Moorish Masonic Rite of Memphis-Mizraim

[Zandor]

1. Was Noble Drew Ali an initiate of the Ancient & Primitive Rite of Memphis-Mizraim?
www.antiqillum.com/texts/bg/Qadosh/qadosh079.htm
www.iss-ic-memphis-misraim.org/index.html



2. Was Noble Drew Ali a reincarnation of HIM?:
GABRIEL MATHIEU MARCONIS


an article from Mackey’s Encyclopaedia of Freemasonry, on Gabriel Mathieu Marconis:

“Marconis, Gabriel Mathieu, more frequently known as De Negre, from his dark complexion, was the founder and first G. Master and G. Hierophant of the Rite of Memphis, brought by Sam’l Honis, a native of Cairo, from Egypt, in 1814, who with Baron Dumas and the Marquis de la Rogne, founded a Lodge of the Rite at Montaubon, France, on April 30, 1815, which was closed March 7, 1816. In a work entitled The Sanctuary of Memphis, by Jacques Etienne Marconis, the author – presumably the son of G. M. Marconis – who styles himself the founder of the Rite of Memphis, thus briefly gives an account of its origin:

“’The Rite of Memphis, or Oriental Rite, was introduced into Europe by Ormus, a seraphic priest of Alexandria and Egyptian sage, who had been converted by St. Mark, and reformed the doctrines of the Egyptians in accordance with the principles of Christianity. The disciples of Ormus sontinued until 1118 to be the sole guardians of ancient Egyptian wisdom, as purified by Christianity and Solomonian science. This science they communicated to the Templars. They were then known by the title of Knights of Palestine, or Brethren Rose Croix of the East. In them the Rite of Memphis recognizes its immediate founders.’<br>
“The above, coming from the G. Hierophant and founder, should satisfy the most scrupulous as to the conversion of Ormus by St. Mark, and his then introducing the Memphis Rite. But Marconis continues as to the object and intention of his Rite:

“’The Masonic Rite of Memphis is a combination of the ancient mysteries; it taught the first men to render homage to the Deity. Its dogmas are based on the principles of humanity; its mission is the study of that wisdom which serves to discern truth; it is the beneficent dawn of the development of reason and intelligence; it is the worship of the qualities of the human heart and the impression of its vices; in fine, it is the echo of religious toleration, the union of all belief, the bond between all men, the symbol of sweet illusions of hope, preaching the faith in God that saves, and the charity that blesses.’<br>
“We are further told by the Hierophant founder that

“’The Rite of Memphis is the sole depositary of High Masonry, the true primitive Rite, the Rite par excellence, which has come down to us without any alteration, and is consequently the only Rite that can justify its origin and the combined exercise of its rights by constitutions, the authenticity of which cannot be questioned. The Rite of Memphis, or Oriental Rite, is the veritable Masonic tree, and all systems, whatsoever they be, are but detached branches of this institution, venerable for its great antiquity, and born in Egypt. The real deposit of the principles of Masonry, written in the Chaldee language, is preserved in the sacred ark of the Rite of Memphis, and in part in the Grand Lodge of Scotland, at Edinburgh, and in the Maronite Convent on Mount Lebanon.’<br>
“’Brother Marconis de Negre, the Grand Hierophant, is the sole consecrated depositary of the traditions of this Sublime Order.’<br>
“The above is enough to reveal the character of the father and reputed son for truth, as also of the institution founded by them, which, like the firefly, is seen now here, now there, but with no steady beneficial light.” – II Mackey’s 467.

[Ralph]

Eshu said:

1. Was Noble Drew Ali an initiate of the Ancient & Primitive Rite of Memphis-Mizraim?
www.antiqillum.com/texts/bg/Qadosh/qadosh079.htm
www.iss-ic-memphis-misraim.org/index.html



2. Was Noble Drew Ali a reincarnation of HIM?:
GABRIEL MATHIEU MARCONIS


an article from Mackey’s Encyclopaedia of Freemasonry, on Gabriel Mathieu Marconis:

“Marconis, Gabriel Mathieu, more frequently known as De Negre, from his dark complexion, was the founder and first G. Master and G. Hierophant of the Rite of Memphis, brought by Sam’l Honis, a native of Cairo, from Egypt, in 1814, who with Baron Dumas and the Marquis de la Rogne, founded a Lodge of the Rite at Montaubon, France, on April 30, 1815, which was closed March 7, 1816. In a work entitled The Sanctuary of Memphis, by Jacques Etienne Marconis, the author – presumably the son of G. M. Marconis – who styles himself the founder of the Rite of Memphis, thus briefly gives an account of its origin:

