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Post by gamaliel on Jul 10, 2004 6:23:55 GMT -5
How do you blaspheme the Holy Ghost? I heard the traditional church commentary on it that it means attributing works of the Holy Ghost to the devil or demonic spirits. Here's MARK 3: 28-29 NIV translation
"I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."
Whats yall take on this scripture? Can a non-believer blaspheme?
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Post by gamaliel on Jul 10, 2004 7:15:23 GMT -5
I would like to add that eventhough I put this under the Christian forum I overstand there are other views on who the Holy Spirit is be it in Judaism, Islam, Jehovah Witness, Nuwaubian, etc. All are welcome to explain this verse. Thanx.
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jul 11, 2004 7:39:56 GMT -5
im'a look this up and howla back at ya.
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Post by 1dell on Jul 11, 2004 8:19:08 GMT -5
That is the context of innerstanding Gamaliel. Because in that passage where Ishua is telling the Perushym this, it's because they say he has a devil in him and it's by the power of the devil that he does these things. Then he rebuts with that.
It can even go so far as to dishonor a prophet because that is what ishua was and by them saying that they were calling him a false prophet.
If that is the case then MANY MANY christians are blaspheming the Ruakh HaQ'desh!!! Why do I say that? Because to the Christian ANYTHING that is bad that happens they blame the devil. Believe or not when I was Deacon Wallace, I heard many christians blaming their flat tires on the devil. One lady said that the hot water in her house stop working and it was the devil doing it. The devil tried to kill their child, the devil took their boyfriend/girlfriend. yada yada. Some of the most ridiculous stuff I have ever heard. In many cases it was God trying to either protect them or bless them, but them fools couldn't see it. Because it was bad to THEM they didn't innerstand how God worked. They didn't see the entire picture, the forest for the trees if you will. But I saw it plain as day.
Yeah they were blaspheming the work of the Holy Spirit.
But there are other ways to blaspheme
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Post by gamaliel on Jul 11, 2004 8:43:14 GMT -5
1dell I cant argue with that. I was raised in a pentecostal environment COGIC, etc. and yes the devil got the blame for anything bad. Sumthin' good it was"thank you Jesus". Only know do I see sum Christians realizing that when bad things it could very well be the Holy Spirit tryin' to get their attention. But asb for those old-school church folks forget about it. Thing that gets me is that Jesus seems to say you can DO ANYTHING blasphemous except attribute works of the Holy Spirit to the devil. You can blaspheme God, the prophets, Jesus himself, but not the Holy Spirit. Thats what Im trying to overstand here most of all. 1dell you was a deacon?  |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jul 11, 2004 10:45:46 GMT -5
I meditated on blaspheming spirit and this is what I came up with... When I read the acct. in Mark one thing that stands out is the comparison between the work of Be-el-ze-bub and that of the spirit of G-d, that is their power to cast out devils. It is in that contxt. Ieshua reveals a mystery to us, the mystery of the holy ghost and forgiveness. What we are dealing with here is a proto type spirit vs. counter-feit, both having the power to cast out. However the original has something over the copy. Ieshua was accused of casting out devilish spirits by the power of Bel'Zebub. However he denied it and claimed it was done with the spirit of G-d. Here is where it gets tricky and shows why its important to read all gospels that speak on a particular parable. We must goto luke to get the understanding of why when one blasphemes against the entity called the holy ghost, there is no forgiveness. In luke 24th chp. it speaks of casting out spirits and the power of beel-ze-bub . However in luke it introduces the concept of what happens after devilish spirits are dispelled. Lets analyze, - Luk 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
- Luk 11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth [it] swept and garnished.
- Luk 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh [to him] seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last [state] of that man is worse than the first.
