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Post by BalkisII on Sept 16, 2004 7:13:03 GMT -5
Not because we sat around for weeks at a time in an office and came up with a "LINEAGE -that, CAN BE TRACED DIRECTLY TO THE ORIGINAL MUHAMMED OF SUDAN" means that it is TRUE. Those things were made up to "coincide" with incidents, that suited the purpose of the information that was being conveyed in the first place!
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Post by nuwaubianhotep on Sept 16, 2004 13:40:33 GMT -5
Not because we sat around for weeks at a time in an office and came up with a "LINEAGE -that, CAN BE TRACED DIRECTLY TO THE ORIGINAL MUHAMMED OF SUDAN" means that it is TRUE. Those things were made up to "coincide" with incidents, that suited the purpose of the information that was being conveyed in the first place! You have not provided any references other than hearsay to substantiate your claim that Dr. York's islamic lineage is made up. I on the other hand can prove to a large degree that indeed he (Dr. York) lineage from his fathers side can be directly traced to the Prophet Muhammed. Let's analyze it.  As Sayyid: Muhammad Son of Abdullat and Amina The True Arabian Prophet, and descendant of Ibrahiym who inspired As Sayyid: Muhammad Ahmad Al Madhi to write the Rabbtib 570 - 632 A. D.  As Sayyid: Al Imaam Muhammad Ahmad Al Madhi Descendant of The Prophet Muhammad and author of the Raatib 1845 - 1885 A. D [IMAGE NOT AVAILABLE AS OF YET.. STAY TUNED..] As Sayyid: Abdur Rahmaan Muhamman son of Muhammad Ahmad Al Mahdi  As Sayyid: Al Haddi Adbur Rahmaan Al Mahdi son of As Sayyid: Abdur Rahmaan Muhammad. 1922-1970 A.D.  Sayyid: Issa Al Saadi Al Mahdi (Divan) 1945 - still living |
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Post by CoUrTnEy on Sept 16, 2004 15:11:18 GMT -5
Where is this proof to a large degree? I dont see it.. all i see is a bunch of pictures.. does that mean that if i put up a picture with my face and a picture of someone else that looks similar to me, and then put up statements of relation between us that is unrefutable proof? Hardly.. Lets see some unrefutable proof. You have not provided any references other than hearsay to substantiate your claim that Dr. York's islamic lineage is made up. I on the other hand can prove to a large degree that indeed he (Dr. York) lineage from his fathers side can be directly traced to the Prophet Muhammed. Let's analyze it. As: Sayyid: Muhammad Son of Abdullat and Amina The True Arabian Prophet, and descendant of Ibrahiym who inspired As Sayyid: Muhammad Ahmad Al Madhi to write the Rabbtib 570 - 632 A. D. As: Sayyid: Al Imaam Muhammad Ahmad Al Madhi Descendant of The Prophet Muhammad and author of the Raatib 1845 - 1885 A. D Al Haddi Descendant of Al Imaam Muhammad Ahmad Al Madhi Dr. Malachi York's Father.  The Grand Mufti "Divan" Imperial Grand Potentate Noble: Rev. Dr. Malachi Z. Yorl-El 33/720 degrees As Sayyid: Issa Al Saadi Al Mahdi 1945 - still living |
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Post by Ralph on Sept 16, 2004 21:13:42 GMT -5
You have not provided any references other than hearsay to substantiate your claim that Dr. York's islamic lineage is made up. I on the other hand can prove to a large degree that indeed he (Dr. York) lineage from his fathers side can be directly traced to the Prophet Muhammed. Let's analyze it. As: Sayyid: Muhammad Son of Abdullat and Amina The True Arabian Prophet, and descendant of Ibrahiym who inspired As Sayyid: Muhammad Ahmad Al Madhi to write the Rabbtib 570 - 632 A. D. As: Sayyid: Al Imaam Muhammad Ahmad Al Madhi Descendant of The Prophet Muhammad and author of the Raatib 1845 - 1885 A. D Al Haddi Descendant of Al Imaam Muhammad Ahmad Al Madhi Dr. Malachi York's Father. The Grand Mufti "Divan" Imperial Grand Potentate Noble: Rev. Dr. Malachi Z. Yorl-El 33/720 degrees As Sayyid: Issa Al Saadi Al Mahdi 1945 - still livingSo barry where is York's lineage. Is he an Arab Sudanese or is his complexion like those who are being anihilated(the Dafur tribe) in the Sudan?? |
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Post by nuwaubianhotep on Sept 16, 2004 22:35:59 GMT -5
Where is this proof to a large degree? I dont see it.. all i see is a bunch of pictures.. does that mean that if i put up a picture with my face and a picture of someone else that looks similar to me, and then put up statements of relation between us that is unrefutable proof? Hardly.. Lets see some unrefutable proof. It is a known and established fact that The Briitish fought Mahdi's in Sudan during and after Muhammad's legacy. This in itself should establish the fact that the orginal Muhammad was Sudanese as were his descendants, and not Arabic/Persian as some would like to think. Divan's ancestory is from Sudan and he is directly related to Al Mahdi, author of the widely accepted holy book known as the Raatib. Divan has in his pocession the original papyrus written in Arabic which was handed down from generation-to-generation. |