“’The Rite of Memphis, or Oriental Rite, was introduced into Europe by Ormus, a seraphic priest of Alexandria and Egyptian sage, who had been converted by St. Mark, and reformed the doctrines of the Egyptians in accordance with the principles of Christianity. The disciples of Ormus sontinued until 1118 to be the sole guardians of ancient Egyptian wisdom, as purified by Christianity and Solomonian science. This science they communicated to the Templars. They were then known by the title of Knights of Palestine, or Brethren Rose Croix of the East. In them the Rite of Memphis recognizes its immediate founders.’<br>
“The above, coming from the G. Hierophant and founder, should satisfy the most scrupulous as to the conversion of Ormus by St. Mark, and his then introducing the Memphis Rite. But Marconis continues as to the object and intention of his Rite:

“’The Masonic Rite of Memphis is a combination of the ancient mysteries; it taught the first men to render homage to the Deity. Its dogmas are based on the principles of humanity; its mission is the study of that wisdom which serves to discern truth; it is the beneficent dawn of the development of reason and intelligence; it is the worship of the qualities of the human heart and the impression of its vices; in fine, it is the echo of religious toleration, the union of all belief, the bond between all men, the symbol of sweet illusions of hope, preaching the faith in God that saves, and the charity that blesses.’<br>
“We are further told by the Hierophant founder that

“’The Rite of Memphis is the sole depositary of High Masonry, the true primitive Rite, the Rite par excellence, which has come down to us without any alteration, and is consequently the only Rite that can justify its origin and the combined exercise of its rights by constitutions, the authenticity of which cannot be questioned. The Rite of Memphis, or Oriental Rite, is the veritable Masonic tree, and all systems, whatsoever they be, are but detached branches of this institution, venerable for its great antiquity, and born in Egypt. The real deposit of the principles of Masonry, written in the Chaldee language, is preserved in the sacred ark of the Rite of Memphis, and in part in the Grand Lodge of Scotland, at Edinburgh, and in the Maronite Convent on Mount Lebanon.’<br>
“’Brother Marconis de Negre, the Grand Hierophant, is the sole consecrated depositary of the traditions of this Sublime Order.’<br>
“The above is enough to reveal the character of the father and reputed son for truth, as also of the institution founded by them, which, like the firefly, is seen now here, now there, but with no steady beneficial light.” – II Mackey’s 467.

Highly unlikable. The ROM was basically outlawed by Regular freemasonry and was put aside by Prince Hall freemasonry in 1881. Many are trying to research if Timothy Drew received his degrees. It is like the needle in the haystack....

[Master-9]

You mean WHERE he recieved his degrees?

[DenhamEL]

Islam!

Timothy Drew was a Mason/shriner! Prophet Drew ALI is not Timothy Drew! Timothy Drew left those "schools" in 1912 AD!

Peace, Love and Light!
Bro. Denham-El, Divine Teacher
MSTA/MDNM, "New Era of Time Now"
Sub. Temple #18

[Ralph]

I doubt if the MSTA would want Timothy Drew's history tainted with being made a mason of higher degrees in the Rite of Memphis. Carter. got to research it before you present it. As a mason, you are supposed to improve yourself in masonry, correct?

[DenhamEL]

Islamism and Greetings!

Thank you, Bro. Ralph, you are correct!


Peace, Light and Love!
Bro.Denham-El, Divine Minister
MSTA/MDNM

[Ralph]

DenhamEL said:

Islamism and Greetings!

Thank you, Bro. Ralph, you are correct!


Peace, Light and Love!
Bro.Denham-El, Divine Minister
MSTA/MDNM

Bro. Denham,
Glad that you co-signed that! Too many out there grabbing straws without trying to do the actual research.

Peace,
Ralph

[masterofnintharch]

The 'Noble Smith' that 'Master-9' mentions is the same gentleman that York had said crossed him at Mecca#1 in Georgia. I mention this only because his title and/or full name carried the 33*/95*...an obvious ref to the Memphis Mitsrayim rites being presently discussed.