Here is the mystery and why its important not to slander the entity called the holy ghost. Both Bel'zebub and the spirit of G-d can dispell spirits. However the spirit of G-d has an advantage over the belzebub prince of the devils. Once the host [corpus/human body] is rid of unclean spirits, it becomes empty or void. Thats the key in the luke verse [vs. 25 And when he cometh, he findeth [it] swept and garnished]. And both Belzebub and the spirit of G-d have the power to effect this quote/unquote majik we just read in that verse. BUT... In order to prevent these same unclean spirits from returning or re-entering the body, it must be filled up thus preventing the re-possession. This is where the holy ghost comes in. What do humans need to fill up the space where the unclean spirits once inhabited and stave off these elements from coming back ? The holy ghost fills up the space inside the empty shell where "unclean" spirits lurk and take shelter. There is no other force strong enuf to fill up the human shell to ward off these "unclean" spirits except the holy ghost. Only the spirit of G-d can adjure the holy ghost into a human body. Bel'zebub cannot command the holy ghost. Because of this he fails at securing the majik of casting out. Though he casts out, what can he replace in the shell to prevent those same unclean spirits from re-entering ? NOTHING. Therefor his kingdom is divided against itself. If you blaspheme against the holy ghost then she [she is an entity] will refuse from entering you and filling you up (this is where the concept "being filled with the holy ghost" stems from) to block off the unclean spirits from coming back. As a result, what is expressed in Luke occurs with you. You are swept and garnished inside from the casting out of spirits but you have nothing to fill up this empty space. Now the same unclean spirit will bring with him 7 more spirits deadlier then himself and enter you. You are condemned based on the numerology used here - SEVEN. I will touch on that in another post. There is no forgiveness for you. She has decided not to enter you and left your fate in the hands of these seven. The holy ghost is the arc angel GABRIEL. What gabriel fills your corpus womb with is a babe [babylon - bab'e lon called baby elyon]. But thats a whole nother subject itself!!! |
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Post by Zakiah Levanah on Jul 11, 2004 10:57:02 GMT -5
The word blaspheme in its technical sense signifies; speaking evil of the Almighty or His name. According to Strong's Concordance the word blaspheme means to speak evil of, rail on, revile, defame, slander, insult and vilify. In the Old Testament, blasphemy was punishable by stoning which was inflicted on the son of Shelomith in Leviticus 24:10-16. But why was it so deep and unforgivable to blaspheme the holy spirit. I mean transgression of the other laws are forgiven and supposedly covered by the blood of the messiah. HMMMMM. Also is there a OT law about this and why is it so much deeper than blaspheming directly in God's name directly I mean can I slander God be sorry and get away with it but not the spirit of holiness. Is it the Spirit of holiness that makes God holy or God that makes it holy......  |
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Post by Zakiah Levanah on Jul 11, 2004 11:05:53 GMT -5
I meditated on blaspheming spirit and this is what I came up with... When I read the acct. in Mark one thing that stands out is the comparison between the work of Be-el-ze-bub and that of the spirit of G-d, that is their power to cast out devils. It is in that contxt. Ieshua reveals a mystery to us, the mystery of the holy ghost and forgiveness. What we are dealing with here is a proto type spirit vs. counter-feit, both having the power to cast out. However the original has something over the copy. Ieshua was accused of casting out devilish spirits by the power of BeelZebub. However he denied it and claimed it was done with the spirit of G-d. Here is where it gets tricky and shows why its important to read all gospels that speak on a particular parable. We must goto luke to get the understanding of why when one blasphemes against the entity called the holy ghost, there is no forgiveness. In luke 24th chp. it speaks of casting out spirits and the power of beel-ze-bub . However in luke it introduces the concept of what happens after devilish spirits are dispelled. Lets analyze, - Luk 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
- Luk 11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth [it] swept and garnished.
- Luk 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh [to him] seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last [state] of that man is worse than the first.
