On The Road A-Gain with Paul

[Nehisi]

Rahuabaat,

I must commend you ~ Idell on the study that you did on the scroll "Saint Paul the Deceiver". That had to have taken a lot of time and effort. I guess I am late, I am just checking it out.

But I would like to present a question, if I may? In Revelations 2:2, which apostle or apostles was Jesus talking about? I can't figure iy out, But, it is no question that it is one of the apostles.

[CoUrTnEy]

I found this in a commentary - about Rev 2:2 - perhaps it will help, perhaps not.. check it out


2–3. I know thy works … labor … patience. In each letter it is indicated that Christ has absolute knowledge of what transpires in each local congregation. Deeds, toil, and perseverance are all virtues. Moreover, the Ephesians put to the test those claiming apostolic authority. The apostles were dying, and perhaps John was the only one left. The Ephesians kept their doctrine pure.
Further commendation is stated in verse 6, because the Ephesians hated the deeds of the Nicolatanes (lit., conquerors of the people). It is not known who they were, although some interpreters try to connect them with some sect. Archbishop Richard C. Trench states simply, “Nicolaitanism is clerisy” (Lectures on the Book of Revelation, p. 52
KJV Bible commentary. 1997, c1994. Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Nehisi said:

Rahuabaat,

I must commend you ~ Idell on the study that you did on the scroll "Saint Paul the Deceiver". That had to have taken a lot of time and effort. I guess I am late, I am just checking it out.

But I would like to present a question, if I may? In Revelations 2:2, which apostle or apostles was Jesus talking about? I can't figure iy out, But, it is no question that it is one of the apostles.

[1dell]

First of all let me ask you this, why is it that when a man is proven innocent it's impossible for him to be innocent after others have said he was guilty? I am speaking of Paul. But when a man is proven GUILTY by those around him and even himself admitted he was GUILTY, yet you continue to try and maintain his innocence. I am sick and tired of the double standard.

I can see here that not matter what you are GOING to TRY your hardest to find something wrong with Paul. You are not here to hear the truth or discover the truth, so for you I will give you the short version:

Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Here is where your hiccup is located "...thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars"

Lets find out what this means. The church of Ephesus which is one of the churches that Paul founded is said to have been very resourceful and patient Rev 2:2a and they CAN NOT stand those who are evil. First let's break this down. Paul wrote a letter called EPHESIANS, it's in the bible. It would do those who seek truth good to read the book and you will find Paul a Father speaking to his children, the church of Ephesians. You will find some of Paul's most clearest and fundamental teachings here in this book. This is where Paul's teachings are so much in line with Torah that it's undeniable that he taught the Gentiles Torah.

In fact Paul gives a warning against False Apostles and False Messiahs IN the letter to the Ephesians! Read the entire chapter 4 of the letter to the Ephesians.

Now back to what Ishua is saying in Hisgalus/REvelations because it's going to start to coincide:

"and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:"

And they had put to trial those fellows who called themselves apostles. And doing the process of trial, they were found NOT to be apostles but liars. I see where you are going with this. You are thinking that they found Paul a false apostle. And where do you get that Idea from? Proper research would show you that PAUL FOUNDED the church and taught them HOW to identify false prophets and apostles and messiahs. So whatever method they used to discover and try those false apostleS (I capitalize the letter S because there were many people during that time claiming to be apostles and they too have writing books that you can find in the New Testament Apogrypha, so don't make this personal to Paul) They learned from Paul because Paul taught them how to identify False teachers. Thats why I am able to identify York as a false apostle. And apostle just means one who has been sent.

As you can see the Messiah commends Paul's Church of Ephesus that they have done a great job. The ONLY problem the Messiah had with the church of Ephesus was that they left their first love REv 2:4. Now Paul is the head of that church meaning his is the first meaning that Whatever their FIRST love was, it was HE who taught them it. So how can this be a mark against Paul? If anything it's a pat on the back for the great job Paul had done

Lets go a few steps further Laodicea is also another church that Paul founded. I find it odd that for someone was supposed to be a false apostle the Messiah is surely interested in his churches. Of the 7 churches that Ishua is speaking to 2 of them are Pauls, if not moor. If Paul was a false apostle, why on EARTH would even ONE of his churches be recognized, let alone praised by the Messiah?

