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Post by Ralph on May 13, 2004 9:31:32 GMT -5
Hotep, Ralph I didn't like the conversation becuase I felt like bro. bey was playing games. he said that he read most of the books, however, if that were true, he would not be asking some of the questions he asked. In my opinion, he tried to assassinate Dr. York's character because some of the questions asked had nothing to do with masonry. Bro. bey was trying to trap him. If the whole converstion is about the NGL being "bogus" then bro. bey easily could have said in one breath something like "from our research we found your masonic lodge to be bogus and afiliated with other bogus lodges. What are your thoughts on this?" simple. peace Tum-re, Put that in the guest book. Your reply has made the best sense....
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Post by TumRe on May 13, 2004 10:46:30 GMT -5
Hotep,
Now, what are you going to do about it? Are you going to address what I previously mentioned to bro.bey for conducting a poor interview that leads to slander and misinterpretation of the doctrine? Or are you going to let it ride as one of your brethren speaks ill of another man and organization whoose aim, like all the rest, is to raise the conciousness of our people and teach us about love of self and kind?
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Post by TumRe on May 13, 2004 10:49:20 GMT -5
Hotep, I would also like to say that it is obvious that Master-9 is not going to address your questions because of his reasons. So, the only one to address your questions is the brother Kuwsh. Once again, he obviously is not responding to you either because he doesn't know what's going on across the plains of the inter-net, or he chooses not to respond because of his reasons. until he answers your questions, let it ride man.
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Post by Ralph on May 13, 2004 10:54:34 GMT -5
Hotep, I would also like to say that it is obvious that Master-9 is not going to address your questions because of his reasons. So, the only one to address your questions is the brother Kuwsh. Once again, he obviously is not responding to you either because he doesn't know what's going on across the plains of the inter-net, or he chooses not to respond because of his reasons. until he answers your questions, let it ride man. Tum-re, You must be an observer on the UNNM forum! I have let it ride since I put that offer out there. It has been four years. While some think they are playing me to get answers, I have done nothing more than to have some question York's masonic group and also his intentions. You will not believe the backchannel emails I have received since I have joined this forum and other Nuwaupian forums. Besides Carter asking me to leave, I have enjoyed myself here and will continue to do so. Peace to you my brother. I know why Mike Turner will not adress me. he is an expelled PH mason, and to have that over your head brings shame......
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Post by TumRe on May 13, 2004 16:30:56 GMT -5
Wah wah(ok)
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Post by Master-9 on Jul 10, 2004 17:59:51 GMT -5
My Grand Father, The Late Most Worshipful Albert Anderson (1904-1976) Which the Anderson Lodge(#?) in East Baton Rouge, La. was erected after his family name. He was the pastor of three churches at the same time. There was a lot of "Yorks" in his lodge which assisted my mother when she moved to Georgia with funisher and transportation.
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Post by Ralph on Jul 12, 2004 15:52:07 GMT -5
My Grand Father, The Late Most Worshipful Albert Anderson (1904-1976) Which the Anderson Lodge(#?) in East Baton Rouge, La. was erected after his family name. He was the pastor of three churches at the same time. There was a lot of "Yorks" in his lodge which assisted my mother when she moved to Georgia with funisher and transportation. I have been out of town the last few days, but Carter, looking at this pic(no disrespect) your Grandfather has on a 33rd crown, along with blue house regalia. A no-no in regular freemasonry...
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Post by Master-9 on Jul 12, 2004 17:31:30 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I can't ask him why he combined those two houses:-(
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jul 12, 2004 18:28:01 GMT -5
damm M9!! Now I really feel small in front of you! Dude, I gave you props for coming from a royal blood line wit your father being part of a major black struggle and all. But I did not know this royal-ness goes back to even your grand pops!! wow dude!! Walk always wit your head high bros. Your blood is indeed royal and I aint puttin you on a pedastal. Just keepin it real. My Grand Father, The Late Most Worshipful Albert Anderson (1904-1976) Which the Anderson Lodge(#?) in East Baton Rouge, La. was erected after his family name. He was the pastor of three churches at the same time. There was a lot of "Yorks" in his lodge which assisted my mother when she moved to Georgia with funisher and transportation.