Here is the mystery and why its important not to slander the entity called the holy ghost. Both Belzebub and the spirit of G-d can dispell spirits. However the spirit of G-d has an advantage over the belzebub prince of the devils. Once the host [corpus/human body] is rid of unclean spirits, it becomes empty or void. Thats the key in the luke verse [vs. 25 And when he cometh, he findeth [it] swept and garnished]. And both Belzebub and the spirit of G-d have the power to effect this quote/unquote majik we just read in that verse. BUT... In order to prevent these same unclean spirits from returning or re-entering the body, it must be filled up thus preventing the re-possession. This is where the holy ghost comes in. What do humans need to fill up the space where the unclean spirits once inhabited and stave off these elements from coming back ? The holy ghost fills up the space inside the empty shell where unclean spirits lurk and take shelter. There is no other force strong enuf to fill up the human shell to ward off these unclean spirits except the holy ghost. Only the spirit of G-d can adjure the holy ghost into a human body. Belzebub cannot command the holy ghost. Because of this he fails at securing the majik of casting out. Though he casts out, what can he replace in the shell to prevent those same unclean spirits from re-entering ? NOTHING. Therefor his kingdom is divided against itself. If you blaspheme against the holy ghost then she [she is an entity] will refuse from entering you and filling you up (this is where the concept "being filled with the holy ghost" stems from) to block off the unclean spirits from coming back. As a result, what is expressed in Luke occurs with you. You are swept and garnished inside from the casting out of spirits but you have nothing to fill up this empty space. Now the same unclean spirit will bring with him 7 more spirits deadlier then himself and enter you. You are condemned based on the numerology used here - SEVEN. I will touch on that in another post. There is no forgiveness for you. She has decided not to enter you and left your fate in the hands of these seven. The holy ghost is the arc angel GABRIEL. What gabriel fills your corpus womb with is a babe [babylon - babe called lon called elyon]. But thats a whole nother subject itself!!! That was interesting. I always thought of the Holy Ghost as a she because of some Proverbs I read about wisdom (chochmah). How she was being described as floating across the waters in the beggining. It even speaks of if you go against her being no forgiveness (I'm going from memory) I think Proverbs 22. |
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Post by Zakiah Levanah on Jul 11, 2004 17:02:27 GMT -5
That was interesting. I always thought of the Holy Ghost as a she because of some Proverbs I read about wisdom (chochmah). How she was being described as floating across the waters in the beggining. It even speaks of if you go against her being no forgiveness (I'm going from memory) I think Proverbs 22. It was Proverbs 27 that made me relate to the Holy Spirit in Genesis. |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jul 11, 2004 17:38:45 GMT -5
She [holy ghost] is gabrielle. Then again many think gabriel is a dude which would make him gay briel the trans-sexual who translates worshippers of G-d  And would also explain how a femi9 aspect of G-d could enter in a female name Mary cause come to think about it, that is GAY . Hmmm...  To much sodom and gomorrah doctrine up in chere  It was Proverbs 27 that made me relate to the Holy Spirit in Genesis. |
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Post by Zakiah Levanah on Jul 12, 2004 8:25:44 GMT -5
She [holy ghost] is gabrielle. Then again many think gabriel is a dude which would make him gay briel the trans-sexual who translates worshippers of G-d And would also explain how a femi9 aspect of G-d could enter in a female name Mary cause come to think about it, that is GAY . Hmmm... To much sodom and gomorrah doctrine up in chere Lord please break that down for me. And where you get GaY from lol isn't his name Ga briel (Gah) like Kah. You crazy. |
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Post by 1dell on Jul 12, 2004 8:35:45 GMT -5
You posted this around 6:38 pm. Thats well after you get off work. I think the only Spirit involved in this post of yours was the Vodka, henessy and some tangeray. Dude, how on earph you come up with this? G'bri'al in Ebry is not even pronounced Gabriel, so where you getting Gay from? You need to stop knockin them bottles back before you post because you mess around and blaspheme the Word. Unless of Course this is some ICUPK teaching, then I'll be forced to psick Zeb on you. She [holy ghost] is gabrielle. Then again many think gabriel is a dude which would make him gay briel the trans-sexual who translates worshippers of G-d And would also explain how a femi9 aspect of G-d could enter in a female name Mary cause come to think about it, that is GAY . Hmmm... To much sodom and gomorrah doctrine up in chere |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jul 12, 2004 8:49:13 GMT -5