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Post by BalkisII on Sept 17, 2004 6:02:13 GMT -5
You can ONLY present as "proof" what you READ from out of what york PUT in the books to prove to his lineage. You have no real documentation, other than what he -york told you in a book made up by him. Go ask Ummie, who his daddy is!!!! You have not provided any references other than hearsay to substantiate your claim that Dr. York's islamic lineage is made up. I on the other hand can prove to a large degree that indeed he (Dr. York) lineage from his fathers side can be directly traced to the Prophet Muhammed. Let's analyze it. |
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Post by Ralph on Sept 17, 2004 8:12:38 GMT -5
It is a known and established fact that The Briitish fought Mahdi's in Sudan during and after Muhammad's legacy. This in itself should establish the fact that the orginal Muhammad was Sudanese as were his descendants, and not Arabic/Persian as some would like to think. Divan's ancestory is from Sudan and he is directly related to Al Mahdi, author of the widely accepted holy book known as the Raatib. Divan has in his pocession the original papyrus written in Arabic which was handed down from generation-to-generation. Barry, how the hell you gonna put some actor up here who aint from the Sudan?? I asked you about the Dafur tribe. Is York from their lineage? He aint an arab. be careful how you answer. Check out the events in the Sudan,before you answer. Do you know what a Divan is??? |
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Post by nuwaubianhotep on Sept 17, 2004 10:09:08 GMT -5
You can ONLY present as "proof" what you READ from out of what york PUT in the books to prove to his lineage. You have no real documentation, other than what he -york told you in a book made up by him. Go ask Ummie, who his daddy is!!!! The pocession of the orignal Raatib should serve as evidence. You can purchase a copy at www.alleyesonegypt.net and see for yourself. From the Raatib: ...To show you the authenticity of this most sacred book, the following pages are copies of the original Raatib inscribed by hand, by my great-grandfater. As Sayyid: Al Muhammad Ahmad Al Mahdi - the one and only true Mahdi of the East. It was written in his language.. Sudanese Arabic..."Ralph, the link within the caption of the photo will explain why it is used. |
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Post by Ralph on Sept 17, 2004 15:49:10 GMT -5
Barry, I see you come in peace today, so I am going to help you a little. Leave the movie alone and look at this: Sudan Civil War Satellite Imagery - Darfur Satellite Imagery - Ardamata Camp Satellite Imagery - IDP Camps Sudan Civil War Sudan - First Civil War Sudan - Second Civil War Sudan - Political Groups Sudan - Peace Process (1993-) Sudan - Darfur Sudan - Links Opposition Groups Beja Congress Darfur Liberation Front Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) Janjawid / Janjaweed / Jingaweit Justice and Equality Movement National Democratic Alliance Sudan Alliance Forces [SAF] Sudan Liberation Army (SLA) Sudan Liberation Movement (SLM) Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA) Umma Party (UP) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/sudan.htm The ongoing civil war has displaced more than 4 million southerners. Some fled into southern cities, such as Juba; others trekked as far north as Khartoum and even into Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Egypt, and other neighboring countries. These people were unable to grow food or earn money to feed themselves, and malnutrition and starvation became widespread. The lack of investment in the south resulted as well in what international humanitarian organizations call a “lost generation” who lack educational opportunities, access to basic health care services, and little prospects for productive employment in the small and weak economies of the south or the north. The SPLA, and its NDA allies have received political, military and logistical support primarily from Ethiopia, Uganda and Eritrea. These states were firmly behind efforts to overthrow the Sudan Government and install in its place Sudanese opposition groups, operating under the umbrella of a