THIS is what I mean PEOPLE DON"T KNOW DIDDLY about the bible but yet want to snatch the book away in order to give them a plate of worms called nuwaubu! And DON"T even know that that well! UNTIL YALL become students of the bible, yall will forever fail to innerstand how this book works and continue to show forth that you all are not the masters of the religions that yall claim. Certainly enough I have proven your "master" teacher is continuously in error in dealing with this fabulous book.

I mean if you all found me wrong about one thing, you would think twice about accepting anything else I said. I have shown you where you OWN TEACHER has been wrong many times yet you still grasp a hold to his loin cloth. I don't innerstand that. Why the double standards?

Nehisi said:

Rahuabaat,

I must commend you ~ Idell on the study that you did on the scroll "Saint Paul the Deceiver". That had to have taken a lot of time and effort. I guess I am late, I am just checking it out.

But I would like to present a question, if I may? In Revelations 2:2, which apostle or apostles was Jesus talking about? I can't figure iy out, But, it is no question that it is one of the apostles.

[Nehisi]

Now, Now, Idell ~ I have no idea what you are implying. I have never read this scroll "St. Paul the Deceiver"!! I must hurriedly obtain it because I would like to know what got you so flustered!!!

I really didn't mean any harm ya' no, just asked a simple question. I guess I will get back with this later and give you some time to calm down.

A-Gain, so sorry I hit a nerve......
By the way , I thought in Hebrew - Saul meant - UNDERWORLD, Borrowed.

Darn, Shucks!!! Am I wrong A- Gain??

[1dell]

Nah that my bad, coconut puff. I get a lil passionate about the subject. I wish you could have heard me read it. I wasn't coming off angry at all. Sounding moor like a spoiled brat than anything.

So where were we?

We all some kin up in chere.

show a bruva some luv

Nehisi said:

Now, Now, Idell ~ I have no idea what you are implying. I have never read this scroll "St. Paul the Deceiver"!! I must hurriedly obtain it because I would like to know what got you so flustered!!!

I really didn't mean any harm ya' no, just asked a simple question. I guess I will get back with this later and give you some time to calm down.

A-Gain, so sorry I hit a nerve......
By the way , I thought in Hebrew - Saul meant - UNDERWORLD, Borrowed.

Darn, Shucks!!! Am I wrong A- Gain??

[Nehisi]

Well, first Idell, you need to know what was the First LOVE!!!


Jesus said, TEXT"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with All thy heart; and with all thy soul, and with all the mind. This is the first and great commandment."

TEXTThis is the First Love

[Nehisi]

CoUrTnEy said:

I found this in a commentary - about Rev 2:2 - perhaps it will help, perhaps not.. check it out


2–3. I know thy works … labor … patience. In each letter it is indicated that Christ has absolute knowledge of what transpires in each local congregation. Deeds, toil, and perseverance are all virtues. Moreover, the Ephesians put to the test those claiming apostolic authority. The apostles were dying, and perhaps John was the only one left. The Ephesians kept their doctrine pure.
Further commendation is stated in verse 6, because the Ephesians hated the deeds of the Nicolatanes (lit., conquerors of the people). It is not known who they were, although some interpreters try to connect them with some sect. Archbishop Richard C. Trench states simply, “Nicolaitanism is clerisy” (Lectures on the Book of Revelation, p. 52
KJV Bible commentary. 1997, c1994. Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Galatians 1: 11-24

[BalkisII]

Nehisi said:

Rahuabaat,

I must commend you ~ Idell on the study that you did on the scroll "Saint Paul the Deceiver". That had to have taken a lot of time and effort. I guess I am late, I am just checking it out.

But I would like to present a question, if I may? In Revelations 2:2, which apostle or apostles was Jesus talking about? I can't figure iy out, But, it is no question that it is one of the apostles.

Better LATE than NEVER!!!!

It is obvious that REVELATION in the NOW TIMES that WE ARE LIVING IN, so he, Jesus, was talking about FALSE APOSTLES IN THESE DAYS AND TIMES, IT SURE WAS NOT ABOUT PAUL.

I agree with you, EXCELLENT WORK by 1WONDER-EL!!!