MUHAHAHAH!!  . I prefer madawg 100 proof!!  You posted this around 6:38 pm. Thats well after you get off work. I think the only Spirit involved in this post of yours was the Vodka, henessy and some tangeray. Dude, how on earph you come up with this? G'bri'al in Ebry is not even pronounced Gabriel, so where you getting Gay from? You need to stop knockin them bottles back before you post because you mess around and blaspheme the Word. Unless of Course this is some ICUPK teaching, then I'll be forced to psick Zeb on you. |
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Post by 1dell on Jul 12, 2004 8:55:13 GMT -5
You make a good point that I have never considered bro. The thing is it's unlawful to Blaspheme and any crime will have it's punishment. Blaspheming God was instant death: 1Ki 21:10 And set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And [then] carry him out, and stone him, that he may die. Now in comparision to the verse in Mark: Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Blaspheming the Holy Spirit one will not be pardoned i.e. is guiltless and is IN DANGER of eternal condemnation for it. My only explaination for now is that IHaWaH is a physical entity a physical being represented as God but the TRUE source is the Holy Spirit who IS Life and within in all Life a portion of Him animates them, even God. The Holy Spirit is the Life upon which even God himself depends. The breath that causes all life to exist. If HE is blasphemed who is there left to redeem you? Blaspheming God will get you physical Death God being physical himself: Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw [them], he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Gen 18:3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
Gen 18:4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: the blaspheme of the physical entity will land you the end of your physical existance. , Blaspheming the Ruakh HaQ'desh and your verdict will be an eternal death to the very fibratic signature of your being which is your spirit which lives eternally. Because the Ruakh HaQ'desh is the God of the spiritual dimension: Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth. I know this may seem like a trinity doctrinal teaching but I believe that the Godhead is divided into moor compartments than just three. The bible doesn't even teach that there is a trinity or else how can they explain this: Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.? I have moor but I will wait to get some feedback first 1dell I cant argue with that. I was raised in a pentecostal environment COGIC, etc. and yes the devil got the blame for anything bad. Sumthin' good it was"thank you Jesus". Only know do I see sum Christians realizing that when bad things it could very well be the Holy Spirit tryin' to get their attention. But asb for those old-school church folks forget about it. Thing that gets me is that Jesus seems to say you can DO ANYTHING blasphemous except attribute works of the Holy Spirit to the devil. You can blaspheme God, the prophets, Jesus himself, but not the Holy Spirit. Thats what Im trying to overstand here most of all. 1dell you was a deacon? |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jul 12, 2004 9:09:18 GMT -5
Its hard for me to express in simplicity how my mind sorts out spiritual mechanics because of prejudices and pre-conceptions and adamant religious beliefs I encounter. My mind ZigZagZigs when I process spiritual principles, verses and writs I come across in holy writings. The entire bible is layed out this way. Look at a car's engine. it has many components. There are dangerous parts when left to themselves and there are weak subtle parts when left to themselves. However all working in unison to get the car to run. Its the same universal law we find in the bible. The bible is a car or chariot or Mekahvah which if we get our mind to conform to we can drive our thoughts ever so god-ward. The concept of homosexuality is part of humanity and has a function [ref., gen 19]. The function is to bring an end to an epoch or age. The holy ghost serves the same purpose. Its not a coincidence while the world is at the brink of annihilation with the iraq and terrorism situation and sure enuf the hottest topic in americana is GAY MARRIAGE! OMG! GAYS MARRY!! Uhhhh see a connection ? Try again , GAYYYY and MARY or GAbriel and Mary . Get it ? Anyhow... I could go into the details and elucidate exactly how the holy ghost is based on the law of Sodom but I'd rather refrain from doing so. I do however drop some tid bits - [ gabriel -> Gay <-- briel ], using the law of sound called psonix to decode some of the hidden mysteries. But thats all good. The tid bit is suppose to trigger or cue you on to expand your mind; a thought provocateur. If its for ya so be it! if not, so be it! Lord please break that down for me. And where you get GaY from lol isn't his name Ga briel (Gah) like Kah. You crazy. |
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