coalition known as the National Democratic Alliance (NDA). From the outset, the SPLA had the support of the Government of Ethiopia. Uganda provided the SPLA with access to arms and permission to train its forces within its territory. Eritrea allowed the SAF to use its territory for training, and supports its activities. They received indirect support from the United States. The US allocated $20 million in “non-lethal” military assistance to SPLA supporters (Uganda, Eritrea, Ethiopia) in February 1998 for defense against opposition groups in their countries backed by Sudan. Sudan has long accused Eritrea, which has a hostile relationship with Khartoum, of providing training facilities and arms to the SPLA in the south, to rebel forces in Darfur, and another rebel group called Beja Congress in the east. Sudan has two distinct major cultures--Arab and Black African--with hundreds of ethnic and tribal divisions and language groups, which makes effective collaboration among them a major problem. The northern states cover most of the Sudan and include most of the urban centers. Most of the 22 million Sudanese who live in this region are Arabic speaking Muslims, though the majority also use a traditional non-Arabic mother tongue (i.e., Nubian, Beja, Fur, Nuban, Ingessana, etc.) Among these are several distinct tribal groups; the Kababish of northern Kordofan, a camel-raising people; the Ja’alin and Shaigiyya groups of settled tribes along the rivers; the seminomadic Baggara of Kordofan and Darfur; the Hamitic Beja in the Red Sea area and Nubians of the northern Nile areas, some of whom have been resettled on the Atbara River; and the Negroid Nuba of southern Kordofan and Fur in the western reaches of the country. The southern region has a population of around 6 million and a predominantly rural, subsistence economy. This region has been negatively affected by war for all but 10 years of the independence period (1956), resulting in serious neglect, lack of infrastructure development, and major destruction and displacement. More than 2 million people have died, and more than 4 million are internally displaced or become refugees as a result of the civil war and war-related impacts. Here the Sudanese practice mainly indigenous traditional beliefs, although Christian missionaries have converted some. The south also contains many tribal groups and uses many more languages than in the north. The Dinka (pop. est. more than 1 million) is the largest of the many Black African tribes of the Sudan. Along with the Shilluk and the Nuer, they are among the Nilotic tribes. The Azande, Bor, and Jo Luo are “Sudanic” tribes in the west, and the Acholi and Lotuhu live in the extreme south, extending into Uganda. Sudan was a collection of small, independent kingdoms and principalities from the beginning of the Christian era until 1820-21, when Egypt conquered and unified the northern portion of the country. Historically, the pestilential swamps of the Suud discouraged expansion into the deeper south of the country. Although Egypt claimed all of the present Sudan during most of the 19th century, it was unable to establish effective control over southern Sudan, which remained an area of fragmented tribes subject to frequent attacks by slave raiders. In 1881, a religious leader named Muhammad ibn Abdalla proclaimed himself the Mahdi, or the “expected one,” and began a religious crusade to unify the tribes in western and central Sudan. His followers took on the name “Ansars” (the followers) which they continue to use today and are associated with the single largest political grouping, the Umma Party, led by the descendant of the Mahdi, Sadiq al Mahdi. Taking advantage of conditions resulting from Ottoman-Egyptian exploitation and maladministration, the Mahdi led a nationalist revolt culminating in the fall of Khartoum in 1885. The Mahdi died shortly thereafter, but his state survived until overwhelmed by an Ango-Egyptian force under Lord Kitchener in 1898. Sudan was proclaimed a condominium in 1899 under British-Egyptian administration. While maintaining the appearance of joint administration, the British Empire formulated policies, and supplied most of the top administrators. |
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Post by ELTRUTH on Sept 20, 2004 21:19:10 GMT -5