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Post by Master-9 on Jul 12, 2004 21:30:47 GMT -5
Thanks Kah(BzB)!!!!
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Post by nuwaubianhotep on Sept 6, 2004 21:47:20 GMT -5
Islam.. This thread has been enlightening and highly appreciative (ignoring all the personal attacks). I have formulated a new opinion of Freemasonry in particular as I was opposed to it's use of Euro-Symbolism. Golden Eagle's pasting of the graphic of the symbol of G within the Dendara Circle was most refreshing. My question to Ralph if you would be so kind as to answer is; 'What authority does the Prince Hall Masonry have to view other nubian based Masonic Lodges as irregular when only 37 out of 51 established Freemasonic Lodges in the US view the PGL as regular?In certain equisite circles the Prince Hall Masonry is seen as ' profane and irregular'. Your jurisdiction can have no real merit until you gain complete and total acceptance from all established Lodges. Under the law a certified professional practioner has full legality to adminsiter his practice within the parameter of his legal arena. The Prince Hall Lodge does not have this luxury. bessel.org/masrec/phachart.htm
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Post by Ralph on Sept 6, 2004 22:26:11 GMT -5
Islam.. This thread has been enlightening and highly appreciative (ignoring all the personal attacks). I have formulated a new opinion of Freemasonry in particular as I was opposed to it's use of Euro-Symbolism. Golden Eagle's pasting of the graphic of the symbol of G within the Dendara Circle was most refreshing. My question to Ralph if you would be so kind as to answer is; 'What authority does the Prince Hall Masonry have to view other nubian based Masonic Lodges as irregular when only 37 out of 51 established Freemasonic Lodges in the US view the PGL as regular?In certain equisite circles the Prince Hall Masonry is seen as ' profane and irregular'. Your jurisdiction can have no real merit until you gain complete and total acceptance from all established Lodges. Under the law a certified professional practioner has full legality to adminsiter his practice within the parameter of his legal arena. The Prince Hall Lodge does not have this luxury. bessel.org/masrec/phachart.htm Barry, Your greetings(Islam) is not sincere. You eat too much hog for me to believe that you are truly at peace with yourself. YOu claim to follow the Nuwaubian doctrine, but with your overeating of the pork, you are not true to any grass root doctrine. Now I am trying my best not to bring the garbage over from the other forum where you tried to debate with inferior references, but here we go. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that Freemasonry is not about color. Masonic law you know nothing about, so until you get a working knowledge of it, I am wasting my time answering you. I will leave a picture for you Barry. Within this picture will tell you why Freemasonry between African american and caucasians is a sorry sad state of affairs. We have recognition here in Arizona and also New Jersey. Have you truly taken the time out to read some of the horror stories that have happened to those who have left those bogus organizations and have come over to us? In case you do not know, fighting bogus GLs is nothing new. It has gone on for over 100 years. Got some studying to do. Will look forward to yourreply tomorrow...