[BalkisII]

CoUrTnEy said:

...2–3. I know thy works … labor … patience. In each letter it is indicated that Christ has absolute knowledge of what transpires in each local congregation. Deeds, toil, and perseverance are all virtues. Moreover, the Ephesians put to the test those claiming apostolic authority. The apostles were dying, and perhaps John was the only one left. The Ephesians kept their doctrine pure...

Paul, the author of Ephesians, had left "Priscilla and Aquila to continue the minstry in that city" (commentary from the NKJV) ...and they maintained the doctrine PURE!

It is good to see that women held the ministry also, and held it VERY WELL !!!

[BalkisII]

Nehisi said:

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Now, Now, Idell ~ I have no idea what you are implying. I have never read this scroll "St. Paul the Deceiver"!! I must hurriedly obtain it because I would like to know what got you so flustered!!!...

Well, if you wanna buy that, I might be able to sell you a copy, that and MANY more, even some REAL old titles from in the Ansaars days, that my sister sent to me. Even and AUTOGRAPHED COPY OF THE HARD COVER 2ND. ED. OF THE HOLY TABLETS, BY THE SGM HIMSELF!!!

YA know, got to get me children some toys for XMAS, after ALL!!!! ;D

Got to get on Ebay....

[Nehisi]

CoUrTnEy said:

I found this in a commentary - about Rev 2:2 - perhaps it will help, perhaps not.. check it out


2–3. I know thy works … labor … patience. In each letter it is indicated that Christ has absolute knowledge of what transpires in each local congregation. Deeds, toil, and perseverance are all virtues. Moreover, the Ephesians put to the test those claiming apostolic authority. The apostles were dying, and perhaps John was the only one left. The Ephesians kept their doctrine pure.
Further commendation is stated in verse 6, because the Ephesians hated the deeds of the Nicolatanes (lit., conquerors of the people). It is not known who they were, although some interpreters try to connect them with some sect. Archbishop Richard C. Trench states simply, “Nicolaitanism is clerisy” (Lectures on the Book of Revelation, p. 52
KJV Bible commentary. 1997, c1994. Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

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Dear, Dear Courtney, you did not have to go to a comment-tary, just keep reading!!! But of course, Jesus knew what was goin' on. So he continues:

Rev 2:4 NEVERTHELESS I HAVE SOMEWHAT AGAINST THEE, because thou has left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 REMEMBER !!.........
And do thy FIRST works.

Now you can keep on readin', for this was just the church of Ephesus. You will Notice there is a "BUT" in each church. Yes, Jesus knew everyTHANG that went on and is going on today.

He said, " I stand at the door, and knock." He is knocking at your door because He wants you to follow Him. Paul said, "FOLLOW ME". Paul said, "FOR I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU." Paul said, "IF ANY MAN OR ANGEL COME PREACHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I SAY, THEY ARE CURSED." Paul thought he was MR. IT. He thought he was better than anyone else. He didn't have to say he was a saint. He didn't have to say the word, but he saud the meaning of the word over and over a-gain. We know people like that today who always want to be in the spotlight. That is why he told that lie in Galatians that he IMMEDIATELY went to Arabia, didn't go by to see the disciples. Don't even give credit to Barnabas or when the disciples rescued him from the Jews because they were going to kill him. Jesus in Revelations brought to the chuches attention that something else is happening here, somethin' ain't completely right. It's not all good. check yo'self. Paul taught them how to identify any-body who did not preach what he preached. That is what paul taught.

Jesus said at the end of talking about the churches, He said' "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT saith unto the churches."

To Idell, which I know this is not a good time for you right now with your grandmother, that is why I am dealing with sista' Courtney here, BUT I wants you to know - I reads very well ~ Thank You.

[1dell]

Ok Pay attention class, I see there are some thangs that must be retaught:

Firstly the webmaster's name is NOT Idell/idell the name is 1dell as in ONEdell!!!

2ndly thusly takes us into today's lesson:

Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

It's impossible that that is the first love that Ishua is talking about here. because in order to do what he praises them for in verse 3 you HAVE to have love for God!!! First of all they endured and labored much for the name of Ishua. Now who is Ishua said to be? The Son of God. Did he not say him and his father are one? ARe not the works that he said to do really done for his father's kingdom? Aint NO WAY IN HADES they endured and worked that hard without a love for God so no that is NOT the first love.