how many people that worked in the office of LIVED on the land / upstate new york/ brooklyn is it going to take to PROVE that all those things in the books INCLUDING the linage was put together with RESEARCH to make SURE things matched? that is how he wanted it!!!!.. forget about the other artits that came after the original- go look up bahiyja- the ORIGINAL artists who drew most of the pictures comming out of the brooklyn era and SHE will tell u MANY times doc would come in the office with a picture and SAY: ' make this picture look like him or her or like the same family'. dont believe me - go check her out and ASK her. if u SAW the ORIGINAL pic of the mahdi it looks NOTHING like the draw one- he would litterally give her 2 pictures and tell her make sure they look alike. he had groups of people to sit down and THINK out the 'family tree' so it make scense and doesnt contradict what he may have said in another book- and IF it does to come up with something to make it make scence and BRIGDE the gaps- because there was ALWAYS an original thinkier that would point out his dicrepencies in the book and his MANY contradictions. i thought u was going to get up here with some genology RECORDS - but - lol  u dont have any.so is he sudanese? native america? rizqian?  he is what ever he needs to be to get other WEAK and searching for the truth individuals to BUY his books$$$$$. even the picture u use for 'As: Sayyid: Al Imaam Muhammad Ahmad Al Madhi Descendant of The Prophet Muhammad and author of the Raatib 1845 - 1885 A. D' is a SUPERIMPOSED picture of the mahdi picture and a picture of doc in the SAME pose. |
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Post by Ralph on Sept 20, 2004 21:58:23 GMT -5
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Post by nuwaubianhotep on Sept 22, 2004 8:57:16 GMT -5
how many people that worked in the office of LIVED on the land / upstate new york/ brooklyn is it going to take to PROVE that all those things in the books INCLUDING the linage was put together with RESEARCH to make SURE things matched? that is how he wanted it!!!!.. forget about the other artits that came after the original- go look up bahiyja- the ORIGINAL artists who drew most of the pictures comming out of the brooklyn era and SHE will tell u MANY times doc would come in the office with a picture and SAY: ' make this picture look like him or her or like the same family'. dont believe me - go check her out and ASK her. if u SAW the ORIGINAL pic of the mahdi it looks NOTHING like the draw one- he would litterally give her 2 pictures and tell her make sure they look alike. he had groups of people to sit down and THINK out the 'family tree' so it make scense and doesnt contradict what he may have said in another book- and IF it does to come up with something to make it make scence and BRIGDE the gaps- because there was ALWAYS an original thinkier that would point out his dicrepencies in the book and his MANY contradictions. i thought u was going to get up here with some genology RECORDS - but - lol u dont have any.so is he sudanese? native america? rizqian? he is what ever he needs to be to get other WEAK and searching for the truth individuals to BUY his books$$$$$. even the picture u use for 'As: Sayyid: Al Imaam Muhammad Ahmad Al Madhi Descendant of The Prophet Muhammad and author of the Raatib 1845 - 1885 A. D' is a SUPERIMPOSED picture of the mahdi picture and a picture of doc in the SAME pose. Raahubat, Let's try this again, this time study my post carefully before you respond. In addition I'll add additional information to support my statements. - 1. The entire Islamic world agrees that the Raatib was authored by the descendant of Muhammad who authored the Holy Quran.
- 2. There are now in exsistance 5 versions of the Raatib. Each author makes the claim of being the direct descendant of Muhammad. Divaan (Dr. York) in the intro of his Raatib shows and lists the errors of the other Raatibs to prove their plagury.
- 3. I already mentioned that copies of the original papyrus is printed in my Raatib. Which proves it's authenticity.
- 4. So, there are only 5 Raatibs of which Divan has the 1st and original copy. Even if you don't accept that fact the odds are given that, that only leaves four others that it is highly likely that Divan is a direct descendant of Muhammad.
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Post by Ralph on Sept 22, 2004 9:15:01 GMT -5
Raahubat, Let's try this again, this time study my post carefully before you respond. In addition I'll add additional information to support my statements. - 1. The entire Islamic world agrees that the Raatib was authored by the descendant of Muhammad who authored the Holy Quran.
- 2. There are now in exsistance 5 versions of the Raatib. Each author makes the claim of being the direct descendant of Muhammad. Divaan (Dr. York) in the intro of his Raatib shows and lists the errors of the other Raatibs to prove their plagury.
