


Num 5.12-31,

12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,
13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;
14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:
15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.
16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD:
17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:
19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:
20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.
25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar:
26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.
31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.

[kAHANyAH]

Hey Derrick , can I call you Derrick now ? I feel warmed up to you since we've ciphered together for a whiles now. A'ight peep it...

Serpent is a YHWH [Lord]. Why ? Here, look for yourself ->

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

As you can see, gods are acquainted wit good/evil.

Now if you paid close attn., Eve referred to an elohim as "LordGod". But we know It was God [elohim] who created all things. So why the conjunction between Lord and God ? Ponder on that for a while and I will come back to explain this to you.


Derrick, why didnt Adam claim Abel as his son ? yet Eve claimed Cain as a child from the Lord. Why ?

meditate on it and later I will break it down concisely and clearly for you.

KnaxemDead said:

Before I go any further, I am not intending to insult anybody on this forum.
1dell and Kah want to admonish me for supposedly making more than what's there, yet let's take a look at what each of them are really saying.

KAH states this from his own wisdom and understanding..She (EVE) says "I have gotten a man from the Lord" The Lord is Cain's paternal father.

Obviously this 'YAHWEH' (LORD) that fathered CAIN, has bad genes (traits) because, CAIN was a murderer. According to 1dell to justify this, he quotes from Jhn 8:44 "Ye are of [your] father the devil,..He was a murderer from the beginning," To say that The Devil is father of CAIN and descendants of CAIN are of the DEVIL's PHYSICAL SEED (ZERA).

It is scripture is already clear as to who fathered CAIN, it says ADAM 'knew' EVE and she gave birth to a male child named CAIN. Yet they refuse to accept this because they do not understand the EXPRESSION of "I have gotten a man from the LORD" This is where their confusion comes in because they so bent on literal translation not understanding usage of ancient expressions. To them they articulate this as saying the "LORD himself fathered a CHILD, who was known as CAIN. " You see how ridiculous that is! It is further confirmed with 1dell saying "Just as N'kash seduced KHawah,"
Obviously they trying to distort this to fit an ideology of how CAIN father isn't ADAM, but again scriptures teach contrary to that.

[1dell]

Dayum, lol, Hey Kah who is Derek talking to? He sounds like he's talking to a jury in court. LOL. Talk to US maign! I'm talkkng to you and no body else but you boop boop bee doop. Oh lawd, he's now gonna cry bloody babbling.

Slow your roll for a sec dude, You ain't hearing me. I am not saying that Qayin is N'kash's biological seed because he was a murder, My principle is action for action makes you the subordinate/Son of the one whose action that is. That is a biblical principle. Ishua was talking to perushiym when he said that, they were of the seed of Abraham how could they be of the seed of N'kash? He was idenitifying them by their actions as descendants of N'kash and so am I. Thats what I mean. Ishua turned around and did the same thing when he said "who is my mother, brother and sister, save those who do the will of my father" So if I do the will of IHaWaH does that make me his biological brother? It's a kindship that transcends the physical bro.

You say we err in innerstanding the term "I have gotten a child from IHaWaH" but you don't show us the correct path. Could it be cuz you don't know? Normally you like come correcting people's mistakes (so you think) but you didn't this time, any reason why Derek? All you do is say we are confused and how ridiculous it sounds to think that.

Dude if you paid attention to ALL I said I said that N'kash not ONLY seduced Khawah, but he COULD HAVE also seduced Qayin, So N'kash is gay now? Why didn't you ask me first what I meant when I said seduced? Even the scripture agrees with me on this:

2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

You are a dictionary.com typa man, you should appreciate this:

be·guile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (b-gl)
tr.v. be·guiled, be·guil·ing, be·guiles
To deceive by guile; delude. See Synonyms at deceive.
To take away from by or as if by guile; cheat: a disease that has beguiled me of strength.
To distract the attention of; divert: “to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming” (Abraham Lincoln).
To pass (time) pleasantly.
To amuse or charm; delight. See Synonyms at charm.

The last statement is bold because seduce would fit the synonym.

So in essence you are putting words in my mouth. And if you go back to page 14 of this thread I said "It is legended that the N'kash seduced Eve and thereby impregnated her"

Then in that very same post, I showed how Qayin could appear to be the seed of N'kash thru ACTION/BEHAVIOR making reference to the new test scripts. All I was even doing was giving an alternative view. Thats all.

"Obviously they trying to distort this to fit an ideology of how CAIN father isn't ADAM, but again scriptures teach contrary to that"

Oh fuggin WAaah Waah Waahh Dude, if the scripts teach that then why aint they in each other's geneology? Oh yeah that weak ass excuse you gave us earlier which aint gonna fly

KnaxemDead said:

Before I go any further, I am not intending to insult anybody on this forum.
1dell and Kah want to admonish me for supposedly making more than what's there, yet let's take a look at what each of them are really saying.

KAH states this from his own wisdom and understanding..She (EVE) says "I have gotten a man from the Lord" The Lord is Cain's paternal father.