Lets read the rest:

Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Ok, REmember from where you have fallen in other words remember who and what you were before you were converted, those sins that you practices and repent again of them and do the first works. The works being the things that are done initially in Christianity, or going back to the basics. The writer of the book of Ibry/Hebrews gives us a perfect example of what that is:

Hbr 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Hbr 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Here is where some good scholarship comes in handy. Firstly innerstand that there are many greek words for Love. The word used HERE is Agape.

AGape:
1) brotherly love, affection, good will, love, benevolence
2) love feasts

Now tell me, is that the kind of love one should have towards God? Indeed not. The word for Love towards God is Agapao.

Agapao:
1) of persons
a) to welcome, to entertain, to be fond of, to love dearly

2) of things
a) to be well pleased, to be contented at or with a thing

Phileo is another type of love. If you are familiar with the bible Ishua after his resurrection finds Kepa/Peter and asks him 3 times "peter do you love me" each and every time Ishua uses 3 different words for love.

Anyway obviously Ishua is NOT refering to Love towards God, but moor like love towards one another.

One good look at the book of Ephesians should give us some clues:

Eph 2:1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Now do you see what the ephesians repented from? This is how they were before their conversion. They were Given to witchcraft, given to a multitude of lusts and were basically acting upon their fierce anger. Ishua said they were slipping back into that again and needed to do the first works that helped them to conquer their nature.

There are 2 loves that are commanded upon us. Love towards God and Love towards Our fellow man. This issue of which Ishua speaks has much to do with how they dealt with one another. You look at their previous sins: Lusts, anger/wrath, witchcraft. Each one is committed against humandkind.

I hope we learned something today boys and girls.

1dell has spoken

Nehisi said:

Well, first Idell, you need to know what was the First LOVE!!!


Jesus said, TEXT"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with All thy heart; and with all thy soul, and with all the mind. This is the first and great commandment."

TEXTThis is the First Love

[1dell]

Lets get something skraightened out about that knocking thing.

We are at Revelations chapter 2:1-7. Where Ishua talks about knocking on doors is in Revelations 3:20 where he is talking to the church of Laodicea. LOL. 2 different messages.

Let me ask you something, When people knock on your door, do they do so, so they can come in or so you can leave your house and follow them? Most of the time they have something to give/offer you and or to come in. To those who have actually READ the bible they would find that rev 3:20 says

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Come on now. Ishua is knocking on the door because he wants some dinner. Ishua wants to fellowship with us. It aint about following nobody. LOL. Ishua GAVE apostles and disciples so that people could follow THEM. "greater things than these shall you do because I go unto my father" so he innerstood that he would die. That is why he trained hundreds of men to take his message to the rest of the world so that he could reach moor people that way. He didn't have a problem with people following other people. Thats why he trained his men to be accountable leaders so that when people followed them they would not follow them into error.

Come on now, the gospel was MEANT to be handed down in disciplic succession. Don't be silly.

As for Paul saying "follow me" You won't find that in the bible. You guys HAVE to innerstand, that these books of the new testament are moor like letters. Letters that Paul wrote from Jail to churches that he started himself.

Paul was a journeyman which means he would set up a church somewhere then find leaders to lead his church because he had another church to start in another country. He didn't PRESIDE over the church day to day. But he would be in contact with them to lead the leadership and help guide the members whenever possible. He was a Bishop and thats what a Bishop does. So some of this stuff you are trying to blame on Paul wouldn't even be his fault. He would maybe come by and visit for a bit of time then he would be on his way to visit another church he had already started. Thats how it was he was on tour all the time.

When he was inprisoned and couldn't visit his churches like he used to is when they started taking a decline, because Paul wasn't making his rounds and they started to get discouraged because they knew he was inprisoned and facing death.

Gnowledge is TRULY Power. I am sure if you all gnew the things I gnow you wouldn't have left the faith. I GUARANTEE it. But because yall were weak in knowledge and information concerning your bible, a man was able to come along and deceive you. Because without the knowledge you weren't able to ansaar his questions nor debate efficiently enough to turn him away.

thats why I can't WAIT to run into the york sons. they are sooo out of their league.

Nehisi said:

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Dear, Dear Courtney, you did not have to go to a comment-tary, just keep reading!!! But of course, Jesus knew what was goin' on. So he continues:

Rev 2:4 NEVERTHELESS I HAVE SOMEWHAT AGAINST THEE, because thou has left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 REMEMBER !!.........
And do thy FIRST works.