- 3. I already mentioned that copies of the original papyrus is printed in my Raatib. Which proves it's authenticity.
- 4. So, there are only 5 Raatibs of which Divan has the 1st and original copy. Even if you don't accept that fact the odds are given that, that only leaves four others that it is highly likely that Divan is a direct descendant of Muhammad.
The drawings are simply visual imagery, nothing more. NWB HTP Barry, Did you take the 3.5 hour ride to DC to represent the Yamassees?? Since I am banned on UNNM and also NUWorld Order, I wonder if anybody from the York camp went to DC to represent their tribe? Barry, this was a good time for you to step up since you are not far from DC. I bet it did not come across your mind... |
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Post by Brownbonnet on Sept 22, 2004 9:50:55 GMT -5
1. The entire Islamic world agrees that the Raatib was authored by the descendant of Muhammad who authored the Holy Quran.
(from Nuwaubian Hotep***)
Anyone--- please correct me if I am wrong---
actually, no one in the so-called islaamic world agrees that the ?Raatib york 'wrote' is authentic.....most muslims think york is a fraud and a con artist..... they claim that he simply took portions out of the original scripts..... just like he did in the so-called Holy tablets- he simply copied out some verses from the Proverbs and from Isaiah. And the Kings. And 1st/2nd Samuel. remember when york wrote about the lineage of Solomon? He added to the scripture; and if you read the Tablets closely you will see in "Al Masiyhiyyin" that york made David and Jonathan out to be faggots. He quoted the scripture word for word, then added his own opinion, then quoted the scripture some more, then added his own stuff (maybe stuff he borrowed from the other "scrolls" to back himself up) then actually began to falsify the story of David and Jonathan.... remember york wrote that after the hug and kiss, then David took the thing a step further and went beyond the situation. see york's subtle lying... As a result of this, i accept what the exmembers claim- that york made up his "doctrine" from stealing other religions.....
no one has yet shown the actual proof of york's Muhammadan descendancy. All cult leaders try this, and fail! Only the gullible would believe yorks' lying.
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Post by nuwaubianhotep on Sept 22, 2004 12:24:24 GMT -5
1. The entire Islamic world agrees that the Raatib was authored by the descendant of Muhammad who authored the Holy Quran. (from Nuwaubian Hotep***) Anyone--- please correct me if I am wrong--- actually, no one in the so-called islaamic world agrees that the ?Raatib york 'wrote' is authentic.....most muslims think york is a fraud and a con artist..... they claim that he simply took portions out of the original scripts..... just like he did in the so-called Holy tablets- he simply copied out some verses from the Proverbs and from Isaiah. And the Kings. And 1st/2nd Samuel. remember when york wrote about the lineage of Solomon? He added to the scripture; and if you read the Tablets closely you will see in "Al Masiyhiyyin" that york made David and Jonathan out to be faggots. He quoted the scripture word for word, then added his own opinion, then quoted the scripture some more, then added his own stuff (maybe stuff he borrowed from the other "scrolls" to back himself up) then actually began to falsify the story of David and Jonathan.... remember york wrote that after the hug and kiss, then David took the thing a step further and went beyond the situation. see york's subtle lying... As a result of this, i accept what the exmembers claim- that york made up his "doctrine" from stealing other religions..... no one has yet shown the actual proof of york's Muhammadan descendancy. All cult leaders try this, and fail! Only the gullible would believe yorks' lying. Sister, When you speak/write of the Raatib it's obvious as in your other posts upon other topics such as Nibiru, you are commenting without having fully studied and overstanding (supreme knowledge) the subject at hand. I have explained as much as I could without the reader having to have any prior knowledge of the Raatib. And yet your comments indicate that either you did not read what I wrote, or you didn't overstand it. The lineage of Muhaamad has been claimed by other Men besides Divan. However, Divan is only one of 4 other Men who state they hold the original text of the Raatib. This narrows the playing field down a bit don't you think Brownbonnet? If you feel as though Divan is not the descendant of Muhammad then present your evidence just as the High Priest did against Yvsvh. Matthew 26: 59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,
61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
62 And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?
63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy. |
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