Obviously this 'YAHWEH' (LORD) that fathered CAIN, has bad genes (traits) because, CAIN was a murderer. According to 1dell to justify this, he quotes from Jhn 8:44 "Ye are of [your] father the devil,..He was a murderer from the beginning," To say that The Devil is father of CAIN and descendants of CAIN are of the DEVIL's PHYSICAL SEED (ZERA).

It is scripture is already clear as to who fathered CAIN, it says ADAM 'knew' EVE and she gave birth to a male child named CAIN. Yet they refuse to accept this because they do not understand the EXPRESSION of "I have gotten a man from the LORD" This is where their confusion comes in because they so bent on literal translation not understanding usage of ancient expressions. To them they articulate this as saying the "LORD himself fathered a CHILD, who was known as CAIN. " You see how ridiculous that is! It is further confirmed with 1dell saying "Just as N'kash seduced KHawah,"
Obviously they trying to distort this to fit an ideology of how CAIN father isn't ADAM, but again scriptures teach contrary to that.

[kAHANyAH]

son x [psonix] will suffice broham and pickles

1dell said:

Wow Kah, you're right how could i have missed that? lolol cheer up Buckaroo, you're the chosen 1

[KnaxemDead]

1dell please answer my other questions under 'ASK 1dell'. Kah is saying something totally different than point you are clarifying. Now, it goes into exactly what I was saying to you earlier. CAIN was the child of EVE, and ABEL was after likeness of ADAM, so when Seth replaced ABEL, scripture made it point out that SETH took after 'likeness' of his father, ADAM. I purposely didn't explain that expression till I get response back to my earlier questions first.

[1dell]

Dayum Dawg, you make a bruva work hard. whew!!! Crack that Whip ova yonda master, can a slave get some wota first?

Let me go on back and see what else you done said.

KnaxemDead said:

1dell please answer my other questions under 'ASK 1dell'. Kah is saying something totally different than point you are clarifying. Now, it goes into exactly what I was saying to you earlier. CAIN was the child of EVE, and ABEL was after likeness of ADAM, so when Seth replaced ABEL, scripture made it point out that SETH took after 'likeness' of his father, ADAM. I purposely didn't explain that expression till I get response back to my earlier questions first.

[kAHANyAH]

Derrick The story of Eve and Cain is the first story of the immaculate conception (which is really the story of a bastard child born in whoredom - temple of isis ). Cain is Jesus , Eve is Mary, Serpent is Gabriyel.

Cain fleeing to Nod; Jesus fleeing to Egypt. The stories are re-hashed. There are more examples. But these are the basic ones.

KnaxemDead said:

1dell please answer my other questions under 'ASK 1dell'. Kah is saying something totally different than point you are clarifying. Now, it goes into exactly what I was saying to you earlier. CAIN was the child of EVE, and ABEL was after likeness of ADAM, so when Seth replaced ABEL, scripture made it point out that SETH took after 'likeness' of his father, ADAM. I purposely didn't explain that expression till I get response back to my earlier questions first.

[1dell]

First off, Adam biologically fathered Qayin (Cain). It says so right in Genesis 4:1
Gen 4:1
And Adam knewEve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
This is exactly how it begins when speaking about the Geneology of Seth. Here we see that 'knew' is again implying a sexual encounter.
Gen 4:25
And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, [said she], hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

Yeah bro, almost just like before but there are differences. Lets think back for a second. Eve became a Goddess did she not? God created a man from soil no? How do we know Khawah couldn't have done the same? There are legends of women self impregnating themselves. Nevermind I don't even want to get off into that.

The notion that Adam isn't the father of Cain, perhaps fathered by the Satan is mention in THE LOST BOOKS OF THE BIBLE: FORGOTTEN BOOKS OF EDEN. This notion is not substantied or supported by the very book (Holy Bible) you said you stand on 1dell.

Dude, I stand on all the books of the Hebrews, not JUST the 66 canonized writings. I thought you knew that by now. Even those writings that appear to be fictional.

As far as my translation, you obviously overlooked the word 'PARAPHRASED'.
1.A restatement of a text or passage in another form or other words, often to clarify meaning.
2.The restatement of texts in other words as a studying or teaching device.

Literal translations would only frustrate the reader who is not aquainted with ancient biblical expressions that are mostly missed in literal translation. That's why as a teacher by leave of Allah and his Elohyim I have ability to make it clear as to who is being referred to in the scripture. Let's compare Translations

But see unlike you derek I want the REader to be able to make up their own mind so I present the transliteration word for word even though it sounds like broken english. I would rather them have that than something laced with my opinion, thats why I keep the scriptures in context laboring to paste moor than the scripture in question. I want people to have the freedom to logically see what I am saying not FORCE to into what I am saying. I am not afraid of them forming their own opinions. They are smart enough to see my points

To conclude, if you believe that this 'hatred' spoken in above verse is anybody else other than Cain and Abel Eve's offspring. Then you have a problem not with me but with The Bible itself.

Actually I don't have a problem with the bible itself because that angst is well placed. Because obviously they allied themselve with N'kash and he tutored them they were still salvageable...nevermind. But what was being spoken of in that verse didn't have anything to do with Qayin and H'bel because we are talking about 2 different kinds of seed: Of the N'kash the wisest life form on the planet and Woman, It's plainly visible to any reader whats going on.