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Post by nuwaubianhotep on Sept 7, 2004 11:34:53 GMT -5
Barry, Your greetings(Islam) is not sincere. You eat too much hog for me to believe that you are truly at peace with yourself. YOu claim to follow the Nuwaubian doctrine, but with your overeating of the pork, you are not true to any grass root doctrine. Now I am trying my best not to bring the garbage over from the other forum where you tried to debate with inferior references, but here we go. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that Freemasonry is not about color. Masonic law you know nothing about, so until you get a working knowledge of it, I am wasting my time answering you. I will leave a picture for you Barry. Within this picture will tell you why Freemasonry between African american and caucasians is a sorry sad state of affairs. We have recognition here in Arizona and also New Jersey. Have you truly taken the time out to read some of the horror stories that have happened to those who have left those bogus organizations and have come over to us? In case you do not know, fighting bogus GLs is nothing new. It has gone on for over 100 years. Got some studying to do. Will look forward to yourreply tomorrow... Islam, Brother, my eating of pork has noting to do with my line of questioning toward you. It only shows your infamy and unwillingness to submit to the truth of my statement. Allah is merciful. But those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance,- they are companions of the Fire, to dwell therein (for ever). [007.036/YUSUFALI] I think Bessel has compiled his factology quite resiliently. If you disagree with his statistics then state that and leave the petty banter/attacks for your personal conversations. The fact still remains that if the Prince Hall Lodge is not completely accepted by all Masonic Lodges then they have no authority to label and disenfranchise other Lodges as bogus and profane. Anyone can practice medicine, but only a licensed Doctor is certified to do it legally. If a Lodge is not practicing Freemasonry to the standards of the Prince Hall Mason then state this. Other than that you have no real authority, for a significant portion of regular Masonic Lodges in the United States consider yours 'irregular'. And as far as I'm concerned the southern location of these Lodges who view yours as profane is irrelevant, if these Lodges are practicing Masonic Law correctly then they are not 'racist'. Even you Brother have provided information indicating that Albert Pike was not a racist. "They very charter of the Prince Hall Lodge by today's standards would be considered irregular". I would presume Bessel was referring to the non-payment of rolls when he wrote that statement. Never-the-less, I am not here to judge the regularity or the irregularity of the Prince Hall Lodge, I was merely making a point of reference. Islam
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Post by Ralph on Sept 7, 2004 14:51:11 GMT -5
Islam, Brother, my eating of pork has noting to do with my line of questioning toward you. It only shows your infamy and unwillingness to submit to the truth of my statement. Allah is merciful. But those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance,- they are companions of the Fire, to dwell therein (for ever). [007.036/YUSUFALI] I think Bessel has compiled his factology quite resiliently. If you disagree with his statistics then state that and leave the petty banter/attacks for your personal conversations. The fact still remains that if the Prince Hall Lodge is not completely accepted by all Masonic Lodges then they have no authority to label and disenfranchise other Lodges as bogus and profane. Anyone can practice medicine, but only a licensed Doctor is certified to do it legally. If a Lodge is not practicing Freemasonry to the standards of the Prince Hall Mason then state this. Other than that you have no real authority, for a significant portion of regular Masonic Lodges in the United States consider yours 'irregular'. And as far as I'm concerned the southern location of these Lodges who view yours as profane is irrelevant, if these Lodges are practicing Masonic Law correctly then they are not 'racist'. Even you Brother have provided information indicating that Albert Pike was not a racist. "They very charter of the Prince Hall Lodge by today's standards would be considered irregular". I would presume Bessel was referring to the non-payment of rolls when he wrote that statement. Never-the-less, I am not here to judge the regularity or the irregularity of the Prince Hall Lodge, I was merely making a point of reference. Islam Barry, I know Bro. Paul Bessel well. As a matter of fact, I have forwarded some information to him on many occasions to help his site. Now for the seriousness of your post. You answered above why we consider the other AA GLs who cannot trace their lineage back to Boston, Mass. read your statement about being a doctor and not being able to practice medicine in other countries or states. That is the same way with Freemasonry. In modern day masonry(Notice, I stated modern day) every GL has to be birthed by some grand body of competent jurisdition. YOu are in a research mode. tell me where the Bogus bobs get their authority? YOu have seen "Coming to America" Correct? Look at how my man was lokking out the window due to him copying off of McDonald's. barry, if you are going to research, don't do it "half-ass". Complete the circle my brother...
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Post by Master-9 on Sept 7, 2004 18:36:13 GMT -5
aa In modern day masonry(Notice, I stated modern day) every GL has to be birthed by some grand body of competent jurisdition. What Grand Body gave African Lodge the authority to become a Grand Lodge?
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