There is a Grand Body in upstate NY, and then there is a Memphis body of white masons in Georgia who are affiliated with the mainstream F&AM body down there.

Brother Ralph, I'm interested in knowing what bogus or irregular bodies of moorish/black masons still implement these rites for advancement. I read Calvin Burt's book...it had some very nice allegory and lectures on geometry...he was entitled as a 96*, but again...Is the Memphis-Mitrayim system offered in the Masonic Congress or something? I've never heard of this being the case in my interaction with irregular masons.

PEACE

Ralph said:

Bro. Denham,
Glad that you co-signed that! Too many out there grabbing straws without trying to do the actual research.

Peace,
Ralph

[Ralph]

masterofnintharch said:

The 'Noble Smith' that 'Master-9' mentions is the same gentleman that York had said crossed him at Mecca#1 in Georgia. I mention this only because his title and/or full name carried the 33*/95*...an obvious ref to the Memphis Mitsrayim rites being presently discussed.

There is a Grand Body in upstate NY, and then there is a Memphis body of white masons in Georgia who are affiliated with the mainstream F&AM body down there.

Brother Ralph, I'm interested in knowing what bogus or irregular bodies of moorish/black masons still implement these rites for advancement. I read Calvin Burt's book...it had some very nice allegory and lectures on geometry...he was entitled as a 96*, but again...Is the Memphis-Mitrayim system offered in the Masonic Congress or something? I've never heard of this being the case in my interaction with irregular masons.

PEACE

There are not too many, but York was flamboyant with his
Calvin Burt basically did his won thing:
www.cabinda.net/sshistory17.htm
I have the original ritual written by John Yarker
You probably have seen this site also:
www.grandcollegeofrites.org/index.htm
Here are the patents that they used to get:
www.cabinda.net/ssdoc.htm
And more info:
www.memphis-misraim.us/#gdmaitre
Now they were discontinued with an agreement to the GO of France, but as usual, people are tied up in degrees and want that status.
It is considered spurious and has been popping up from time to time. That is why I laughed when I first saw York put those degrees behind his name. It was practiced by PH masonry back in the 1850-60s. but officially went out with the merging of the five Supreme Councils which are currently the United Supreme Council Northen and Southern Jurisdictions.... Hope that helped

[Ralph]

masterofnintharch said:

The 'Noble Smith' that 'Master-9' mentions is the same gentleman that York had said crossed him at Mecca#1 in Georgia. I mention this only because his title and/or full name carried the 33*/95*...an obvious ref to the Memphis Mitsrayim rites being presently discussed.

There is a Grand Body in upstate NY, and then there is a Memphis body of white masons in Georgia who are affiliated with the mainstream F&AM body down there.

Now the question is what Obedience is Mecca Number one under? Are the numbers 33/95 represent the Scottish Rite and the ROM? The ROM nowadays is considered like the Elks. No more a part of regular masonry. There are a lot of startups. All one has to do is buy the ritual, the rest is nothing more than a hustle to mis-lead people....
Peace

[Ralph]

Ralph said:

Now the question is what Obedience is Mecca Number one under? Are the numbers 33/95 represent the Scottish Rite and the ROM? The ROM nowadays is considered like the Elks. No more a part of regular masonry. There are a lot of startups. All one has to do is buy the ritual, the rest is nothing more than a hustle to mis-lead people....
Peace

www.masonicinfo.com/memphis.htm
i know Jeff Peace and boy did he take a beating for this...

[masterofnintharch]

that's funny...I know him also...though I am unaware of the particular events...at the time that I talked to him he claimed to be on good terms with the Grand Lodge of Georgia. My only thing is that he tried to aim everything at Greece under the auspices of an Egyptian styled Order that would presumably be dealing with more original works of masonry.

In anycase you are correct about being able to access the rituals and take it from there, but I am curious as to the body that currently functions out of upstatte NY, as I have a petition for their body which requires a wealth of recommendations, personal info, background info, a college degree, and the candidate must write an essay or two to accompany it all. This much impressed me as I feel the same standards should be imposed on the regular blue house for duly constituted bodies.

As for Mecca No#1, I believe that they are Amos Grand Lodge and MW pride of Georgia AF&AM related under the ever encompassing blanket of the Masonic Congress. I also know that T.W. Smith's use of 33/95* has nothing to do wiht the shrine or any International Shrine council in the mideast or north africa. It is definitely a ref to the AASR and ROMM.