People misinterept this scripture as though God is speaking to the serpent, implying that the serpent has a physical seed 'zera'. Thus it was 1dells opinion that Cain was fathered by devil who had sexual relations with Eve.

And they "misinterpret" correctly, he was a physical person and has a physical seed. Ask David Icke annem. Nah I ain't down with the Devil fathered Qayin thing.

Then you have some christians who take this out of context and try to apply it to Jesus stomping on the serpent's head, with woman then becoming 'Mary'' instead of 'Hawwah' who the Lord is obviously mentioning.

And they do so correctly

You have the Jews over here saying it's Jacob and Esau, yet Esau was a twin. Inotherwords they could have been identical or fraternal, nontheless they were twins. So the Genesis 3:15 is negated as it's referring to two different and distinct seeds.

oh ok we can agree on this they ARE 2 different distinct seeds. But you are saying they are Qayin and H'bel. So if Qayin is Adam's son and H'bel is Adam's son, then why don't you acknowledge that they are NOT 2 different distinct seeds? but the same seed? I think you might have just contradicted yourself there bro

So I would really like to see 1dell try to weasle his way out of this one. Ask 1dell who the 'woman' is exactly mention in Genesis 3:15, is it 'The Wife of Adam' or 'Mary' Mother of Jesus or is it 'Rebekah' Mother of Esau and Jacob?

thats easy bro, All of them How So? because IHaWaH is talking to the woman and ABOUT her seed which would include R'beqah and Miriyam everybody and their aunt knows that seed is both plural AND singular meaning bloodline

Ask 1dell according to his translation of Genesis 3:15
What does it mean by,"I set upon betwixt you and betwixt the woman " Who is is the 'YOU' that God is referring too?

uh hmmm I'll take "who is the N'kash" for $500 please

Ask 1dell according to his translation of Genesis 3:15, Did the All loving and compassionate LORD GOD put 'HATRED' between Eve's seed and the devil's seed, if so WHY?

Yepper, you keep harping on that word hatred like it's a bad thing. Don't put no sissy god on me bro. IHaWaH is a consuming fire, the bible records where he says he hates certain people, where he performs good and creates evil, he put enmity betwixt the builders of Babel and confound their languages for the same reason he put division between the woman and the n'kash. And I think I covered this earlier when I said they allied themselves to the N'kash, he put distrust in their heart toward IHaWaH

As he 1dell put it so plainly, "And it's obvious to me (1dell) who IHaWaH Alhiym is speaking to and who he's speaking about". Perhaps he is right, it's obvious only to him. So maybe he would like to clarify it this go round and maybe answer COURTNEY's question.

Actually on the contrary brohamburger and fries, it's obvious to everyone else but YOU. I still don't see how you can't seem to grasp it. I know what it is, you spend too much time listening to them CDs and tapes. I said it a few times already He is speaking to N'kash about the Bloodline of the Woman. You want me to Give you a specific person in history? Sure Ishua. Adam and KHawah were Kings and Queens of Earth "Let them have Dominion over all the...." this was speaking of a royal Blood line...." I'll leave that open so you can come back and sink your teeth back into it

[KnaxemDead]

It was EVE who was tricked and listen to the Serpent Nakhas, her child CAIN had also hearken to the Spirit Force called SIN that is to say ZUEN (Moon GOD). That makes him the offspring or seed of the Moon GOD, SIN insomuchas, he took after their likeness. This was CAIN's religion, which is encompassed in this seal

Later the MOON GOD became known in Arabic as 'ALLAH' and in EGYPT as 'YAH'. YAHWEH is short for YAH-MOON and WEH-SUN.

[KnaxemDead]

Two different and distinct seeds, were CAIN and SETH. Cain was offspring of Nakhas. Nakhas fathered Cain's lineage teaching them how to build cities, and be artificers of metals.
As far as Seth is concern, it is written that Hawwah (EVE) said Seth is 'acher' different seed. (Gen 4:25)

[Master-9]

Where are yall books?

[kAHANyAH]

Wait a sec! hold up, rewind! Aint that what I said and you said it was incorrect. Derrick you first said Cain was Adam's seed now I think you're coming 'round and saying cain is the seed of a N'kash, a moon deitiy. All N'kashim [iah] are moon/lunar deities. Which brings us to the orders of cherubims/seraphims - the brass serpents from the B'nei Elohim order.

According to the NT story, it was the cherubims who broke rank and descended to mate with the bathAdam (daughters of man).

KnaxemDead said:

It was EVE who was tricked and listen to the Serpent Nakhas, her child CAIN had also hearken to the Spirit Force called SIN that is to say ZUEN (Moon GOD). That makes him the offspring or seed of the Moon GOD, SIN insomuchas, he took after their likeness. This was CAIN's religion, which is encompassed in this seal

Later the MOON GOD became known in Arabic as 'ALLAH' and in EGYPT as 'YAH'. YAHWEH is short for YAH-MOON and WEH-SUN.