Now you can keep on readin', for this was just the church of Ephesus. You will Notice there is a "BUT" in each church. Yes, Jesus knew everyTHANG that went on and is going on today.

He said, " I stand at the door, and knock." He is knocking at your door because He wants you to follow Him. Paul said, "FOLLOW ME". Paul said, "FOR I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU." Paul said, "IF ANY MAN OR ANGEL COME PREACHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I SAY, THEY ARE CURSED." Paul thought he was MR. IT. He thought he was better than anyone else. He didn't have to say he was a saint. He didn't have to say the word, but he saud the meaning of the word over and over a-gain. We know people like that today who always want to be in the spotlight. That is why he told that lie in Galatians that he IMMEDIATELY went to Arabia, didn't go by to see the disciples. Don't even give credit to Barnabas or when the disciples rescued him from the Jews because they were going to kill him. Jesus in Revelations brought to the chuches attention that something else is happening here, somethin' ain't completely right. It's not all good. check yo'self. Paul taught them how to identify any-body who did not preach what he preached. That is what paul taught.

Jesus said at the end of talking about the churches, He said' "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT saith unto the churches."

To Idell, which I know this is not a good time for you right now with your grandmother, that is why I am dealing with sista' Courtney here, BUT I wants you to know - I reads very well ~ Thank You.[/quote]

[CoUrTnEy]

I was just trying to simplify things for ya dear, cuz you are definately running down the wrong path with your line of reasoning (which you clearly displayed in this post to me). That commentary was to help clear up your understanding - not mine. However, as always, 1dell did a much better job of explaining that I or any commentary could. Thanks 1dell for that schoolin'!!

Nehisi said:

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Dear, Dear Courtney, you did not have to go to a comment-tary, just keep reading!!! But of course, Jesus knew what was goin' on. So he continues:

Rev 2:4 NEVERTHELESS I HAVE SOMEWHAT AGAINST THEE, because thou has left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 REMEMBER !!.........
And do thy FIRST works.

Now you can keep on readin', for this was just the church of Ephesus. You will Notice there is a "BUT" in each church. Yes, Jesus knew everyTHANG that went on and is going on today.

He said, " I stand at the door, and knock." He is knocking at your door because He wants you to follow Him. Paul said, "FOLLOW ME". Paul said, "FOR I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU." Paul said, "IF ANY MAN OR ANGEL COME PREACHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I SAY, THEY ARE CURSED." Paul thought he was MR. IT. He thought he was better than anyone else. He didn't have to say he was a saint. He didn't have to say the word, but he saud the meaning of the word over and over a-gain. We know people like that today who always want to be in the spotlight. That is why he told that lie in Galatians that he IMMEDIATELY went to Arabia, didn't go by to see the disciples. Don't even give credit to Barnabas or when the disciples rescued him from the Jews because they were going to kill him. Jesus in Revelations brought to the chuches attention that something else is happening here, somethin' ain't completely right. It's not all good. check yo'self. Paul taught them how to identify any-body who did not preach what he preached. That is what paul taught.

Jesus said at the end of talking about the churches, He said' "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT saith unto the churches."

To Idell, which I know this is not a good time for you right now with your grandmother, that is why I am dealing with sista' Courtney here, BUT I wants you to know - I reads very well ~ Thank You.[/quote]

[Nehisi]

Glad to see you back 1dell, and look , I'mm sorry about the "I". I thought it looked kinda strange

Well, I have been real busy this week, cookin' my fine-self off!!!! I love the snow, Ilove this time of year!!! Don't you worry, 'yall, I will be getting back at cha ~ as soon as I can. I really think 1dell that the nuwaubians just haven't had the proper time to set you straight because it is so, well, let's say, a lot of our people are so blind and don't know it. Blind leading the blind in some cases. And Courtney, it was so cute how you responded only after 1dell finally did. I started this post the first of December!!! That's real cute.
By the way 1dell, are you a Capricorn? My son is a cap an you remind me so much of him. Also, are you a gnostic? I notice how you be spellin' with the "gn".

My Mom is 84 years old, and she is still cooking and getting excited about Christmas. So tomorrow I will be spending my time with all my love ones.

[glow=red,2,300]TEXT[/glow]I wish All of You a Happy and Blessed Day!!!! ...........................