PEACE!

Ralph said:

www.masonicinfo.com/memphis.htm
i know Jeff Peace and boy did he take a beating for this...

[Ralph]

masterofnintharch said:

that's funny...I know him also...though I am unaware of the particular events...at the time that I talked to him he claimed to be on good terms with the Grand Lodge of Georgia. My only thing is that he tried to aim everything at Greece under the auspices of an Egyptian styled Order that would presumably be dealing with more original works of masonry.

In anycase you are correct about being able to access the rituals and take it from there, but I am curious as to the body that currently functions out of upstatte NY, as I have a petition for their body which requires a wealth of recommendations, personal info, background info, a college degree, and the candidate must write an essay or two to accompany it all. This much impressed me as I feel the same standards should be imposed on the regular blue house for duly constituted bodies.

As for Mecca No#1, I believe that they are Amos Grand Lodge and MW pride of Georgia AF&AM related under the ever encompassing blanket of the Masonic Congress. I also know that T.W. Smith's use of 33/95* has nothing to do wiht the shrine or any International Shrine council in the mideast or north africa. It is definitely a ref to the AASR and ROMM.

PEACE!

Jeff is still in good graces with his GL, but he took a beating. For that, many jurisdictions came down with an edicat concerning the ROM.
I am curious to see the petition for the other group. Since when does an organization (with varying masonic principles) asks if you have a degree? Why should you have to write an essay? What if you can't write one?
Remember that "regular" freemasonry takes those from all walks of life. Those who are members of Greek fraternities also end up coming to the square.
So to the list who are Nuwaubians, Which is it? Did you get his degrees out of Cairo or from Mecca no. 1?

[DenhamEL]

Islamism!

Where is the lodge located in Upstate N.Y. I hope and pray that it is not the "cats" who claim affiliation to Cifford Hazel out of Baltimore Maryland who claims to be the "one" heading up this so called order of Moorish Masons which in itself is a joke! The Moorish order has nothing to do with Masonry, patriot sovereignty, talismans,astrology etc.. at all. Just get a Masonic encyclopedia and you will see what I mean! Be very careful of "bootleggers" and "renegades"! We have this same problem. Many claim to be Moorish this and that and many have no idea of who or What Prophet Drew ALI "returned, raised and ressurected" here in the Western Hemisphere for those who are under the "scars and mark" of the beast, these scars and marks being "black, colored, negro, ethiopian, afro and african american" These are the marks that will be on the foreheads and on the right hand of man. In other words your mind is no longer yours because those "scars" are titles that delude to slavery, because the European placed those "marks" on our people those of Moorish Descent, who are in violation and suffered slavery for simply not being ourselves but for straying and chasing after the false gods and idols of the Europeans who have enacted the book of "revelations" on our people!

Peace

[masterofnintharch]

just for the record...we definitely are not talking about the same body of ROM. The body I referred to is of the Sovereign Sanctuary for North America and they do not reference anything moorish or claim a Mooorish doctrine. I will say this..moorish science has much to do with masonry and astrology..even if you only look to the Noble Drew Ali for information you will find this is true. Have you ever read his story of the working tools of a master builder?

PEACE

DenhamEL said:

Islamism!

Where is the lodge located in Upstate N.Y. I hope and pray that it is not the "cats" who claim affiliation to Cifford Hazel out of Baltimore Maryland who claims to be the "one" heading up this so called order of Moorish Masons which in itself is a joke! The Moorish order has nothing to do with Masonry, patriot sovereignty, talismans,astrology etc.. at all. Just get a Masonic encyclopedia and you will see what I mean! Be very careful of "bootleggers" and "renegades"! We have this same problem. Many claim to be Moorish this and that and many have no idea of who or What Prophet Drew ALI "returned, raised and ressurected" here in the Western Hemisphere for those who are under the "scars and mark" of the beast, these scars and marks being "black, colored, negro, ethiopian, afro and african american" These are the marks that will be on the foreheads and on the right hand of man. In other words your mind is no longer yours because those "scars" are titles that delude to slavery, because the European placed those "marks" on our people those of Moorish Descent, who are in violation and suffered slavery for simply not being ourselves but for straying and chasing after the false gods and idols of the Europeans who have enacted the book of "revelations" on our people!

Peace